Politics

[Scott CWO]

We are all picking on this one agent. Rightfully so. But there are others that showed poor training also.


It’s still a sad commentary that someone is that close to an Ex President with a rifle under her jacket and a handgun and doesn’t have enough training, experience or knowledge on where her holster needs to be.

An E-3 in the basic infantry would be broomed or displined for mishandling a firearm like that. But yet she is a presidential protection agent

It’s embarrassing to show our incompetence to the world. They now know how unsophisticated our protection is.

Our tier two military teams provide better protection to nobody’s in 3rd world countries.

Perhaps the SS should hire retired Tier one operators to train them. Some feelings may get hurt during the selection and training though. And we all know that is what matters these days.

My former SF operator employees worked with SS several times throughout their careers, especially overseas when US politicians were visiting other countries. Unfortunately, they don’t hold the SS in the highest regard but not the worst either. The SF guys always had to demand changes to the plan and get the SS to modify the plan, especially in regards to the perimeter and sniper positions. They tell me this situation was a total fail.

 

[Scott CWO]

This is an interesting statement that I think bears repeating.
And not just journalism but moreover not recognizing corruption in organizations.

A lot of the never-trumpers that I refer to as country club blue blazer repubs often clutch their pearls when people criticize establishment entities. Not just journalism but things like the 3-letter agencies, the rot in the upper brass in the military, and things like that.

It seems to me they get sensitive because it's a part of their identity. Especially if they were in for a long time. Especially if they perceive you as a "you're not us, you're them."

When I was in there was a saying - "the (insert branch here) takes care of it's own."
It had several meanings but one of them was defensive. I.e., butt out, this is family internal business.
I think that gets ingrained a little too much and these types develop a blind eye for the rot. One of those "but overall we do a lot of good so if we turn a blind eye occasionally..." type of views.

I would further speculate that a lot of the severe distaste for Trump and what they refer to as his "ilk" is really a manifestation of them being offended that he challenged things that are part of their identity and they cannot separate healthy criticism of real problems from an overall attack on the whole.

You know, I get tired of this type of “analysis.” Most Republican people that don’t love Trump feel that way because of WHAT TRUMP HAS DONE OR SAID and nothing else. A lot of people choose to ignore what he has said about distinguished, as well as rank and file, members of the military, his own cabinet and other Republicans. It crosses a line for a lot of people. I’m voting for him as the lesser of two evils but I don’t like his lack of leadership and his lack of understanding of electoral math.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

From this you can see the base of the water tower in the upper left portion of the photo.

 

[Scott CWO]

From this you can see the base of the water tower in the upper left portion of the photo.
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The top of the WT is too sloped if the SS thinks sloped roofs are unsafe.

 

[YancyW]

Agree...

Im not seeing a particularly great sniper perch there (although it might could work.. just cant tell what kind of railing and walkway, etc. are around the tower or what angles you might could get on threat areas)... but at a minimum it would be an excellent place for an observation team to be placed with a high power set of binos and some good camera equipment..

I have worked many of these where an observation team was in the bucket of a bucket truck, they can make about anything work. Some of the largest events I was part of where in pretty rural areas, several of them in the 30k plus in attendance. At the time in 2004, I worked advance on what was then the largest candidate rally in history, it was in the middle of county fairground. There were no buildings other than a couple open sided barns for livestock shows and a food service buildings. We had at least two bucket trucks with teams in them, might have been more.

 

[PARA45]

What I don't quite understand, and I'm still scratching my head in disbelieve, is how this untrained 20-year-old punk was able to do all this, and almost kill Trump. Imagine what a trained professional could have done at this event?

 

[Andrew62]

Dan Bongino, a former SS agent, went scorched earth on that entire security debacle

Just as he should have!!!

 

[Altitude sickness]

I think the SS is just one of many many organizations and companies that have suffered from hiring and promoting the wrong people for the job.

Entry and Performance standards are lowered to allow the unsuitable and unqualified people into positions they should never be in.

It’s in most companies and government agencies. Like a liberal Cancer

 

[John Wasmuth]

Menendez found guilty of all counts. To be sentenced on October 29……. I guess nothing for the “Big Guy”?

 

[DillonG]

This is an interesting statement that I think bears repeating.
And not just journalism but moreover not recognizing corruption in organizations.

