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[Red Leg]

I absolutely agree that the MSM's continuing lack of interest in the Biden corruption story is reprehensible. But, the loss of that sub and the Wagner revolt were legitimate stories. The video also implies that the Wagner Revolt was contrived between the US, Putin, and Wagner to keep Hunter et al out of the news. I think that is simply nuts.

The growing evidence against Biden is important news. I would put it ahead of the OceanGate drama, though sadly not from a viewership perspective, and well behind the events between Russia and the Wagner PMC - for that limited period of time.

Some recent polling shows that a slim majority of Americans believe that Biden may be corrupt. If that is true, the issue will begin to gain ground in the MSM. Viewership trumps everything else.

Regrettably, in the coming weeks, that story also will have to compete with Donald Trump and his mouth. We now have the actual recording of him showing what seems to be war plans to someone, and his public protestations that there were no plans in his possession.

Trump Says ‘Secret’ Document He Described on Tape Referred to News Clippings (Published 2023)

“There was no document,” the former president said on Fox News as he gave some of his most expansive remarks on the case that led to his federal indictment.

www.nytimes.com

I have no idea if he is lying or not. But this is the sort of thing that represents such a liability with Trump and will suck the wind out of the Biden corruption story through election day.

This is from Fox where Trump was asked to explain the apparent discrepancy between the Bret Baier interview a week ago and the leaked recording. Anyone can draw their own conclusions.

Trump reacts after leaked recording shows him discussing classified docs

Former President Trump reacts to a leaked recording of him discussing alleged secret documents and insists in a Fox News Digital interview that he did "nothing wrong."

www.foxnews.com

 

[Tundra Tiger]

Let me be clear: we all have skeletons to varying degrees. I think Biden has an abosolute crap-ton, and he'll wind up dead before any/most catch up to him. And do I think a whole lot of people have a vendetta against Trump? Absolutely. That said...

He always takes the low road.
He denies everything.
It's always someone else's fault.
He can't seem to grasp that having a tiny bit of decorum might be beneficial.
I think some of his skeletons are about to shake loose in a big way.

Biden sucks. Trump sucks. We can surely do so much better than either one. And for those who will rally around Trump's policies while he was in office, I just do not believe it's a sure bet we get those back.

DeSantis/one of a number of solid options - 2024...

 

[Foxi]

Not sure about the meaning of your first paragraph, but the Polish corridor absolutely was a major contributing factor to Germany's actions in 1939.

I meant the Federal Republic of Germany. If we had gone to the Baltic States with the Bundeswehr before, there would have been trouble with all the allies and Russia.

The most astonishing thing to me was the abandonment of Poland to the Soviet Union at the end of the war. The invasion of Poland was the casus belli for the British and French declarations of war on Germany in '39. And yet, in '45 Britain and the US were unwilling to force a true referendum which would have left Poland in the Western orbit. Of course, the overwhelming presence of the Red Army had more than a little to do with it. But it was a real betrayal of the Polish Forces who fought so bravely on the allied side throughout the war.

some can afford anything.
Stalin invaded Poland a few weeks later and war was not declared on him.

 

[WAB]

Tho not much worse than what we did to the Yugoslavian partisans...?

Don’t lay that at our feet. That was driven by the Brits. Their intelligence service completely bungled that one and our ally was executed post war as a result.

 

[Brent in Az]

Let me be clear: we all have skeletons to varying degrees. I think Biden has an abosolute crap-ton, and he'll wind up dead before any/most catch up to him. And do I think a whole lot of people have a vendetta against Trump? Absolutely. That said...

He always takes the low road.
He denies everything.
It's always someone else's fault.
He can't seem to grasp that having a tiny bit of decorum might be beneficial.
I think some of his skeletons are about to shake loose in a big way.

Biden sucks. Trump sucks. We can surely do so much better than either one. And for those who will rally around Trump's policies while he was in office, I just do not believe it's a sure bet we get those back.

DeSantis/one of a number of solid options - 2024...

