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Now I’m really baffled. And how we got from foreign owned semiconductor companies opening up operations in the USA to offshore pharmaceuticals I have no idea.
I don't think it's smart to let our biggest adversary control our antibiotics. Both are of strategic importance to the USA in my view. I think the risks of selling off everything in the USA to foreign companies is being downplayed here. we will see...
 
Inflation is like 8% and their stated goal is to get it to 2%? Lol, good luck. In my view they should be doing nothing to the rates as this is supple side driven (oil, etc. like you said) which the gov't can't really fix at the moment. We are from my research at least 1 year from being able to do anything on energy
I consider this to be incorrect. the futures prices of things reflects the current value of a future product. As such, if the govt were to take actions based on ridding the world of the fossil fuel hysteria and as Larry Kudlow says "open the spigot" with assurances that the changes were long term if not permanent, there would be an immediate increase in investment, activity and production. the price would drop proportionately and immediately.
 
Also seems off to me that we still are protecting Korea for free, a rich country that we made rich. Gee, only been 70 years so far.
 
I consider this to be incorrect. the futures prices of things reflects the current value of a future product. As such, if the govt were to take actions based on ridding the world of the fossil fuel hysteria and as Larry Kudlow says "open the spigot" with assurances that the changes were long term if not permanent, there would be an immediate increase in investment, activity and production. the price would drop proportionately and immediately.
I can only say that I've watched about 6 or 7 oil related videos and they all said that the actual USA supply can not be increased significantly for at least a year. I agree we should be all over that but they want to control the population via energy. Off shore new rigs take a couple years to build. The financing element is also key. Regardless, we should be doing all we can but we are doing the opposite. We all likely agree on that. That's why I don't see inflation going down especially on the consumer product side anytime soon. I think 70% of our food supple is delivered via semi and/or deisel.
 
Fair enough. I'd rather a US company get the chip act money and a US citizen gets the profit since they would employee the same people andI assume at the same wages. Maybe in the end we won't have a single US company left. Sort of like china owning our largest poultry and pork producer.
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We Americans blithely ignore the long-term effects of allowing foreign corporations to purchase the assets of our country in the form of companies, land, and resources. We are selling off our ability to produce wealth by allowing many American corporations to be purchased by foreign corporations. It is not just foreign companies buying our assets that is the problem ─ it is the state-owned and massively subsidized companies of China that are dangerous because China uses its state-owned enterprises as a strategic tool of the state. By pretending they are private companies abiding by free-market rules makes us the biggest chumps on the planet.

How many Americans paid attention to the news that the world's largest pork producer, American company Smithfield Foods, was acquired by a Chinese corporation in 2013? Shareholders approved the sale of the company to Shuanghui International Holdings Limited, the biggest meat processor in China.

Very few paid any attention to one of the earliest acquisitions by a Chinese corporation — when the Hoover brand was sold to Hong Kong, China-based firm Techtronic Industries in 2006 after Maytag, which owned Hoover, was acquired by Whirlpool.


In January 2014, Motorola Mobility was sold by Google to Chinese computer corporation, Lenovo, which means that the nation that invented smart phones is just about entirely out of the business of producing smart phones in America. This acquisition will give one of China's most prominent technology companies a broader foothold in the U. S. Lenovo is the same company that bought IBM’s line of personal computers in 2004.

Through strategic purchases, China is positioning itself to be our energy supplier as well. Since 2009, Chinese companies have invested billions of dollars acquiring significant percentages of shares of energy companies, such as The AES Corp., Chesapeake Energy, and Oil & Gas Assets. In 2010, China Communications Construction Co. bought 100% of Friede Goldman United, and in 2012, A-Tech Wind Power (Jiangxi) bought 100% of Cirrus Wind Energy.

