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[Rocked and Loaded]

Study in detail the BIG BANG THEORY. Then read Genesis. Note the order of each creation event in these two documents. Hard to understand how ancient “superstitious” authors and today’s scientific scholars are so closely aligned. The only issues I have with the BBT is “Who put all the matter that ever existed and would ever exist in that tiny infinitely small dot?” “And who mad it go BANG?”

The Big Bang theory was actually first proposed by a Jesuit physicist. Leading physicists of the time, such as Einstein, initially rejected it because the prevailing theory was a “steady state” universe and the universe having a beginning or end seemed too much like a religious explanation. Eventually they had to concede that the math used was airtight and that an eternal physical universe wasn’t supported by the facts.

 

[WAB]

Study in detail the BIG BANG THEORY. Then read Genesis. Note the order of each creation event in these two documents. Hard to understand how ancient “superstitious” authors and today’s scientific scholars are so closely aligned. The only issues I have with the BBT is “Who put all the matter that ever existed and would ever exist in that tiny infinitely small dot?” “And who mad it go BANG?”

Sorry, but the Big Bang theory violates the law of entropy, in other words it could not happen without the intervention of a being capable of
Violating the laws of nature… hmm…

 

[BigSteve57]

Nope it is not

Sorry to disappoint

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

Personally I don't feel in the least bit qualified to give an opinion on whether man kind is the cause of or even contributes to global warming and/or climate change. So I will not express one. But I've had a few experiences in life that convinces me that we should be aware of the impact of our decisions as we advance in our knowledge and capabilities, that not all of our decisions are the best. That we do in fact experience trade offs as we develop new solutions to current problems.

I grew up in Maryland, specifically in the D.C. suburbs. I can remember clearly the issues with the Potomac river and the pollution of it. As I recall there was a time when it was highly discouraged to eat any fish that you may have been lucky to catch in the river. By the time I was in college, one of the best places to catch big catfish was the Potomac and was located just outside of the city. By then it was okay to eat fish again as I recall.

I also can remember quite clearly the EPA coming into existence under Nixon if I recall correctly. The EPA went after the steel manufacturers in Maryland that were dumping sewage into the Chesapeake Bay. The fishery was decimated by that sewage and along with it the commercial fishing industry. In particular was the vast decline in oyster production. The Chesapeake has improved since then with the cleanup but it is nowhere near what it once was.

In 1996 I made a trip to Manila where the company I worked for opened up a manufacturing operation. At the time the pollution issue in Manila was the worst I'd ever seen. In spite of being in actually pretty good physical condition and much younger and along with my counterpart, and in spite of the fact we were used to living at approximately 4500 ft elevation, we were dying after a couple of runs up and down the outside basketball court. We'd play pickup games with the other employees there in Manila after work, but the air was so bad that even at sea level we just couldn't breathe.

Trash was burned openly out on the sidewalks. The rivers were so full of garbage and human waste, the stench near them would make you want to puke and I nearly did.

So yah, I think we need to consider our impact on the environment regardless of this climate issue.

On another note, don't look now, but nuclear power is making a comeback.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/16/amazon-goes-nuclear-investing-more-than-500-million-to-develop-small-module-reactors.html

 

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[cwpayton]

I 100% agree with your statements..... Now convince China & India to play by the same rules and we'll actually make some progress.

so we worry about 1 degree rise in temp, and burning coal , while China fly's drones over our navy and air bases , and develops more nuclear missiles to obliterate us from the earth, I think man has the ability to destroy himself , it wont be from climate change or burning coal, we are stupid. stupid is as stupid does. while i still do my part for clean air , I use smokeless powder, ride a mule not a quad while hunting and own about 80 acres of carbon dioxide eating trees that in turn produce oxygen, how,s that for ya little Greta. Just a thot.

 

[cwpayton]

Sorry, but the Big Bang theory violates the law of entropy, in other words it could not happen without the intervention of a being capable of
Violating the laws of nature… hmm…

Yep that pesky ,"law of entropy" messes up everything even me, the older I am the more entropy I am, that law is proven also by the junk I piled out behind my barn ,for years now I go look and it hasnt built itself into anything, maybe in 60 million years it will create something.

 

[Altitude sickness]

Personally I don't feel in the least bit qualified to give an opinion on whether man kind is the cause of or even contributes to global warming and/or climate change. So I will not express one. But I've had a few experiences in life that convinces me that we should be aware of the impact of our decisions as we advance in our knowledge and capabilities, that not all of our decisions are the best. That we do in fact experience trade offs as we develop new solutions to current problems.

I grew up in Maryland, specifically in the D.C. suburbs. I can remember clearly the issues with the Potomac river and the pollution of it. As I recall there was a time when it was highly discouraged to eat any fish that you may have been lucky to catch in the river. By the time I was in college, one of the best places to catch big catfish was the Potomac and was located just outside of the city. By then it was okay to eat fish again as I recall.

