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Wonder if Macron will think twice before insulting Italy and Meloni again.

The Davos/Brussels crowd can't be happy.:cool:

 
Wonder if Macron will think twice before insulting Italy and Meloni again.

The Davos/Brussels crowd can't be happy.:cool:


I think I like her. The spread of nationalism in Europe likely spells the end of the EU. The bureaucrats in Brussels are about to learn a hard lesson on the consequences of overreach.
 
I think I like her. The spread of nationalism in Europe likely spells the end of the EU. The bureaucrats in Brussels are about to learn a hard lesson on the consequences of overreach.

Sadly its taken 30 years for the proverbial chickens to even begin to think about coming home to roost..

I am hopeful Brexit and some of the other things going on in Europe serve as an eye opener for the Brussels Bureaucrats..

But I fear that European bureaucrats arent much different than American bureaucrats.. blind, self serving, and incredibly resilient... capable of surviving and even thriving at the expense and detriment of others..
 
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@Red Leg I’ve been talking to some people and the consensus seems to be that the raid on Nordstream 1&2 was executed by the US or Europe, or most likely by the US with private agreement of Europe.

They played out the game and at no point did it make sense for Russia to be the perpetrator.

This would also be the reason why the markets had a lacklustre response to this event.

If true (and proven), and this winter presents itself as cold with people freezing in their homes, the lash back in Europe against the national governments could be severe.
 
Doesn't Europe have coal plants as well as nuclear that can be brought back on-line?
 
@Red Leg I’ve been talking to some people and the consensus seems to be that the raid on Nordstream 1&2 was executed by the US or Europe, or most likely by the US with private agreement of Europe.

They played out the game and at no point did it make sense for Russia to be the perpetrator.

This would also be the reason why the markets had a lacklustre response to this event.

If true (and proven), and this winter presents itself as cold with people freezing in their homes, the lash back in Europe against the national governments could be severe.
Money from Nordstream1/2 is a hell of a bargaining chip if persuading people to over throw Putin. Destroying that quick source of cash might keep a couple key players in their seat.

I don't know or care who hit the pipes, but I wouldn't suggest there is no possible benefit to Putin.
 
I think I like her. The spread of nationalism in Europe likely spells the end of the EU. The bureaucrats in Brussels are about to learn a hard lesson on the consequences of overreach.

Agree. Poland and Hungary stayed pretty based. Maybe parts of eastern Europe did as well. Sweden, Italy both seem to be rejecting wokeism/globalism/socialism/new world orderism/etc. Wouldn't be surprised if it catches on fast. Hopefully the wildfire gets to our shores by November!
 
Doesn't Europe have coal plants as well as nuclear that can be brought back on-line?

If mothballed, they may not be able to be brought online in time to help this winter.
 
@Red Leg I’ve been talking to some people and the consensus seems to be that the raid on Nordstream 1&2 was executed by the US or Europe, or most likely by the US with private agreement of Europe.

They played out the game and at no point did it make sense for Russia to be the perpetrator.

This would also be the reason why the markets had a lacklustre response to this event.

If true (and proven), and this winter presents itself as cold with people freezing in their homes, the lash back in Europe against the national governments could be severe.

Who has the most to gain with Nordstream going offline.

This winter will be difficult for the citizens of many European countries. Politicians will be pushed to drop sanctions against Russia so the gas can be turned back on. If the pipelines are destroyed, the politicians may be less likely to drop sanctions since it won't matter. Who benefits, Ukraine, EU(not the individual countries), USA(at least according to Biden), Greenies, etc.

On the other hand, you would think a couple of pipe laying ships and a few bright engineers would figure a way to get both pipes back online within a month or two.
 
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This would also be the reason why the markets had a lacklustre response to this event.
I don't get the connection here. Is the popular theory that investors around the world somehow know the truth and are comfortable with the idea of the USA sabotaging the pipeline?

I still favor the alien experiment idea. It seems to fit with the way things have been over the last few years. Explains it all actually.
 
