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Yet, you guys attack Haley as a potential warmonger, a female Dick Cheney. :unsure: Make up your minds.

What would be the exit strategy of a war with Iran?
I've never attacked Haley as a warmonger, just accused her of being just another D.C establishment mouthpiece. More of a Mitt Romney with tits.

Exit strategy? Doesn't need to be any entrance strategy.

Just fly over Irans nuclear facility with high altitude Bombers and a strong fighter escort, and drop a few MOAB's.

Send a clear and direct message to the raghead terrorists.

Personally, I think Iran needs to be turned into a parking lot that is uninhabitable for the next 500 years.
Eliminate that wart off the ass of the Middle east, along with all it's proxies.
 
I don't have time for a lengthy explanation but least to say it would ignite the region and would cause thousands of Israeli civilian deaths to start with.
Believe it or not Iran is perfectly capable to reach our allies, our troops and ships in the region with devastating effect.
It's easy to say things from your living room, like let's bomb them to stone age etc.. but the reality is not as simple.
The price to pay is too high for and it's reckless for any President.
That's the easy way out, while Iran just keeps chipping away at everyone for years to come.
What will we see when Iran has a functional nuclear tipped missile or 3?

Maybe the U.S can come up with it's own proxies in the region to make attacks on Iran, without direct involvement or responsibility?
 
I'll take this as a serious question.

The usual caveats. I am no military man, nor do I claim in depth experience. I expect @Red Leg can jump in to expand on or correct my points.

However, I do know that Iran is a country of nearly 100 million people. They have a relatively rigid, authoritarian government with a strong grasp over the local populace. They have a relatively strong military in the same sort of ball park as Australia, Pakistan, Canada, Spain, Egypt. They have a decent GDP and are at least trying for nuclear capability. They are not Somalia, or Iraq or Afghanistan.

They also have a lot of support (tacit, if not explicit) in the Middle East, and if their combatant was the US, many others would pile in as well.

All that to say, the US can curbstomp them. But to achieve anything other than pissing them off, increasing their support in the region and an uptick in activity against US interests, would require a real, boots on the ground war. Not a simple bombing run, not a counter insurgency operation, not a light touch peacekeeping operation, not even just cruise missiles and a carrier group. A real, American servicemen in the face of fire, conflict of a greater magnitude than any previous Middle Eastern operation.

If you want to 'solve' the Iran problem, you're talking more effort and casualties than Korea, than Vietnam, than the entirety of the Middle East misadventures of the past 30 years. Years and years, billions of dollars, 100,000s of US servicemen in a war zone, extensive terrorist activity and thousands, likely tens of thousands of deaths. You'd win, no doubt about it, but this is not a walk in the park and it will cost lives, treasure and materiel. If this is the spark that gets them into the nuclear club (and you can be sure that'd be priority #1 if the US tries anything decisive) this could be a serious threat to any US asset within their missile range, which includes Isreal, Egypt, Oman, Saudi, the UAE, Turkey, much of Eastern Europe. Maybe even places like Greece or Italy.

Then what is the end goal? You invade, you win, you depose their government. Then what? Constant occupation in the same vein as Iraq until someone gets bored and we're back to square one? The people there are not of a culture that will readily adopt a western democratic system, or even be pleased to see US troops on the ground. It'd take at least a generation, probably two to make that stick. Does the US have the political will to occupy a hostile territory for 50 years to achieve it? Based on the failures in every other Middle Eastern nation in my lifetime, I think not...

It's easy to talk a big game, but this is one that whilst absolutely winnable, is an option that will be hugely expensive, and one that there absolutely isn't the political will for on either side of the aisle.
 
I'll take this as a serious question.

The usual caveats. I am no military man, nor do I claim in depth experience. I expect @Red Leg can jump in to expand on or correct my points.

However, I do know that Iran is a country of nearly 100 million people. They have a relatively rigid, authoritarian government with a strong grasp over the local populace. They have a relatively strong military in the same sort of ball park as Australia, Pakistan, Canada, Spain, Egypt. They have a decent GDP and are at least trying for nuclear capability. They are not Somalia, or Iraq or Afghanistan.

