Politics

[Newboomer]

I'd be quite shocked if we knew any of the truth at all.

To quote an expresident,"We'll tell you what we want you to know." Therein lies the truth---that we will never know.

 

[Ray B]

And as far as if/when shooting starts another quote will guide the media: Tell'em we're at war and who the enemy is; ......then tell'em who won.

 

[Vashper]

Tourists will be closed the entrance to the Chernobyl exclusion zone for an indefinite period, said the head of the Association of Chernobyl Tour Operators Yaroslav Emelianenko.

"We have just been informed that since February 19, the Chernobyl zone has been closed for tourist visits for an indefinite period. The official reason is announced as "technical reasons," RIA Novosti quotes Emelianenko.

He added that this may be due to "the threat of Russian aggression and the proximity of the border with Belarus."

 

[Vashper]

We will never know the entire truth. It will be a human tragedy in any case.

WAB, I've been watching politics for a long time. This is a sad experience (I assure you, everything in all countries is the same). For political activity, even the most basic, funding is needed. To publish a note about a person in a little-known Internet resource, thousands of dollars are needed: "Rapper So-and-so found a spider in a salad at lunch on board an airline plane." The editor-in-chief sits with his hands in his hair and thinks whether to publish this bullshit. But employees have to pay salaries... Political notes are more expensive. And the formation of the agenda is more expensive by orders of magnitude, this is the most expensive. Where does the money come from? And, most importantly, why are they being paid by someone? Why is there a heart-rending cry about the events in Wakanda in the media, but no one writes about what is happening in Bakanga (and the same thing is happening there, if not worse)? In my opinion, you are at a turning point now - you will learn a lot of interesting things about yourself from the mainstream media. There will probably be some conclusions from this.

 

[VertigoBE]

It is very surprising to hear that after Russia (claimed to have) pulled back troops from their excercises, back to their camps, that they claim to de-escalate, that fighting in the Donetsk front line suddenly erupts again... Perhaps the Kiev government does not like this removal of tensions, as it means they are no longer of importance.

From my point of view, this looks like Kiev (maybe under influence of the US) trying to force Russia's hand to get involved militarily. If Russia takes the bait so to speak, Kiev and the US will be able to point their fingers and say "I told you so".

Next step is Russia providing support for the evacuees, and perhaps some military materiel in order to support the Luhansk/Donetsk fighters (I do not want to call them rebels, due to the connotation, although they are rebelling against Kiev). The West will try to "prove" that this constitutes military involvement by Russia. And then all bets are off.

 

[Newboomer]

I think the US should stay out of it instead of fomenting hostilities. But with those frigging idiots in the white house and congress, who knows? I'm just waiting for one of them to come up with some assinine brainfart and the whole situation will go to hell in a handbasket. The last thing we need is entanglement in a shooting war in Europe, regardless of who's shooting at who.

 

[WAB]

We had real leaders in the world when the wall came down. What I wouldn’t do to have those players back, on all sides. Instead we have a poor imitation of the three stooges.

 

[Wheels]

First they came for the truckers..........

 

[meigsbucks]

yeah I know, I thought it was so ridiculous in that everything she said is happening now but it's her own party. What really kills me is the unreasonableness and unwillingness to see it for what it is so deeply that they believe their own nonsense and with such conviction that are showing their desperation. She's just an idiot...but she's an idiot they listen to which makes her dangerous.

Scary thing… she could run for POTUS in ‘24. She’ll turn 35 in Oct ‘24.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Tourists will be closed the entrance to the Chernobyl exclusion zone for an indefinite period, said the head of the Association of Chernobyl Tour Operators Yaroslav Emelianenko.

"We have just been informed that since February 19, the Chernobyl zone has been closed for tourist visits for an indefinite period. The official reason is announced as "technical reasons," RIA Novosti quotes Emelianenko.

He added that this may be due to "the threat of Russian aggression and the proximity of the border with Belarus."

Damn, I was hoping to have an extended vacation at Chernobyl this year. I was looking forward to seeing the animal mutations flourishing in the area. I guess the wild irradiated pigs are everywhere. Can’t see those in Africa? Maybe the Fukushima, Japan area is open for visitors? If not, guess I’ll have to just continue on to Africa and see all the boring animals there. LOL

 

[Newboomer]

We had real leaders in the world when the wall came down. What I wouldn’t do to have those players back, on all sides. Instead we have a poor imitation of the three stooges.

So true. The "leaders"on the world stage today make the Three Stooges look like geniuses.

 

[CoElkHunter]

So true. The "leaders"on the world stage today make the Three Stooges look like geniuses.