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The only way Desantis can win the primary, is if Trump doesn't run.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

While I acknowledge a number of folks on here think that, I'm not giving up hope yet things can change. As a former HS basketball coach, I never believed any lead was insurmountable, and I never thought any lead was truly safe. DeSantis 2024...

 

[WAB]

While I acknowledge a number of folks on here think that, I'm not giving up hope yet things can change. As a former HS basketball coach, I never believed any lead was insurmountable, and I never thought any lead was truly safe. DeSantis 2024...

While I really like what I hear from Scott, I think DeSantis is our best shot at fielding a candidate who can win in the general election. He’s got my vote based on what I know today.

 

[meigsbucks]

While I really like what I hear from Scott, I think DeSantis is our best shot at fielding a candidate who can win in the general election. He’s got my vote based on what I know today.

I concur that DeSantis is our best shot but I lean toward Scott and Haley. Ramaswamy says a lot of good things but has about a zero percent chance.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

I should add (Thank you @WAB) that I'd totally get behind Scott, based on what I've heard. Absolutely. I just feel like making up the deficit... DeSantis is probably it. And to augment what Brent said "if Trump doesn't run"... or can't run. Can you imagine the momentum we could have if... Trump knew how to be a team player. And yeah, I'd like a winning lottery ticket while I'm at it.

 

[steve white]

Don’t lay that at our feet. That was driven by the Brits. Their intelligence service completely bungled that one and our ally was executed post war as a result.

I implied "we" as the allied powers.

 

[VertigoBE]

I meant the Federal Republic of Germany. If we had gone to the Baltic States with the Bundeswehr before, there would have been trouble with all the allies and Russia.


some can afford anything.
Stalin invaded Poland a few weeks later and war was not declared on him.
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Those cartoons are quite hilarious

 

[D.M.V]

I think people of a traditional conservative persuasion overlook the failure of conservative leadership over the last several years and we're it has lead itself. Then you have a guy come along who actually tried too do something about it and he gets nothing but blow back. Of coarse from the left, but a significant portion of his so called allies as well. I think people who don't like the way trump talks are philosophically suicidal. For my money I want a fighter and hopefully someone who will make these people pay. Not make nice. Our veteran cemeteries are full people who paid with there lives so we could have a country and a culture. What did they die for. So some pervert could molest his great grandchildren and warp there minds, destroy the great city's, promote rot at every facet of American life. I'm sorry - "not sorry" but I'm angry about it. These subhumans have contributed nothing and only exist because the road too there selfish pointless meaningless life's was paved with the strength of better men. Cormick McCarthy wrote a great book that makes a social commentary on this subject called no country for old men. And too some extent his earlier work Blood Meridian. Of course this is all just one man's opinion.

 

[Red Leg]

I think people of a traditional conservative persuasion overlook the failure of conservative leadership over the last several years and we're it has lead itself. Then you have a guy come along who actually tried too do something about it and he gets nothing but blow back. Of coarse from the left, but a significant portion of his so called allies as well. I think people who don't like the way trump talks are philosophically suicidal. For my money I want a fighter and hopefully someone who will make these people pay. Not make nice. Our veteran cemeteries are full people who paid with there lives so we could have a country and a culture. What did they die for. So some pervert could molest his great grandchildren and warp there minds, destroy the great city's, promote rot at every facet of American life. I'm sorry - "not sorry" but I'm angry about it. These subhumans have contributed nothing and only exist because the road too there selfish pointless meaningless life's was paved with the strength of better men. Cormick McCarthy wrote a great book that makes a social commentary on this subject called no country for old men. And too some extent his earlier work Blood Meridian. Of course this is all just one man's opinion.

I could not agree with you more with respect to the trajectory of our culture. What I am struggling with is what Donald Trump did to in any way change that when he had the chance. These are social issues over which the Federal Government has relatively little control. After all Trump didn't, and frankly couldn't, do much of anything to put the BLM Gennie back in the bottle. In fairness to him, tell me a single thing he (or any other conservative leader), could have done to prevent the rot in democrat led cities. Those results are , after all, the product of local elections. For instance, he was President when the elected democrat mayor of Washington DC renamed the plaza leading to the White House BLM Plaza. That was his watch - outside his front door.