In a Fortune article titled “The Biggest American Companies Now Owned by the Chinese,” Stephen Gandel provides the following list of American companies acquired by Chinese investors in 2016:

  • Starwood Hotels acquired by Anbang Insurance, a Chinese insurance company that is rapidly buying up U.S. hotels...It is the latest hotel acquisition by the Chinese insurer, which last year bought the company that owns New York’s Waldorf-Astoria. Starwood would add 1,300 hotels around the world to Anbang’s portfolio.
  • Ingram Micro, which is No. 62 on the Fortune 500, bought by Tianjin Tianhai Investment Development Co., a Chinese firm that specializes in aviation and logistics.
  • General Electric Appliance Business was bought by Qingdao Haier Co.
  • Terex Corp., an 83-year-old Connecticut-based company that makes machinery for construction, agricultural, and industrial purposes, was bought by Zoomlion Heavy Industry Science.
  • Legendary Entertainment Group, which has co-financed a number of major movies like Jurassic Park, Godzilla, and Pacific Rim, was bought by Dalian Wanda
  • Dalian Wanda also bought AMC Entertainment Holdings, the U.S.’s second largest movie chain at the time of purchase, but now #1.

I’d rather US semi-con companies be providing those IC’s too, but it’s not really feasible to think we would have 100% of the market share. As far as profit goes, Intel, TSMC and Samsung are all public companies. And if not mistaken, they all pay dividends to their stock holders whether they be Americans or otherwise. Those dividends are the equivalent of profit sharing. Furthermore you’re not taking into account all of the support businesses required to provide these companies with all of sorts of supplies they need. And those are local companies employing that many more Americans. Read the following article, I can’t see how you’d come to any conclusion that is not positive in regard to TSMC opening a fab here.


As far as running out of American semi-con companies goes, can’t even imagine that happening. It would have by now.

Regarding China and the many companies it now owns in the USA, you have a very valid point. Food companies in particular bother me. The Chinese owning any company here that provides needed products is certainly a concern.

High end hotels, appliances, entertainment companies……well pfft on those, so what.
 
I don't think it's smart to let our biggest adversary control our antibiotics. Both are of strategic importance to the USA in my view. I think the risks of selling off everything in the USA to foreign companies is being downplayed here. we will see...

You have a point, but it kind of came out of the blue.
 
Also seems off to me that we still are protecting Korea for free, a rich country that we made rich. Gee, only been 70 years so far.

The problem with this post is it seems to ignore a couple of facts. The first fact I think you’re not taking into consideration is that South Korea has its own armed forces. And quite a large one. The second fact you may not be considering is that the country has compulsory service. All younger men must serve a period of time in the armed forces there.


To a degree I share your sentiment, particularly in regards to those NATO countries who are not living up to their commitments in regards to defense spending.

It is arguable to be certain. But the point of the US being militarily in all of these places is it’s a preemptive move to prevent a larger scale war which would cost even more so in terms of dollars and blood. Has that worked? I think so in at least some cases, but it is a subjective argument.

EDIT: I would add that the post I quoted seems to ignore that there has not been any return on that investment. I would say that is incorrect. Again has it been worth it……and again that is subjective. But I don’t believe you can say we’ve not gained anything economically or politically from this.
 
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Fair enough. I'd rather a US company get the chip act money and a US citizen gets the profit since they would employee the same people andI assume at the same wages. Maybe in the end we won't have a single US company left. Sort of like china owning our largest poultry and pork producer.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________

We Americans blithely ignore the long-term effects of allowing foreign corporations to purchase the assets of our country in the form of companies, land, and resources. We are selling off our ability to produce wealth by allowing many American corporations to be purchased by foreign corporations. It is not just foreign companies buying our assets that is the problem ─ it is the state-owned and massively subsidized companies of China that are dangerous because China uses its state-owned enterprises as a strategic tool of the state. By pretending they are private companies abiding by free-market rules makes us the biggest chumps on the planet.

How many Americans paid attention to the news that the world's largest pork producer, American company Smithfield Foods, was acquired by a Chinese corporation in 2013? Shareholders approved the sale of the company to Shuanghui International Holdings Limited, the biggest meat processor in China.

Very few paid any attention to one of the earliest acquisitions by a Chinese corporation — when the Hoover brand was sold to Hong Kong, China-based firm Techtronic Industries in 2006 after Maytag, which owned Hoover, was acquired by Whirlpool.


In January 2014, Motorola Mobility was sold by Google to Chinese computer corporation, Lenovo, which means that the nation that invented smart phones is just about entirely out of the business of producing smart phones in America. This acquisition will give one of China's most prominent technology companies a broader foothold in the U. S. Lenovo is the same company that bought IBM’s line of personal computers in 2004.