They also have a lot of support (tacit, if not explicit) in the Middle East, and if their combatant was the US, many others would pile in as well.

All that to say, the US can curbstomp them. But to achieve anything other than pissing them off, increasing their support in the region and an uptick in activity against US interests, would require a real, boots on the ground war. Not a simple bombing run, not a counter insurgency operation, not a light touch peacekeeping operation, not even just cruise missiles and a carrier group. A real, American servicemen in the face of fire, conflict of a greater magnitude than any previous Middle Eastern operation.

If you want to 'solve' the Iran problem, you're talking more effort and casualties than Korea, than Vietnam, than the entirety of the Middle East misadventures of the past 30 years. Years and years, billions of dollars, 100,000s of US servicemen in a war zone, extensive terrorist activity and thousands, likely tens of thousands of deaths. You'd win, no doubt about it, but this is not a walk in the park and it will cost lives, treasure and materiel. If this is the spark that gets them into the nuclear club (and you can be sure that'd be priority #1 if the US tries anything decisive) this could be a serious threat to any US asset within their missile range, which includes Isreal, Egypt, Oman, Saudi, the UAE, Turkey, much of Eastern Europe. Maybe even places like Greece or Italy.

Then what is the end goal? You invade, you win, you depose their government. Then what? Constant occupation in the same vein as Iraq until someone gets bored and we're back to square one? The people there are not of a culture that will readily adopt a western democratic system, or even be pleased to see US troops on the ground. It'd take at least a generation, probably two to make that stick. Does the US have the political will to occupy a hostile territory for 50 years to achieve it? Based on the failures in every other Middle Eastern nation in my lifetime, I think not...

It's easy to talk a big game, but this is one that whilst absolutely winnable, is an option that will be hugely expensive, and one that there absolutely isn't the political will for on either side of the aisle.

Well said.
 
Well said, @Alistair

“Older men start wars, but younger men fight them. ”​

― Albert Einstein
 
We had a proxy war with Iran using Saddam's Iraq and with all our support it was a stalemate and couple hundred thousand died from both sides.
Also let me clarify one point for you.
Iranians are not Arabs, they are Persians with a strong national pride and will to fight and fight they will!
I wish there was a viable long solution to this mess,
I have family members including my son in the harms way.
Yes, they are volunteers and willingly serving but one service members life is too much let alone hundreds of thousands in a fight with Iran.
 
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Unfortunately, Iran has figured out how to use proxy groups with great affect
You're talking about two different things though.
Shiia militias in Syria and Iraq, with Iranian funding and advisors, attacking US outposts, isn't the same thing as finding enough people to cause an overthrow of the Iranian government. There's quite a bit of opposition to every administration that comes into power in Iran, there's even opposition to the status of the Ayatollah within the Iranian State. However this doesn't mean these people therefore want to violently overthrow their government or give up their Shiia faith. How many Americans are completely unhappy with the current Administration in DC (or the state of the govt for the last 30 years for that matter)? Does that mean they would be willing to work with some sort of Iranian intelligence network to overthrow the US govt? Obviously no.
 
We had a proxy war with Iran using Saddam's Iraq and with all our support it was a stalemate and couple hundred thousand died from both sides.
Also let me clarify one point for you.
Iranians are not Arabs, they are Persians with a strong national pride and will to fight and fight they will!
I wish there was a viable long solution to this mess,
I have family members including my son in the harms way.
Yes, they are volunteers and willingly serving but one service members life is too much let alone hundreds of thousands in a fight with Iran.
And what happens when they develop the bomb with funds that we allowed them to continue to receive and lack of sanctions.
I am not saying we give them money directly, though we do in a sense, allowing them to get monies that were being held by sanction. Both Obama and Biden have allowed lots of money to make its way to Iran and while some will say, "well thats for humanitarian purposes only", anyone with a brain the size of a pea knows that BS! Remember the plane load of cash The Bamster shipped over??
Sanction the crap out of them, dont allow them to sell any oil to anyone, start sinking their gunboats the minute they leave the dock or attack any ships in the Gulf, then you may get their attention.
And for FFS!,, chop off the funds!!
 