@Red Leg I’ve been talking to some people and the consensus seems to be that the raid on Nordstream 1&2 was executed by the US or Europe, or most likely by the US with private agreement of Europe.

They played out the game and at no point did it make sense for Russia to be the perpetrator.

This would also be the reason why the markets had a lacklustre response to this event.

If true (and proven), and this winter presents itself as cold with people freezing in their homes, the lash back in Europe against the national governments could be severe.
Would love to discuss this with these people. There is no way that enough politicians and leaders of the financial sector could have been aware of this without it immediately leaking. The loonies and Tucker are having a field day, but serious commentators aren't coming to that conclusion. And I am fairly certain every news agency in the West didn't sign a non-disclosure agreement.

The consensus among those people whom I know and with whom I dialogue is that was another Russian miscalculation. Severing the pipelines was anticipated to cause an enormous outburst of anger against the pro-Ukrainian governments in NATO. Obviously it has not occurred. It would also be an implicit threat against other trans national lines and disarm, to some extent, anti-war elements in the Kremlin.

Secondly, this really isn't our style. Use the CIA or the military to overthrow an unfriendly government - sure. But to take an action like this which could rip apart NATO? I would have to see absolute proof.

More importantly, there was no need from the US perspective. The gas was already shut off. Europe was successfully garnering adequate supplies. No European government was truly threatened by an anti-Ukraine movement with the possible exception of Germany.

Finally, the economic argument (proposed in a couple of other posts) is ridiculous. Every cubic millimeter of US natural gas is sold - months, even years in the future. We can rest assured there are no plans to increase that production for some little while. Hence there is no market for a surge in US natural gas because there will not be one.

I am leaning more toward the Russians. Second would be Germany. Third would be aliens. US is a distant fourth.

For your evening entertainment, a bit of schadenfreude from my favorite Russian propogandist. If those darn troops would just fight according to regulations.

 
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Third would be aliens.
Who are we talking about here:
1. Those being from outside our solar system that have an undersea community in the Bermuda Triangle
2. Those that have entered the USA illegally via the Mexican border
3. Those that have entered Europe having emigrated from Mid-East countries
4, None of the above
 
Who are we talking about here:
1. Those being from outside our solar system that have an undersea community in the Bermuda Triangle
2. Those that have entered the USA illegally via the Mexican border
3. Those that have entered Europe having emigrated from Mid-East countries
4, None of the above
Tune in next Tuesday to find out:
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Would love to discuss this with these people. There is no way that enough politicians and leaders of the financial sector could have been aware of this without it immediately leaking. The loonies and Tucker are having a field day, but serious commentators aren't coming to that conclusion. And I am fairly certain every news agency in the West didn't sign a non-disclosure agreement.

The consensus among those people whom I know and with whom I dialogue is that was another Russian miscalculation. Severing the pipelines was anticipated to cause an enormous outburst of anger against the pro-Ukrainian governments in NATO. Obviously it has not occurred. It would also be an implicit threat against other trans national lines and disarm, to some extent, anti-war elements in the Kremlin.

Secondly, this really isn't our style. Use the CIA or the military to overthrow an unfriendly government - sure. But to take an action like this which could rip apart NATO? I would have to see absolute proof.

More importantly, there was no need from the US perspective. The gas was already shut off. Europe was successfully garnering adequate supplies. No European government was truly threatened by an anti-Ukraine movement with the possible exception of Germany.

Finally, the economic argument (proposed in a couple of other posts) is ridiculous. Every cubic millimeter of US natural gas is sold - months, even years in the future. We can rest assured there are no plans to increase that production for some little while. Hence there is no market for a surge in US natural gas because there will not be one.

I am leaning more toward the Russians. Second would be Germany. Third would be aliens. US is a distant fourth.

For your evening entertainment, a bit of schadenfreude from my favorite Russian propogandist. If those darn troops would just fight according to regulations.

My father had a saying about these types of people and used on me more than a few times (the Russian). They're suffering from delusions of grandeur.
 

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