Through strategic purchases, China is positioning itself to be our energy supplier as well. Since 2009, Chinese companies have invested billions of dollars acquiring significant percentages of shares of energy companies, such as The AES Corp., Chesapeake Energy, and Oil & Gas Assets. In 2010, China Communications Construction Co. bought 100% of Friede Goldman United, and in 2012, A-Tech Wind Power (Jiangxi) bought 100% of Cirrus Wind Energy.

In a Fortune article titled “The Biggest American Companies Now Owned by the Chinese,” Stephen Gandel provides the following list of American companies acquired by Chinese investors in 2016:

  • Starwood Hotels acquired by Anbang Insurance, a Chinese insurance company that is rapidly buying up U.S. hotels...It is the latest hotel acquisition by the Chinese insurer, which last year bought the company that owns New York’s Waldorf-Astoria. Starwood would add 1,300 hotels around the world to Anbang’s portfolio.
  • Ingram Micro, which is No. 62 on the Fortune 500, bought by Tianjin Tianhai Investment Development Co., a Chinese firm that specializes in aviation and logistics.
  • General Electric Appliance Business was bought by Qingdao Haier Co.
  • Terex Corp., an 83-year-old Connecticut-based company that makes machinery for construction, agricultural, and industrial purposes, was bought by Zoomlion Heavy Industry Science.
  • Legendary Entertainment Group, which has co-financed a number of major movies like Jurassic Park, Godzilla, and Pacific Rim, was bought by Dalian Wanda
  • Dalian Wanda also bought AMC Entertainment Holdings, the U.S.’s second largest movie chain at the time of purchase, but now #1.
As afraid of a China as you are, I would have thought you would see the value of the US developing closer economic and military ties with South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan. All three have significant reasons to be wary of China and are vital to preventing Chinese hegemony in Asia.

Every product that gets made by or in one of those nations instead of China weakens China while strengthening an ally in the region.

Should the US do more to encourage US companies to invest in the US? Maybe, but any manufacturing returning to the US is something to celebrate.

As I said before, Samsung will put a lot of money into the pockets of Americans where their plant is located in Texas and the Korean owners of the company will hopefully see the advantage of doing business in the US over China. That’s win/win.
 
Also seems off to me that we still are protecting Korea for free, a rich country that we made rich. Gee, only been 70 years so far.
Korea pays a lot for their own defense. As they should since North Korea is an existential threat.

They pay a higher percentage of GDP on defense than France, Germany, or the UK.

And the US has a vested interest in helping maintain powerful allies in the region as a counter to Chinese aggression.


 
I was told we were only cleaning out "our old weapons", that doesn't seem to be the case. huh? I'm not going to stop it I simply think this was a lie.

Defense sector lobbying hit an eight-year high ahead of the House passing the annual National Defense Authorization Act. The $98.9 million the industry spent in the first three quarters of 2021 is more than it has spent in the same time period since 2013.
I don't like the word lie very much. I particularly don't like it when it seems to be aimed at me. People who use it should be very sure of their facts and have a real understanding of the subject matter before they casually throw it around. I see no evidence that you possess either.

I have been the one attempting to explain how both the DOD/Congressional budgeting process works, and how that process is used to provide US weapon systems to Ukraine. I have noted in some detail how that process is used in conjunction with presidential drawdown authority to provide weapons from our reserve stocks that are excess to our needs. To date the vast preponderance of those major weapon systems and munitions that we have provided Ukraine have come from excess stocks. That includes M777 howitzers, HIMARS launchers, and associated munitions.

They are not "free." They are debited against the authorization based upon their potential residual value in a military assistance sale. I also noted that expending older munitions, particularly rockets is advantageous because they have, relative to traditional munitions, a limited shelf-life. Rather than being forced to demil them at significant cost, they are being expended. Obviously, at some point, new contracts will be let for Ukraine to replace what its army is using from old stock.

I also pointed out that DOD is cutting contracts with vendors to provide Ukraine with specialized capabilities and not giving Ukraine money to simply buy "stuff" as they see fit. The largest expenses to date have been for Switchblade loitering munitions and UAVs (drones). Again, the accounting authority for those new purchases is the authorization passed by congress.

