Politics

[Tundra Tiger]

"... is little more than trying to appeal to Putin ego of legacy."

F**k Putin.

 

[Red Leg]

I see a lot about elections during war. Didn’t we have elections in 1944 WW2, 1952 Korea, 64,68 and 72 Vietnam, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016 Iraq and Afghanistan? Is it that these were not on our homeland or what?

The United States was not geographically affected by those wars. I posted this earlier.

So, let's put it in comparative terms. Imagine the United States under the same conditions. China has invaded the West Coast. We are engaged in a peer to peer ground war. China occupies 20% of the country and we are suffering roughly 4,000 - 5,000 casualties a day (proportional losses against our population vs Ukraine). Every major population center is under periodic conventional bombardment resulting in a couple of thousand civilian deaths a week. Power and water only work periodically across large swaths of the country. Two thirds of the population of California, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, and Nevada are refugees scattered through the remainder of the country. Our adversary has a population three times the size of ours to draw upon. It would impossible to hold an election in such conditions. We too, should we have the will and courage to continue to fight like the Ukrainians have, would be under martial law for the duration.

Also, Ukraine has a parliamentary system which allows far more flexibility in calling elections. For instance Britain did not hold a general election from 1935 to 1945 and even selected a new Prime Minister, Churchill, during that time without one.

 

[roverandbrew]

Fk he really talks real shit sometimes....and can't get his facts correct....

No he cannot and its truly an embarrassment. Many of us on the forum had the words quantifiable, measurable, accuracy, precise drilled into us when it comes to communication or explanation of an event. I am blown away how a 19 year old private can duck walk the company area an entire day for being slightly off on a pop quiz on the 5 types of rounds fired by 7.62 belt fed, but the commander in chief can straight up lie to the free world with impunity.

 

[roverandbrew]

Here is my question with regards to Ukraine. Z knew the Russians were building up on his boarder, the US knew the Russians were building up on his boarder, but yet there were very little defenses set up, very little defensive materials were given? Why?

Also US Policy regarding when we would given Ukraine weapons and how they could use them also really handcuffed them. Was there really a huge fear of escalation? Why didn't we give them the ability to really push back?

I dont agree with what Trump said, I am guessing this his a personal issue with Z, but also don't think the US policy has ever cared about Ukrainians or Ukraine. But more about seeing how Russia would perform in battle as well as having them destroy their equipment, and weaken their overall army. Getting Intel on North Koreans fighting abilities is an added bonus.

I do think that Ukraine has become an issue of extreme taking points, which I dont think really point to the actual solution. I dont necessarily agree with Trumps approach but I am guessing we won't have a forever war.

The US was committed to the Ukraine well prior to the Russian Invasion. There was a persistent presence of US troops capacity building for years.

 

[spike.t]

Nobody believed Russia was going to invade....and putin promised they weren't....it was just an exercise in Belarus.....so intelligence services etc etc etc were all taken by surprise when it happened....I know fkall but to me it was pretty obvious....

 

[Red Leg]

Trump's Truth post today is literally deranged. Not a single member of his national fan club will voice any concern. He truly has taken the Russian side.

Trump unleashes unhinged tirade against Ukrainian ‘dictator’ Zelensky

The outrageous Truth Social post accused Zelensky — not Russian leader Vladimir Putin — of refusing to hold elections as a way of remaining in power unlawfully

www.independent.co.uk

This is the actual Truth post. This is directly from my president this morning. It is insane, and nearly all of it absolutely false.

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

Think of it, a modestly successful comedian, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars, to go into a War that couldn’t be won, that never had to start, but a War that he, without the U.S. and “TRUMP,” will never be able to settle. The United...

truthsocial.com

 

[bowjijohn]

I suspect that Trump and Putin have cooked up a little plan where Putin gets a new pro Russian leader of Ukraine

Defacto a return of ownership to Russia

In return Trump gets the mineral rights

He seems to be quite willing to split the West in order to do a deal with a liar for mineral rights he will never get

 

[spike.t]

Lost the plot

 

[spike.t]

Maybe needs to use these magic skills to stop the war in Congo...Sudan...Somalia...Yemen....just a thought......

 

[WAB]

Trump's Truth post today is literally deranged. Not a single member of his national fan club will voice any concern. He truly has taken the Russian side.

Trump unleashes unhinged tirade against Ukrainian ‘dictator’ Zelensky

The outrageous Truth Social post accused Zelensky — not Russian leader Vladimir Putin — of refusing to hold elections as a way of remaining in power unlawfully

www.independent.co.uk

This is the actual Truth post. This is directly from my president this morning. It is insane, and nearly all of it absolutely false.

