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There has to be a better way. We can put a man on the moon, send an unmanned robot to Mars. But we can't count votes, or prevent fraud. Sickening.
 
There has to be a better way. We can put a man on the moon, send an unmanned robot to Mars. But we can't count votes, or prevent fraud. Sickening.

Greta had a great point.

If she can fly to the UE, decide she needs money, and instantly withdraw from her account, why can't we safely and securely cast and count votes?

There is only one reason, and it isn't voter suppression.
 
We can complain about presumed fraud all we want, but we have a far bigger problem in this country.

We need to be honest, that half our fellow citizens support the eviction of the bad orange man if not the election of Biden. That is a very real problem that the Republican party needs to figure out how to address. Setting aside the informed committed Marxists, fully half of our electorate has been successfully propagandized by the MSM and social media. Goebbels' famous quote is even more applicable today than it was nearly 80 years ago.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Today, the "Lie" is the "Story." Whether it is the evil racist in the White House, our impending doom through Covid, or pending extinction through climate change, half of our fellow travelers are swallowing it without the least skepticism because alternative opinion and facts are censored in the name of the latest story.

We desperately need some original thought on how to shatter this monopoly on information.

Every election, we watch the slow metastization of the color blue ever farther across the electoral map. In just the last few decades Arizona, New Mexico, Virginia and Colorado became blue. Does anyone doubt that North Carolina or Georgia aren't right behind.

Somehow, the monopoly on information has to be broken - not by merely offering alternatives on the web, but by breaking through the MSM and social media monopolies on "facts." Otherwise, we will all too soon be completely subsumed by collective thought and behaviour.
 
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I suspect that you can add Texas to North Carolina and Georgia in the not too distant future. In the past, in a county election map of Texas the only blue county in Central Texas was Travis, where Austin is. Now Hays and Williamson, where I live, are blue. Williamson was once one of the most conservative counties in the state. A most concerning trend.
 
Will the pendulum swing the other way? I think it will but not in my lifetime. The youngsters of today, even the educated ones, will eventually realize there is no free lunch.
 
I suspect that you can add Texas to North Carolina and Georgia in the not too distant future. In the past, in a county election map of Texas the only blue county in Central Texas was Travis, where Austin is. Now Hays and Williamson, where I live, are blue. Williamson was once one of the most conservative counties in the state. A most concerning trend.
Right there with you on Highway 29. It has shaded blue just in the seven years we have been here.
 
We can complain about presumed fraud all we want, but we have a far bigger problem in this country.

We need to be honest, that half our fellow citizens support the eviction of the bad orange man if not the election of Biden. That is a very real problem that the Republican party needs to figure out how to address. Setting aside the informed committed Marxists, fully half of our electorate has been successfully propagandized by the MSM and social media. Goebbels' famous quote is even more applicable today than it was nearly 80 years ago.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Today, the "Lie" is the "Story." Whether it is the evil racist in the White House, our impending doom through Covid, or pending extinction through climate change, half of our fellow travelers are swallowing it without the least skepticism because alternative opinion and facts are censored in the name of the latest story.

We desperately need some original thought on how to shatter this monopoly on information.

Every election, we watch the slow metastization of the color blue ever farther across the electoral map. In just the last few decades Arizona, New Mexico, Virginia and Colorado became blue. Does anyone doubt that North Carolina or Georgia aren't right behind.

Somehow, the monopoly on information has to be broken - not by merely offering alternatives on the web, but by breaking through the MSM and social media monopolies on "facts." Otherwise, we will all too soon be completely subsumed by collective thought and behaviour.


Agree here totally.

And honestly, I don't yet know if fraud played a role, or not. It's silly however; that the possibility is even in the equation. That possibility needs to be removed so we can focus on what's important as a country.
 
Looked at the in person vote tally in Biden's home state of Delaware. HE LOST! The absentee ballot charade put him over the top. They're still counting in Philly. What a sham.
 
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We can complain about presumed fraud all we want, but we have a far bigger problem in this country.

We need to be honest, that half our fellow citizens support the eviction of the bad orange man if not the election of Biden. That is a very real problem that the Republican party needs to figure out how to address. Setting aside the informed committed Marxists, fully half of our electorate has been successfully propagandized by the MSM and social media. Goebbels' famous quote is even more applicable today than it was nearly 80 years ago.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Today, the "Lie" is the "Story." Whether it is the evil racist in the White House, our impending doom through Covid, or pending extinction through climate change, half of our fellow travelers are swallowing it without the least skepticism because alternative opinion and facts are censored in the name of the latest story.

We desperately need some original thought on how to shatter this monopoly on information.

Every election, we watch the slow metastization of the color blue ever farther across the electoral map. In just the last few decades Arizona, New Mexico, Virginia and Colorado became blue. Does anyone doubt that North Carolina or Georgia aren't right behind.

Somehow, the monopoly on information has to be broken - not by merely offering alternatives on the web, but by breaking through the MSM and social media monopolies on "facts." Otherwise, we will all too soon be completely subsumed by collective thought and behaviour.


Not sure this fits the bill, but PragerU is an interesting website with a lot of good content. They do however have a really creepy commercial that airs on Fox News. All the people appear almost zombie like.

 
We can complain about presumed fraud all we want, but we have a far bigger problem in this country.

We need to be honest, that half our fellow citizens support the eviction of the bad orange man if not the election of Biden. That is a very real problem that the Republican party needs to figure out how to address. Setting aside the informed committed Marxists, fully half of our electorate has been successfully propagandized by the MSM and social media. Goebbels' famous quote is even more applicable today than it was nearly 80 years ago.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Today, the "Lie" is the "Story." Whether it is the evil racist in the White House, our impending doom through Covid, or pending extinction through climate change, half of our fellow travelers are swallowing it without the least skepticism because alternative opinion and facts are censored in the name of the latest story.

