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My apologies if I came off rude or defensive. That was not my intention. I honestly assumed what I said about Zenlensky's rhetoric throughout this war was common knowledge to all participating in this discussion..

I have been following the politics of this war very closely because I am trying very hard to understand the how and why this particular war at this particular point in time is such a severe existential threat to the U.S. as opposed to the many other existential threats the U.S. has faced or currently faces that does not garner the same financial and military commitment.

I have said many times that I also admire the Ukrainian people, and I feel for their human suffering. I have no issue with providing our fair share of humanitarian and LIMITED defensive support for the Ukrainian army. However, as much as I would like to be, I am just not on board with the explanation (or lack thereof) that has been provided by the U.S. government to this point to justify the level of our current or escalated involvement.

I have no doubt Zelensky is a brave Ukrainian patriot acting in his own countries best interest. However, the fact that he is willing to do or say anything to garner stronger military support is irresponsible and very dangerous in my opinion.
Zelensky doesn’t even matter. There are much larger geopolitical issues going on in this conflict. It’s too easy to get caught up in personalities like Zelensky, Trump, Biden, Putin, etc… I could care less what Zelensky says while trying to get all the help he can get. Look at the big picture, please.
 
@1dirthawker you and I are friends and we definitely generally agree on almost everything we have ever discussed in person and on this site. However, I think you and most people are understandingly not completely informed about the DEEP involvement of the USA around the world in every region.
Scott,

i would 100% agree, i am NOT completely informed about all things we do in the world. alistair, above corrected some of my commentary, and rightly so i believe. i just didn't want to get into a long drawn out explanation of my relative naive thoughts.

i know that we "give" things to other nations because our leaders (some of which are totally wrong) for our best national interests. my basic point was that the USA as a nation is pretty generous and other nations... not so much.

back to my comment on ukraine, i just find it funny that the nations most impacted seem less concerned about the war close to them than we do a continent away. i know there are all kinds of machinations regarding some of this and was not trying to set the world on fire with my superior intellect or analyzation of the situation over there. mostly trying to be funny with a smirk and an observation from my rather simplistic view of some of the "crisis" we get involved in.

hope your guide season went well,

Don
 
Scott,

i would 100% agree, i am NOT completely informed about all things we do in the world. alistair, above corrected some of my commentary, and rightly so i believe. i just didn't want to get into a long drawn out explanation of my relative naive thoughts.

i know that we "give" things to other nations because our leaders (some of which are totally wrong) for our best national interests. my basic point was that the USA as a nation is pretty generous and other nations... not so much.

back to my comment on ukraine, i just find it funny that the nations most impacted seem less concerned about the war close to them than we do a continent away. i know there are all kinds of machinations regarding some of this and was not trying to set the world on fire with my superior intellect or analyzation of the situation over there. mostly trying to be funny with a smirk and an observation from my rather simplistic view of some of the "crisis" we get involved in.

hope your guide season went well,

Don
Don,

I agree that it’s definitely frustrating that we always have to do the heavy lifting while others do the minimum or less than they should and then, furthermore, sit back and critique us. Very frustrating, but we are still left with the job to do in the end.
 
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Scott,

i would 100% agree, i am NOT completely informed about all things we do in the world. alistair, above corrected some of my commentary, and rightly so i believe. i just didn't want to get into a long drawn out explanation of my relative naive thoughts.

i know that we "give" things to other nations because our leaders (some of which are totally wrong) for our best national interests. my basic point was that the USA as a nation is pretty generous and other nations... not so much.

back to my comment on ukraine, i just find it funny that the nations most impacted seem less concerned about the war close to them than we do a continent away. i know there are all kinds of machinations regarding some of this and was not trying to set the world on fire with my superior intellect or analyzation of the situation over there. mostly trying to be funny with a smirk and an observation from my rather simplistic view of some of the "crisis" we get involved in.

hope your guide season went well,

Don
I Think you will find they are " pretty concerned " at what's happening on their doorstep....
 
@1dirthawker you and I are friends and we definitely generally agree on almost everything we have ever discussed in person and on this site. However, I think you and most people are understandingly not completely informed about the DEEP involvement of the USA around the world in every region. In addition, it is this deep involvement that keeps the world a semi-safe place and keeps the USA homeland and its citizens so insulated and naive of the real threats. I have known about our deep involvement that occurs about everywhere in the world but my eyes have definitely been opened even more by a close friend.