Defiant DC mayor names plaza 'Black Lives Matter'

The movement's name has also been painted onto the thoroughfare leading to the White House.

www.bbc.com

I am confident he wouldn't have hired either Rachel Levine or Sam Brinton, but neither would Mitt Romney, much less DeSantis or Nickie Halie. And I wouldn't go too far down the road of Donald Trump offering an example to the youth of America as a paragon of morality and honesty.

One candidate that at least has a record of trying to fight this cultural rot is Ron DeSantis. He has managed to get most of the revisionist 1619 Project nonsense out of Florida schools and has used all the tools in the governor's tool bag to take on Disney.

My only point is that while I agree whole heartedly with the damage being done this country culturally by Democrat mayors, governors, and progressive school boards, I have seen little evidence that Trump is capable of, even interested in doing much about it. Indeed, his pursuit of a second term, to the extent in solidifies democrat hold over half the country, may even impede local movements to overturn that progressive grip on many of our cities.

 

[bowjijohn]

If I might have the temerity to make an observation

The world is about to catch fire

And you lot - the world’s fire dept - are arguing amongst yourselves about the length of your ladders !

 

[Brent in Az]

Red leg is correct in the fact that Trump did not fix anything in D.C while he had the chance. Trump had the wrong people in his cabinet for the job, and probably listened to bad advice from the the people in his circle.

Will he repeat this failure? I certainly hope not. Trump needs to install ass kickers, and name takers, to go after the swamp. It is a monumental task.
Republicans have played nice- nice in politics for far too long, and that's why the Democrats keep kicking us in the teeth.
The Republican party needs to eject the RINO's, and get savage with the Democrat swamp, or we are done. Cant play nice anymore.

The state and inner city problems are the direct result of the leftist hive mind, and low information voters that have been bamboozled into thinking that Democrats in charge will solve all their problems, when Democrats create the problems. Trump can't fix that, only we can. I don't see it happening.
Joe Biden could eat live puppies on national television, and his constituents would applaud him for it. It's a cult of sickness.
The average Democrat voter is feeling the pain of this economy, and ever increasing strangleholds implemented by the left. They have simply been brainwashed into voting for politicians with a (D) next to the name. Until that changes, the Democrat dystopia will continue.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

D.M.V.

“… he gets nothing but blow back. Of course from the left, but a significant portion of his so called allies as well.”

Much of the ‘blow back’ from his side was, IMO, of his own creation, through his confrontational approach with anyone who disagreed with him by even the smallest amount.

“I think people who don't like the way Trump talks are philosophically suicidal.”

No sir. It is perfectly OK to want good policies and a dignified example from people who are elected to represent us, especially at such a high level. If you’re good with a part of that but not the rest, that is certainly your prerogative. For myself I want more. A fighter? Yes, but a person can have an aggressive/assertive approach without being a narcissistic egomaniac.

“So some pervert could molest his great grandchildren and warp there minds, destroy the great city's, promote rot at every facet of American life.”

While I agree with this comment, my own opinion is that Trump isn’t blameless. He has had issues with women, making decisions I would not have made and that cannot be excused away.

"but I'm angry about it."

I am too: about the whole damn lot of it. I find both sides to be both odious and asinine.

Brent…

“Trump had the wrong people in his cabinet for the job, and probably listened to bad advice from the people in his circle.”

I think I probably agree with this, but at the rate he cycled through cabinet and inner circle people, one of two things is true: he’s a really bad judge of people (which isn't good), or it wasn’t just the people: it was/is that part of him that can’t seem to listen to any advice that differs with his own thoughts on anything. I tend to believe it's more of the latter. In either case, that's something I see as his failing.

 

[wesheltonj]

I will repeat again. Trump is be the R candidate. DeSantis is dropping in the polls and not gaining. The only way for Trump not to be, is for him to drop out of the race or die.