We desperately need some original thought on how to shatter this monopoly on information.

Every election, we watch the slow metastization of the color blue ever farther across the electoral map. In just the last few decades Arizona, New Mexico, Virginia and Colorado became blue. Does anyone doubt that North Carolina or Georgia aren't right behind.

Somehow, the monopoly on information has to be broken - not by merely offering alternatives on the web, but by breaking through the MSM and social media monopolies on "facts." Otherwise, we will all too soon be completely subsumed by collective thought and behaviour.

I would agree with you, but I also think the shift towards the democrats is caused by America's changing racial demographics. Look at these maps: https://brilliantmaps.com/if-only-x-voted/
Now it is true these are hypothetical maps and there are limitations on the effectiveness of such predictions as your last election and this one have shown. Obviously it would be ideal if we could get this information based off of how people actually voted. However assuming these maps have some truth to them it would appear that the Republican party and in particular Trump are very unpopular with non-white voters. This is surprising given that the 2 biggest non-white groups in America- Hispanics and Blacks tend to be religious and socially conservative- their values are more in line with Republicans. But they seem to overwhelming vote Democrat. Given that the % of America's population that is white is declining, the future seems to bode very Democrat and blue unless this issue is addressed.
 
A couple of points so that it is not all doom and gloom. Republicans will keep the Senate and gained in the house. In fact not a single incumbent republican lost in the house. Republicans did an amazing get out the vote, Trump has exceeded Hilary's total.

Also, look at New York state, many more counties turned Red and that gap is starting to narrow and is probably where Texas was 4 to 8 years ago.

Trump is setting up the Republican party to win the Hispanic vote (assuming republicans don't screw this up) - see Miami Dade and Texas border counties. Trump for all the racist BS, did 2.5x better than Romney with the African America vote.

I'm optimistic people are waking up!

Not Oregon though, they are kind of screwed.
 
I would agree with you, but I also think the shift towards the democrats is caused by America's changing racial demographics. Look at these maps: https://brilliantmaps.com/if-only-x-voted/
Now it is true these are hypothetical maps and there are limitations on the effectiveness of such predictions as your last election and this one have shown. Obviously it would be ideal if we could get this information based off of how people actually voted. However assuming these maps have some truth to them it would appear that the Republican party and in particular Trump are very unpopular with non-white voters. This is surprising given that the 2 biggest non-white groups in America- Hispanics and Blacks tend to be religious and socially conservative- their values are more in line with Republicans. But they seem to overwhelming vote Democrat. Given that the % of America's population that is white is declining, the future seems to bode very Democrat and blue unless this issue is addressed.
You are pointing out a very real issue in American politics. The Democrat party has successfully morphed from a post-Great Depression "workers party" to one made up of various grievance groups. Based on the racial numbers you are seeing, that seemed a smart strategy. The problem with that strategy is several fold, and has been exposed during the last two cycles.

First American blue-color workers may be a smaller set of the population, but they still vote. And many minorities view worker issues more importantly than racial ones. Trump broke through to that group. Secondly, though it has taken longer than many other ethnic or national immigrant groups (mainly due to the dual language issue), Hispanics are indeed accelerating their assimilation into the broader traditional "American" culture. Most believe in God, hard work, and family. More and more are waking up to discover they are actually conservatives. Asians, though often liberal due to their geographic locations, also make a lousy grievance group over time. You will be hard pressed to find them any more likely than Hispanics raising black flags in support of the BLM or Antifa mobs. On the other hand, you will find many Asians graduating from engineering and medical schools across the country.

If the Democrats aren't careful, and if Republicans, post Trump, can maintain a populist, love of country open tent, they will be left with only their young white socialist cohorts and the mob wanting to break things and get more free stuff. I can't see that as an enduring political strategy.
 
Living in Oregon.... It is quite a sad story. It's a beautiful state that has some decent hunting and a rural way of life in over 2/3 of the geographical area. However the place has gone to pot literally. The stench of marijuana and hemp is nauseating in September and October. The liberal shift started 30 years ago or more and now you can count on a 60 Dem to 40 Republican split on all statewide races. I checked and the dems retained their supermajority in the state house and senate. We can expect more B S to be shoved down our throats in the next two years.
 
I’ve had to unfortunately repeat this quote by William Durant several times over the past few years but rings very true:

“No great civilization has been conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within”.

Fortunately it appears that the GOP will keep the US Senate and picked up many seats in the House. If Biden/Harris does come out the victor (still hope it doesn’t happen), they will be basically a lame duck presidency and the House will go to the GOP in 2022 and a Republican will win back the presidency in 2024.
No, because of demographic changes and fraud, we've seen the last Republican president, ever.
 
I'm ready to leave the country but where to go? Canada, Australia, and New Zealand won't allow retirees in unless (maybe) you are rich.
 
Basically with all the shit with the chinese fkn arseholes virus that has fkd just about every country apart from china.....surprisingly enough.....and the rest of the bullshit closing down major industrial countries....I really dont understand why people are so surprised at this total fkup of an election.....never was into conspiracy....but when you read news ....government...useless POS aka UN..WHO....etc etc etc and other big organisations reading off the same script....yeah I am now one of them....rational logical people need to.get their act together
...simple....
 
I'm ready to leave the country but where to go? Canada, Australia, and New Zealand won't allow retirees in unless (maybe) you are rich.
If you really want to immigrate to Canada, it would help if you converted to Islam and had a sex change.
 
What about a double sex change? :)

Converting to Islam would be no problem. Christianity's universalist morality is the cause of much of our troubles.
 

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