Ukraine is currently under bombardment, primarily by cruise missiles. They desperately need an air defense capability to effectively counter that threat. Our primary air defense system is Patriot. It is extremely effective, but also requires extensive training and maintenance. It also has capabilities which we are careful in sharing. It is also very expensive, and even excess units would take a huge cut from the authorization. NSAMS is a relatively new development that is not in the maneuver Army's inventory. It is easy to build, relatively cheap as ADA systems go, and uses preexisting missile stocks. Several systems are currently placed within Washington DC. It is a perfect choice for Ukraine's requirement, and DOD has issued a contract to Raytheon to supply them using the Congressional authorization.

So how about you type on your keyboard and explain exactly what constitutes a lie with respect to anything I said..
 
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Korea pays a lot for their own defense. As they should since North Korea is an existential threat.

They pay a higher percentage of GDP on defense than France, Germany, or the UK.

And the US has a vested interest in helping maintain powerful allies in the region as a counter to Chinese aggression.


Yup, what's 40B a year? Not much. It's so awesome my tax money goes to pay rich countries defense while they eat us alive in trade.
The US owned companies are the ones that left the US to make their products more cheaply abroad.

You're mad at the wrong people.
True to an extent. I'd rather have US citizens get rich than koreans, just me.
 
I don't like the word lie very much. I particularly don't like it when it seems to be aimed at me. People who use it should be very sure of their facts and have a real understanding of the subject matter before they casually throw it around. I see no evidence that you possess either.

I have been the one attempting to explain how both the DOD/Congressional budgeting process works, and how that process is used to provide US weapon systems to Ukraine. I have noted in some detail how that process is used in conjunction with presidential drawdown authority to provide weapons from our reserve stocks that are excess to our needs. To date the vast preponderance of those major weapon systems and munitions that we have provided Ukraine have come from excess stocks. That includes M777 howitzers, HIMARS launchers, and associated munitions.

I also pointed out that DOD is cutting contracts with vendors to provide Ukraine with specialized capabilities and not giving Ukraine money to simply buy "stuff" as they see fit. The largest expenses to date have been for Switchblade loitering munitions and UAVs (drones). Again, the accounting authority for those new purchases is the authorization passed by congress.

Ukraine is currently under bombardment, primarily by cruise missiles. They desperately need an air defense capability to effectively counter that threat. Our primary air defense system is Patriot. It is extremely effective, but also extensive training and maintenance. It also has capabilities which are careful in sharing. It is also very expensive, and even excess units would take a huge cut from the authorization. NSAMS is a relatively new development that is not in the maneuver Army's inventory. It is easy to build, relatively cheap as ADA systems go, and uses preexisting missile stocks. Several systems are currently place within Washington DC. It is a perfect choice for Ukraine's requirement, and DOD has issued a contract to Raytheon to supply them using the Congressional authorization.

So how about you type on your keyboard and explain exactly what constitutes a lie with respect to anything I said..
I wasn't calling you personally a liar. That was meant to be a general statement. Regardless, we are awarding "girfting" contracts for new weapons so my point is I was right. It's not all old stuff and they got billlions in traditional foreign aid. Let's keep being the world's "free" policeman. Wonder why are "NATO" allies can't give them to Ukraine?
 
Yup, what's 40B a year? Not much. It's so awesome my tax money goes to pay rich countries defense while they eat us alive in trade.

True to an extent. I'd rather have US citizens get rich than koreans, just me.
Korean gdp is 1.79 trillion. US gdp is 23 trillion. Nobody pays as much for their military as the US, not even China. Korea pays more than the Europeans and they’re on track to increase that.

Those US citizens running the American companies are already getting rich and they’re doing it at the expense of regular Americans in the manufacturing sector while making China rich too. At least the Korean millionaires are paying regular Americans to do the work.

You preach about China being a threat to the US but all of your positions would only serve to strengthen them.
 