A lot of the never-trumpers that I refer to as country club blue blazer repubs often clutch their pearls when people criticize establishment entities. Not just journalism but things like the 3-letter agencies, the rot in the upper brass in the military, and things like that.

It seems to me they get sensitive because it's a part of their identity. Especially if they were in for a long time. Especially if they perceive you as a "you're not us, you're them."

When I was in there was a saying - "the (insert branch here) takes care of it's own."
It had several meanings but one of them was defensive. I.e., butt out, this is family internal business.
I think that gets ingrained a little too much and these types develop a blind eye for the rot. One of those "but overall we do a lot of good so if we turn a blind eye occasionally..." type of views.

I would further speculate that a lot of the severe distaste for Trump and what they refer to as his "ilk" is really a manifestation of them being offended that he challenged things that are part of their identity and they cannot separate healthy criticism of real problems from an overall attack on the whole.

I do not disagree with your take. Bias, including my own, facilitates a lack of awareness to the downfalls of one’s position. 3 letter agencies, at one time, were considered reputable. Currently, they obviously have a disturbing amount of ineptitude and inefficiency. I would say that the intelligence agencies have steadily declined since the Patriot Act was enacted. The trust in many departments that report through the executive branch are bloated. Most leadership is placed based on favors owed, not prior service and promotion based on performance.

 

[Datchew]

You know, I get tired of this type of “analysis.” Most Republican people that don’t love Trump feel that way because of WHAT TRUMP HAS DONE OR SAID and nothing else. A lot of people choose to ignore what he has said about distinguished, as well as rank and file, members of the military, his own cabinet and other Republicans. It crosses a line for a lot of people. I’m voting for him as the lesser of two evils but I don’t like his lack of leadership and his lack of understanding of electoral math.

I can buy that. But you're obviously not a never-trumper.

I don't like a lot of things the guy has said or done. I wouldn't drink beer with him.
Frankly, your description about how you view most republicans seeing Trump is pretty damn close to my own views on the man.

But in the end, you're making a call based on constraints for a best case scenario as you see fit.
The never-trumpers would let the house burn down with their finger on the fire extinguisher rather than see Trump win.

 

[DillonG]

Sen. Bob Menendez found guilty in corruption/bribery trial. Thoroughly shocked he was actually charged, and not allowed to slither away into the sunset.

 

[Brent in Az]

I watched a 30 minute interview of JD Vance from the convention. I was rather impressed. Articulate and concise.

 

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[DillonG]

I watched a 30 minute interview of JD Vance from the convention. I was rather impressed. Articulate and concise.

He is intelligent. As the race stands with Harris as the Dem VP, it should make for a very entertaining debate.

 

[WAB]

He is intelligent. As the race stands with Harris as the Dem VP, it should make for a very entertaining debate.

It will be like arguing with a cackling fence post!

 

[HookMeUpII]

I watched a 30 minute interview of JD Vance from the convention. I was rather impressed. Articulate and concise.

He's sharp. There's no doubting that. I am also sure he will shred "Heels Up" Harris in a debate. The problem is he only has 2 years experience and is a Christian, white male, with a pretty hard line stance on pro-life.

He's our guy now unless something drastic changes I guess.

 

[DillonG]

He's sharp. There's no doubting that. I am also sure he will shred "Heels Up" Harris in a debate. The problem is he only has 2 years experience and is a Christian, white male, with a pretty hard line stance on pro-life.

He's our guy now unless something drastic changes I guess.

He has relaxed on abortion slightly as of late. I believe this was directed by the Trump staff. Trump is pushing abortion as a state, not federal issue.

 

[HookMeUpII]

And things just keep looking better by the day:

Sen. Bob Menendez faces decades in prison as he’s convicted of sprawling gold bar bribery scheme

Sen. Robert Menendez has been found guilty of accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars of bribes in exchange for using his powerful post to enrich and protect three businessmen and the Egyptian a…

nypost.com

They finally got this crook. As a NJ resident this was a long, long time coming.

 

[skydiver386]

Local Pa NBC Affiliate is now reporting that Law Enforcement had spotted an armed suspect in the vicinity of the building 30 minutes prior to the shooting.

Reuters is reporting that there were LE Teams using the building the shots were fired from, and were inside the building when the shooting took place.

This keeps getting worse and worse.