I also can remember quite clearly the EPA coming into existence under Nixon if I recall correctly. The EPA went after the steel manufacturers in Maryland that were dumping sewage into the Chesapeake Bay. The fishery was decimated by that sewage and along with it the commercial fishing industry. In particular was the vast decline in oyster production. The Chesapeake has improved since then with the cleanup but it is nowhere near what it once was.

In 1996 I made a trip to Manila where the company I worked for opened up a manufacturing operation. At the time the pollution issue in Manila was the worst I'd ever seen. In spite of being in actually pretty good physical condition and much younger and along with my counterpart, and in spite of the fact we were used to living at approximately 4500 ft elevation, we were dying after a couple of runs up and down the outside basketball court. We'd play pickup games with the other employees there in Manila after work, but the air was so bad that even at sea level we just couldn't breathe.

Trash was burned openly out on the sidewalks. The rivers were so full of garbage and human waste, the stench near them would make you want to puke and I nearly did.

So yah, I think we need to consider our impact on the environment regardless of this climate issue.

On another note, don't look now, but nuclear power is making a comeback.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/16/amazon-goes-nuclear-investing-more-than-500-million-to-develop-small-module-reactors.html

There are several discussions going on here. I don’t think anyone is arguing that polluting the air or water is a good thing or should not be minimized or eliminated.

Then a separate discussion of if the planet’s climate is changing due to man’s impact in the last 100 years.

Where many of us push back is politicians and others saying, they can control the climate if we pay a little more in taxes, agree to live in a shoebox, drive a shoebox and only allow the elite to travel around the globe. and oh by the way they’re going to need more authority over every aspect of your life for them to control the climate.

 

[Tanks]

There are several discussions going on here. I don’t think anyone is arguing that polluting the air or water is a good thing or should not be minimized or eliminated.

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I don't know, some are suggesting we should not strive for positive environmental changes because of bad actors elsewhere. Like @PHOENIX PHIL I have seen results of good environmental policy in my lifetime, and have seen results of pollution in other countries.

I 100% agree with your statements..... Now convince China & India to play by the same rules and we'll actually make some progress.

 

[VertigoBE]

The Big Bang theory was actually first proposed by a Jesuit physicist. Leading physicists of the time, such as Einstein, initially rejected it because the prevailing theory was a “steady state” universe and the universe having a beginning or end seemed too much like a religious explanation. Eventually they had to concede that the math used was airtight and that an eternal physical universe wasn’t supported by the facts.

Correct, a Belgian Jesuit physicist called George Lemaitre. He thought at the university of Leuven. My great uncle studied mathematics/physics under him and went to to work for NASA and JPL afterwards.

 

[Kevin Peacocke]

Lots of people are voting against Harris, not necessarily voting for Trump, just against Harris and socialism.

Probably the first time in history where a high proportion on both sides are voting against the other candidate not for theirs.

 

[steve white]

Well, at least Ted Cruz mopped the floor with Alred in debate last night. I wish every Republican candidate had the ability to hold liberals' feet to the fire in such manner.

 

[Ed Lally]

Sorry, but the Big Bang theory violates the law of entropy, in other words it could not happen without the intervention of a being capable of
Violating the laws of nature… hmm…

My point exactly!!!

 

[Brent in Az]

Well, at least Ted Cruz mopped the floor with Alred in debate last night. I wish every Republican candidate had the ability to hold liberals' feet to the fire in such manner.

Cruz has his hands full. Schumer, Soros, and others have poured $100m into the Texas campaign to try and defeat Cruz

 

[John Wasmuth]

She’s losing her composure rather quickly……

 

[Saul]

If we're the cause of it this time, history shows nature itself seems to be more effective at doing it. Between the end of the Pleistocene and mid-Holocene (roughly 9000 years), the earth warmed and the seas rose by ~120 meters. That's an average of about a meter every 75 years. And the Henny Pennies and watermelons are kvetching over a projected rise of a few centimeters by the end of the 21st century. It's so bad, they say, that it's going to cause it to be a run-away and non-recoverable.

If we are the cause of it, it is far too early to say so with any certainty since what's happening has already happened without us, and to a much greater degree.

It is good to be skeptical of scientific consensus, but not incredulous. For such an issue in which I have very limited knowledge, I will defer to the judgement of the overwhelming majority of climate scientists.

My broader point, though, is that regardless of the human impact on climate change, our focus should be on reducing pollution and conserving the natural environment.

 

[Saul]

Sorry, but the Big Bang theory violates the law of entropy, in other words it could not happen without the intervention of a being capable of
Violating the laws of nature… hmm…

How so?

 

[John Wasmuth]

She went as far as to blame Trump for every problem over the last ten years…… negating the fact that she’s been in office for the last 3.5 or so years…… she’s a joke.

 

[wesheltonj]

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She went as far as to blame Trump for every problem over the last ten years…… negating the fact that she’s been in office for the last or so years…… she’s a joke.

Agreed, but she will still get votes just because she has a D after her name. Whereas R’s don’t just vote for someone because of an R after their name. And then we wonder why we lose elections.

I missed the Cruz debate, but I heard it was not good for Allred. But again the D factor.