And if the leaders start nose hooking and slapping each other in the back of the head, we’re really going to be in trouble!

 

[Vashper]

It is very surprising to hear that after Russia (claimed to have) pulled back troops from their excercises, back to their camps, that they claim to de-escalate, that fighting in the Donetsk front line suddenly erupts again... Perhaps the Kiev government does not like this removal of tensions, as it means they are no longer of importance.

From my point of view, this looks like Kiev (maybe under influence of the US) trying to force Russia's hand to get involved militarily. If Russia takes the bait so to speak, Kiev and the US will be able to point their fingers and say "I told you so".

Next step is Russia providing support for the evacuees, and perhaps some military materiel in order to support the Luhansk/Donetsk fighters (I do not want to call them rebels, due to the connotation, although they are rebelling against Kiev). The West will try to "prove" that this constitutes military involvement by Russia. And then all bets are off.

That's about how it was in 2008. Then Saakashvili tried to resolve the issue with Ossetia - on the first day of the Olympics. And almost captured the entire territory, except for a few pockets of resistance. Then the Russian troops came up.
Now the scale is different. In Ossetia, the demarcation line was controlled by Russian peacekeepers - now they are not on the front line. There was an aggravation back in the fall: shelling intensified, conscription for women was introduced in Ukraine. Troops are drawn to the front line (not to the Russian border). Therefore, the exercises looked like a reaction to an aggravation. And Putin promised that in the event of an offensive by Ukraine, he would intervene. But it is too expensive to conduct exercises for a long time.
I do not know what is happening now. Either it's pumping up the tension, or something real. Zelensky doesn't want war, but he's not fully in control. His opponent Poroshenko returned to the country, Zelensky ordered to arrest him, but no one followed his orders.

 

[PARA45]

 

[Vashper]

Damn, I was hoping to have an extended vacation at Chernobyl this year. I was looking forward to seeing the animal mutations flourishing in the area. I guess the wild irradiated pigs are everywhere. Can’t see those in Africa? Maybe the Fukushima, Japan area is open for visitors? If not, guess I’ll have to just continue on to Africa and see all the boring animals there. LOL

Yes, it would be a funny trip

 

[Alistair]

Damn, I was hoping to have an extended vacation at Chernobyl this year. I was looking forward to seeing the animal mutations flourishing in the area. I guess the wild irradiated pigs are everywhere. Can’t see those in Africa? Maybe the Fukushima, Japan area is open for visitors? If not, guess I’ll have to just continue on to Africa and see all the boring animals there. LOL

You mock, but it is a fascinating place.

I visited in 2019. You get only an hour or so in the hot zone and a whole lot of disclaimers to sign, but it's an interesting and eerie experience. One that makes you think too. A monument to both the technology of the cold war, the hubris of the leaders (on both sides honestly) and the poor ordinary folks who live with the consequences.

Slightly more radiation over the visit than a typical x ray, but nothing awful, although I'd absolutely not live there longer term.

I should also recommend the Sky miniseries 'Chernobyl'. A good little primer into the events that happened which whilst carrying a degree of bias is still tastefully and sympathetically done.

 

[oldfart009]

I think the US should stay out of it instead of fomenting hostilities. But with those frigging idiots in the white house and congress, who knows? I'm just waiting for one of them to come up with some assinine brainfart and the whole situation will go to hell in a handbasket. The last thing we need is entanglement in a shooting war in Europe, regardless of who's shooting at who.

Maybe Dc politicians plan to send their own kids to fight the war they are stirring up

 

[Wheels]

Extremely sad. Perhaps this is the turning point.

 

[CoElkHunter]

You mock, but it is a fascinating place.

I visited in 2019. You get only an hour or so in the hot zone and a whole lot of disclaimers to sign, but it's an interesting and eerie experience. One that makes you think too. A monument to both the technology of the cold war, the hubris of the leaders (on both sides honestly) and the poor ordinary folks who live with the consequences.

Slightly more radiation over the visit than a typical x ray, but nothing awful, although I'd absolutely not live there longer term.

I should also recommend the Sky miniseries 'Chernobyl'. A good little primer into the events that happened which whilst carrying a degree of bias is still tastefully and sympathetically done.

I’m sure it’s a very interesting place to visit. Especially for the history which I really like. I was being a little facetious. Only so much time to vacation and only so many funds for the vacations. Like SO MANY historical places I would love to visit, many will have to suffice my interests through documentaries or travel shows. That’s OK though. We all have to pick and choose?

 

[Wheels]