Gavin Newsom will the the D candidate. Biden is done, RFK, Jr is at 25% in the D polls. The National party will not be able to save Biden. And frankly, Nancy Polosi will make sure her nephew has the spot of the ticket and not RFK.

Of course it does not matter who the R is, if the National Party does not get behind vote harvesting where legal. But at least they are now promoting early voting.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

I repeat: I am an eternal optimist. Anything can still happen. DeSantis 2024...

"The only way for Trump not to be, is for him to drop out of the race or die." Fingers crossed. Also, to quote Lloyd Christmas "So you're telling me there's a chance. YEAH!"

 

[VertigoBE]

I could not agree with you more with respect to the trajectory of our culture. What I am struggling with is what Donald Trump did to in any way change that when he had the chance. These are social issues over which the Federal Government has relatively little control. After all Trump didn't, and frankly couldn't, do much of anything to put the BLM Gennie back in the bottle. In fairness to him, tell me a single thing he (or any other conservative leader), could have done to prevent the rot in democrat led cities. Those results are , after all, the product of local elections. For instance, he was President when the elected democrat mayor of Washington DC renamed the plaza leading to the White House BLM Plaza. That was his watch - outside his front door.

Defiant DC mayor names plaza 'Black Lives Matter'

The movement's name has also been painted onto the thoroughfare leading to the White House.

www.bbc.com

I am confident he wouldn't have hired either Rachel Levine or Sam Brinton, but neither would Mitt Romney, much less DeSantis or Nickie Halie. And I wouldn't go too far down the road of Donald Trump offering an example to the youth of America as a paragon of morality and honesty.

One candidate that at least has a record of trying to fight this cultural rot is Ron DeSantis. He has managed to get most of the revisionist 1619 Project nonsense out of Florida schools and has used all the tools in the governor's tool bag to take on Disney.

My only point is that while I agree whole heartedly with the damage being done this country culturally by Democrat mayors, governors, and progressive school boards, I have seen little evidence that Trump is capable of, even interested in doing much about it. Indeed, his pursuit of a second term, to the extent in solidifies democrat hold over half the country, may even impede local movements to overturn that progressive grip on many of our cities.

A philosopher and teacher he is not.

 

[Louis Toadvine]

I will repeat again. Trump is be the R candidate. DeSantis is dropping in the polls and not gaining. The only way for Trump not to be, is for him to drop out of the race or die.

Gavin Newsom will the the D candidate. Biden is done, RFK, Jr is at 25% in the D polls. The National party will not be able to save Biden. And frankly, Nancy Polosi will make sure her nephew has the spot of the ticket and not RFK.

Of course it does not matter who the R is, if the National Party does not get behind vote harvesting where legal. But at least they are now promoting early voting.

This is not meant to be accusatory to anyone and is not directed at you; I simply quoted your post since it relates to my question. This is a general question to the forum to be (hopefully) answered by those who are more plugged in with national level politics.

I continue to see/hear that Trump is well ahead of every other Republican candidate in primary polling. Who are they actually polling? Are there really a near majority of polled Republicans who prefer Trump as a candidate vs. all of the alternatives? Because I have yet to meet a single registered Republican in my (admittedly small) circle of friends and business acquaintances who has said as much, and based on the tenor of many on this forum (which represents a pretty wide spectrum of geographies, industries, and stations), he is not the preferred candidate. In fact, most Republicans I have met stated they would not vote for him in the primary, with probably a further third or half saying they wouldn't vote for him in the general election if he were the Republican candidate!

I know the above is all anecdotal/circumstantial and is far from scientific, but I'm beginning to wonder who these people are who are being polled. Maybe I'm just out of touch with major swaths of the Republican base (I probably am), but I can't seem to find these "Trump or bust!" people in real life. I have no doubt they exist, it just seems odd that he is double-digit leading primary polls when many of those very same polls say his alternatives would have a better shot at winning the general election. It just seems odd.