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I wasn't calling you personally a liar. That was meant to be a general statement. Regardless, we are awarding "girfting" contracts for new weapons so my point is I was right. It's not all old stuff and they got billlions in traditional foreign aid. Let's keep being the world's "free" policeman. Wonder why are "NATO" allies can't give them to Ukraine?
They are. The simple dollar count is misleading. Budgets are not apple to apple comparisons. It is why NATO defense spending goals were always in percentage of GDP. For instance, Poland has given Ukraine its entire fleet (250) of modernized T72 tanks. Several European countries are providing 155mm howitzers and munitions.

I posted the chart below which everyone seemed to ignore because it doesn't fit the preferred narrative of the US shouldering the load alone. You will note the central European countries closest to Ukraine are indeed doing the most with respect to their actual GDP. It also clearly illustrates why our economic and military capacity are so important to our areas of national interest.

I have no idea what you mean by "girfting" - it isn't in my dictionary. But yes, if a requirement needs to be filled, you and every other American citizen better be very glad that our defense establishment has the capability to provide it - and to do it better than any other nation on the planet.

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Korean gdp is 1.79 trillion. US gdp is 23 trillion. Nobody pays as much on their military as the US, not even China. Korea pays more than the Europeans and they’re on track to ncrease that.

Those US citizens running the American companies are getting rich and they’re doing it at the expense of regular Americans in the manufacturing sector while making China rich too. At least the Korean millionaires are paying regular Americans to do the work.

You preach about China being a threat to the US but all of your positions would only serve to strengthen them.
All? You mean like saying they should not be allowed to own Smithfield? Like saying they should n ot be buying all of our fucking land? Why are we protecting these rich countries? They have plenty of money to do it themselves or at least pay us more than they do. Know why? Beause we are fucking stupid, that's why. Th USA has been getting raped for decades by all.
 
They are. The simple dollar count is misleading. Budgets are not apple to apple comparisons. It is why NATO defense spending goals were always in percentage of GDP. For instance, Poland has given Ukraine its entire fleet (250) of modernized T72 tanks. Several European countries are providing 155mm howitzers and munitions.

I posted the chart below which everyone seemed to ignore because it doesn't fit the preferred narrative of the US shouldering the load alone. You will note the central European countries closest to Ukraine are indeed doing the most with respect to their actual GDP. It also clearly illustrates why our economic and military capacity are so important to our areas of national interest.

I have no idea what you mean by "girfting" - it isn't in my dictionary. But yes, if a requirement needs to be filled, you and every other American citizen better be very glad that our defense establishment has the capability to provide it - and to do it better than any other nation on the planet.

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Grifting. They have the capability to get us into bullshit unnecessary so-called wars so they can grift from the US taxpayer. What was our big bullshit risk from Afghanistan? Were they going to invade New York? Foillow that $$$$ pal, that's all this bullshit is about. I don't care about GDP and they can write us a check for 1.2B , maybe rich Germany can? They don't even spend to their NATO agreement. Oh well, just is what it is. Stealing.
 
Grifting. They have the capability to get us into bullshit unnecessary so-called wars so they can grift from the US taxpayer. What was our big bullshit risk from Afghanistan? Were they going to invade New York? Foillow that $$$$ pal, that's all this bullshit is about. I don't care about GDP and they can write us a check for 1.2B , maybe rich Germany can? They don't even spend to their NATO agreement. Oh well, just is what it is. Stealing.
I am not your pal.

But I am absolutely of the America first persuasion. That includes using our influence, military power, and economic leverage wherever in the world our national interests are threatened. We are a world-wide mercantile empire with all the benefits and risks associated with such a position. It is the height of folly to believe we can defend that empire at the shores of the continental US. If you think we have no international interests or threats then we don't even have a basis for discussion.

I, and fortunately a majority of informed lawmakers in both parties in this country, believe that stopping Russian territorial ambitions in central Europe is in our national interests.

I thought for just a moment you might understand the relative nature of budgets to GDP and how a Poland can only be compared to the US economically in relative terms. But that would require some reflection.

With one issue I suspect we are in fairly close agreement, and that is Germany. A major part of Europe's current energy and inflation problem is a direct result of Germany's nearsighted, willful dependence upon Russian natural gas. Germany has now increased its defense budget, but will still faces domestic challenges in trying to shoulder its full share of its NATO commitment. Thankfully, Putin has silenced much of that crowd for a time.
 

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