And what happens when they develop the bomb with funds that we allowed them to continue to receive and lack of sanctions.
I am not saying we give them money directly, though we do in a sense, allowing them to get monies that were being held by sanction. Both Obama and Biden have allowed lots of money to make its way to Iran and while some will say, "well thats for humanitarian purposes only", anyone with a brain the size of a pea knows that BS! Remember the plane load of cash The Bamster shipped over??
Sanction the crap out of them, dont allow them to sell any oil to anyone, start sinking their gunboats the minute they leave the dock or attack any ships in the Gulf, then you may get their attention.
And for FFS!,, chop off the funds!!
I do not know where you're getting your news but we are sanctioning the crap out Iran, Russia and North Korea.
It only works to a certain extent.
There are a lot ways they can circumnavigate and they do.
Mostly thanks to China and BRICS countries.
No matter who the President is this issue is not that simple.
Remember what happened after Trump met with Kim Jong. Un.. a big nothing and they keep developing or developed already.
 
I do not know where you're getting your news but we are sanctioning the crap out Iran, Russia and North Korea.
It only works to a certain extent.
There are a lot ways they can circumnavigate and they do.
Mostly thanks to China and BRICS countries.
No matter who the President is this issue is not that simple.
Remember what happened after Trump met with Kim Jong. Un.. a big nothing and they keep developing or developed already.
No we are not sanctioning the crap ouf of Iran. We are seeing to it that they get lots of money. You cant blame Trump for what NOKO does, he isnt in office, Biden is.
 
Regardless of who's the President, do you have any idea what would happen if we attack Iran directly?
Well, again IMHO, it's going to happen anyway when Iran declares they have the "bomb". Can you imagine the Ayatollahs with a nuclear weapon that could wipe out Israel with one nuclear blast. We're naive and they probably are months away or already have one. The West has been played by Iran for years now with a succession of US Presidents and the EU/Nato looking the other way. Stay tuned.
 
No we are not sanctioning the crap ouf of Iran. We are seeing to it that they get lots of money. You cant blame Trump for what NOKO does, he isnt in office, Biden is.
Remember, Brandon released Iran from the oil export sanctions awhile ago. More appeasement. How's that worked out? Brandon should be imposing even greater sanctions on Iran's oil and stopping the money train flowing to Iran's terrorist proxies.
 
I do not know where you're getting your news but we are sanctioning the crap out Iran, Russia and North Korea.
It only works to a certain extent.
There are a lot ways they can circumnavigate and they do.
Mostly thanks to China and BRICS countries.
No matter who the President is this issue is not that simple.
Remember what happened after Trump met with Kim Jong. Un.. a big nothing and they keep developing or developed already.
ANY sanctions we have on the Hermit Kingdom don't work. 90% of their import/export trade is with China.
 
Salute to Congressman Thomas Massie.............he's been digging into the false flag Capital bomb scare of Jan 6th.....(.actually Jan 5 and 6th.) Collusion between the FBI, Secret Service, Capital Police and Democrat National Committee is evident. This will have to be thoroughly uncovered and addressed in order to have a free and fair election this year. .............FWB
 
Salute to Congressman Thomas Massie.............he's been digging into the false flag Capital bomb scare of Jan 6th.....(.actually Jan 5 and 6th.) Collusion between the FBI, Secret Service, Capital Police and Democrat National Committee is evident. This will have to be thoroughly uncovered and addressed in order to have a free and fair election this year. .............FWB
Do you think they can ever get enough evidence to go public with and say we have the goods?
 
No we are not sanctioning the crap ouf of Iran. We are seeing to it that they get lots of money. You cant blame Trump for what NOKO does, he isnt in office, Biden is.
I don't blame him or anybody else.
Some problems have no solution or a viable solution.
Iran and North Korea are trying to build nuclear weapons to use as a bargaining chip and have a seat at the table.
None of them dare to use it and risk being wiped out of this World.
They're not as stupid as people think.
 

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