This friend and employee was recently medically retired from the US military (shrapnel from an RPG) and retired as the most senior enlisted man from one of the special operation groups in JSOC. He was forced to retire after scoring an 87 on a combined mental and physical test where a 90 is required. Due to his injuries, his physical scores dropped too much. His resume is astonishing. He was an operator, team leader, instructor, ran the sniper school (his longest confirmed kill was at 2600 and change meters) for a time and was General Kelly’s highest ranking enlisted man in Afghanistan. Over his 21-year career in JSCO, he was deployed throughout South America, Eastern Europe, Iraq, and Afghanistan. There are several JSOC groups and each group covers a different part of the globe.

What the general population of the USA, and for that matter, the world, doesn’t understand is the DEEP involvement of JSOC in keeping the world a livable place for the rest of us. There are many dozens of countries who ask for our help, off the record, and we have teams operating across the globe, daily. These teams are in direct contact with enemies or if not, are training the operators of these other countries to deal with enemies, drug cartels and terrorists. If you think 911 was bad, just know that many, many groups are out there around the world trying to start the same types of things. I am a firm believer that without the JSOC operations that stifle potentially much larger problems, the “regular army” such as where @Red Leg served, would have a lot more work to do and be involved in even more large geopolitical conflicts, such as Ukraine.

The amazing artillery and advanced conventional weaponry that @Red Leg describes so eloquently are astounding to me. In addition, JSOC operators have smaller tools that even the regular army infantry troops are not allowed to use. Without knowing the specifics of these tools, I know they can jam cell communications, shut down electrical grids, send pulses that blow up IEDs buried in roads and other tools can see inside buildings.

It is naive to believe that we can just pull away from our responsibilities unless we want the entire western world to devolve into the third world. This is an unfortunate FACT. Russian aggression is just one of several problems we need to keep in check, regardless of Europe's weakness and feigned inability to do it without us. If you want your grandkids to have some sense of insulated, safe “normalcy”, we, unfortunately, have a distasteful job to do. This job is being done daily, even though most people are clueless and uniformed of the evil in this world.

Just my little example of how I viewed the "bubble wrapped" usa populations thinking ....I found it very strange at the basically non existent security checks at airports in USA when I started flying there to sci in 1990 onwards, and for other trips....we in Europe had been used to security searches from ....can't even remember...but way way back....(as various factions were blowing up cars..people..buildings..hijacking planes in different parts of Europe and uk)...as said found it strange but was not complaining....then after 911 I flew in and national guard standing all over , and heavy police presence...and now you had proper security searching.....but problem was I could see in some of those faces was the fact they looked like they were itching to shoot someone..( one time was not long after someone jumped out of the security queue and ran.....now ...my cynical thought was welcome to the real world......
 
@1dirthawker you and I are friends and we definitely generally agree on almost everything we have ever discussed in person and on this site. However, I think you and most people are understandingly not completely informed about the DEEP involvement of the USA around the world in every region. In addition, it is this deep involvement that keeps the world a semi-safe place and keeps the USA homeland and its citizens so insulated and naive of the real threats. I have known about our deep involvement that occurs about everywhere in the world but my eyes have definitely been opened even more by a close friend.

This friend and employee was recently medically retired from the US military (shrapnel from an RPG) and retired as the most senior enlisted man from one of the special operation groups in JSOC. He was forced to retire after scoring an 87 on a combined mental and physical test where a 90 is required. Due to his injuries, his physical scores dropped too much. His resume is astonishing. He was an operator, team leader, instructor, ran the sniper school (his longest confirmed kill was at 2600 and change meters) for a time and was General Kelly’s highest ranking enlisted man in Afghanistan. Over his 21-year career in JSCO, he was deployed throughout South America, Eastern Europe, Iraq, and Afghanistan. There are several JSOC groups and each group covers a different part of the globe.

What the general population of the USA, and for that matter, the world, doesn’t understand is the DEEP involvement of JSOC in keeping the world a livable place for the rest of us. There are many dozens of countries who ask for our help, off the record, and we have teams operating across the globe, daily. These teams are in direct contact with enemies or if not, are training the operators of these other countries to deal with enemies, drug cartels and terrorists. If you think 911 was bad, just know that many, many groups are out there around the world trying to start the same types of things. I am a firm believer that without the JSOC operations that stifle potentially much larger problems, the “regular army” such as where @Red Leg served, would have a lot more work to do and be involved in even more large geopolitical conflicts, such as Ukraine.