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

Think of it, a modestly successful comedian, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars, to go into a War that couldn’t be won, that never had to start, but a War that he, without the U.S. and “TRUMP,” will never be able to settle. The United...

truthsocial.com

This is unbelievable. Does he think anyone
Believes these lies?

 

[roverandbrew]

Trump's Truth post today is literally deranged. Not a single member of his national fan club will voice any concern. He truly has taken the Russian side.

Trump unleashes unhinged tirade against Ukrainian ‘dictator’ Zelensky

The outrageous Truth Social post accused Zelensky — not Russian leader Vladimir Putin — of refusing to hold elections as a way of remaining in power unlawfully

www.independent.co.uk

This is the actual Truth post. This is directly from my president this morning. It is insane, and nearly all of it absolutely false.

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

Think of it, a modestly successful comedian, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars, to go into a War that couldn’t be won, that never had to start, but a War that he, without the U.S. and “TRUMP,” will never be able to settle. The United...

truthsocial.com

Trump is treasonous and deceitful. To disagree with Zelenskyy is much different than manipulation of facts in an attempt to misinform a nation.

 

[Hunt anything]

I’ve just about become numb to all of the bloviating coming from our CIC, I would contact my 2 senators but they both seem to go blindly along with whatever he says. I’m on board with most of the domestic stuff but the international blunders are so nutty they far and away outweigh any good on the domestic side.

 

[YancyW]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1892248716142403981

There is no bigger supporter of Ukraine in the Senate.

 

[rigbymauser]

If Trump was a businessman he would have put clearly europe need to haul their own ass from now on in a diplomatic and with a sharp sincerety without all these accusations, lies and namecalling. Then europe may have invested money in US military industries…but with the present status the europeans will invest a lot of in hardware, but only in within EU. They are affraid to invest capital on US soil. I read also the stockmarked reacted negativ on american companies here a few days back. Investores are throwing their money overhere right now. As many not are aware of , EU and eastern countries have a huge industry in weapon manufactors , which has been kept low.

 

[gbflyer]

Trump is over here talking smack, the 2 Vlads are no doubt over there talking smack, Xi is over there talking smack…the truth of what is really happening is something none of us will hear. Welcome to international relations. With due respect, I hope you fellers don’t give yourselves a coronary worrying about this. Go eat some oatmeal. If you want to effect real change, get on your local school board or city council.

Have a good day, folks. God loves us.

 

[Red Leg]

Trump is over here talking smack, the 2 Vlads are no doubt over there talking smack, Xi is over there talking smack…the truth of what is really happening is something none of us will hear. Welcome to international relations. With due respect, I hope you fellers don’t give yourselves a coronary worrying about this. Go eat some oatmeal. If you want to effect real change, get on your local school board or city council.

Have a good day, folks. God loves us.

No, it doesn't work like that. And yes, I actually have a little experience in this, and could care less if that pisses someone off on this thread. It absolutely matters what presidents say.

 

[roverandbrew]

Trump is over here talking smack, the 2 Vlads are no doubt over there talking smack, Xi is over there talking smack…the truth of what is really happening is something none of us will hear. Welcome to international relations. With due respect, I hope you fellers don’t give yourselves a coronary worrying about this. Go eat some oatmeal. If you want to effect real change, get on your local school board or city council.

Have a good day, folks. God loves us.

World leaders do not "talk smack". They are not children. They represent a nations credibility. 8 Billion people on this planet are watching us right now. If we claim to be a world leader we act like a world leader.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1892248716142403981

There is no bigger supporter of Ukraine in the Senate.

I am glad he is assigning blame to where it needs to go: Putin.

It's a little disheartening/idealistic that he is ascribing that much hope to Trump to get this done, given Trump's recent social media posts. It would be nice if our "leaders" called out Trump for his falsehoods.

 

[John Wasmuth]

Some of this BS is totally freaking Unfreaking believable…….. the sky is falling the sky is falling…. Trump sneezed today!!!! Was that a sign for Putin to push further? Was that a sign for Z to push ahead? Oh my gosh ….. or was the sneeze a sign he has pneumonia and needs impeached? Join us again tomorrow for another episode of “As the stomach turns”……

 

[spike.t]

Some of this BS is totally freaking Unfreaking believable…….. the sky is falling the sky is falling…. Trump sneezed today!!!! Was that a sign for Putin to push further? Was that a sign for Z to push ahead? Oh my gosh ….. or was the sneeze a sign he has pneumonia and needs impeached? Join us again tomorrow for another episode of “As the stomach turns”……

I presume you are referring to the bullshit coming out of trumps mouth?.....