The amazing artillery and advanced conventional weaponry that @Red Leg describes so eloquently are astounding to me. In addition, JSOC operators have smaller tools that even the regular army infantry troops are not allowed to use. Without knowing the specifics of these tools, I know they can jam cell communications, shut down electrical grids, send pulses that blow up IEDs buried in roads and other tools can see inside buildings.

It is naive to believe that we can just pull away from our responsibilities unless we want the entire western world to devolve into the third world. This is an unfortunate FACT. Russian aggression is just one of several problems we need to keep in check, regardless of Europe's weakness and feigned inability to do it without us. If you want your grandkids to have some sense of insulated, safe “normalcy”, we, unfortunately, have a distasteful job to do. This job is being done daily, even though most people are clueless and uniformed of the evil in this world.

Well at least we can sleep soundly knowing the border is secure…….:Bored:
 
Just my little example of how I viewed the "bubble wrapped" usa populations thinking ....I found it very strange at the basically non existent security checks at airports in USA when I started flying there to sci in 1990 onwards, and for other trips....we in Europe had been used to security searches from ....can't even remember...but way way back....(as various factions were blowing up cars..people..buildings..hijacking planes in different parts of Europe and uk)...as said found it strange but was not complaining....then after 911 I flew in and national guard standing all over , and heavy police presence...and now you had proper security searching.....but problem was I could see in some of those faces was the fact they looked like they were itching to shoot someone..( one time was not long after someone jumped out of the security queue and ran.....now ...my cynical thought was welcome to the real world......

My bubble wrap fell apart as a kid visiting Belfast in the 70’s and 80’s.
 
Well at least we can sleep soundly knowing the border is secure…….:Bored:
It wouldn’t take much if allowed! I guess I was under the impression that the military should be tasked with our national border security, like in most other countries! But no, I guess our military can only be used overseas or if invaded by conventional armies?? Why?
 
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Good thing we’ve got all these Jason Bournes running around or we’d be toast……….
Well that’s the Hollywood CIA, not JSOC operators. But I know you’re joking.
 
Well that’s the Hollywood CIA, not JSOC operators. But I know you’re joking.
We do it because we are the only ones who can and will. Granted, there are some pretty good operators in other countries but they fall short of the USA.
 
Just my little example of how I viewed the "bubble wrapped" usa populations thinking ....I found it very strange at the basically non existent security checks at airports in USA when I started flying there to sci in 1990 onwards, and for other trips....we in Europe had been used to security searches from ....can't even remember...but way way back....(as various factions were blowing up cars..people..buildings..hijacking planes in different parts of Europe and uk)...as said found it strange but was not complaining....then after 911 I flew in and national guard standing all over , and heavy police presence...and now you had proper security searching.....but problem was I could see in some of those faces was the fact they looked like they were itching to shoot someone..( one time was not long after someone jumped out of the security queue and ran.....now ...my cynical thought was welcome to the real world......
I respectfully disagree. 9/11 was caused mainly by a populace trained to be sheep like. “Don’t confront a terrorist, just let them make thier demands and everything will be fine”. F that. Make them eat their box cutters and throw them from the plane.

Those security checks don’t do crap except make stupid people feel safe. One person can down a plane with the drinks cart if no one‘s going to stop them.

Mind set is everything. Mandatory consumption of bacon at check-in isn’t a bad idea either.

The missing ingredient to living in a safe and civilized world is putting bad people in the ground. Instead we let them multiply, which leads to obvious results.
 
Yeah, I guess he's shacked-up in some donor's $20Million estate. In-kind contribution that Bidet should clam as income, along with the other bribes/kick-backs.
 
It wouldn’t take much if allowed! I guess I was under the impression that the military should be tasked with our national border security, like in most other countries! But no, I guess our military can only be used overseas or if invaded by conventional armies?? Why?
Our National Guard is supposed to be tasked with border defense as I recall, as the use of a standing army on our soil is forbade unless we are invaded. The better question is why National Guard troops were deployed to fight on foreign soil like Irag and Afghanistan? I've never understood this. This might be a question best asked of @Red Leg
 

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