On last day in office Obama bans lead bullets and sinkers on Fed land

[Rick Cox]

Hello Rick Cox,

Let's see ....... There is this person who's a top executive in today's logic defying, anti-Second Amendment hysteria.
He launches a move that not only costs millions of target shooters, hunters and firearm owners the added cost of being forced to buy comparatively expensive, non-lead projectiles but also, the risks of having to use these rather hard projectiles which, tend to ricochet easily over relatively flat lands (IE: .22 rim fire and small bore center fire calibers commonly used to control rodents on cattle farms, grain fields, walnut orchards and such).
This is not to mention the over-penetration these non-lead projectiles often show (at issue when hunting herd animals such as caribou, pronghorn and perhaps others).
Nonetheless this dude makes his move under the veil of "protecting the environment".
So, I'd say "Yes" it was at least in part, if not entirely intended to harm people like myself.

Might be he doesn't just come out and say it because, he knows there are some serious hunters who also are card carrying Democrats (another logic defying topic) and these might switch to the Hunter and Second Amendment friendly political party, in mas ?
Could be that he's just a liar to the core and simply must lie, because that's what liars do ?
In support of that, I truly believe that ALL politicians are tireless liars, no matter what political party flag they wave.
Could be I am way off and you are spot on, in that Barry perhaps just wanted to "protect the environment".

It matters little because at the end of the day, no matter what his motivation, he is still a bad person who has harmed good persons, because that is what bad people do.

Cheers,
Velo Dog.

Well Velo Dog, I guess I am one of those conundrums you mention - yep - a gun toting, red neck, natural born predator, liberal... but given certain topics, times, and candidates I can flip the other way.

 

[sestoppelman]

I just find it hard get riled up about this. I mostly load Barnes solid copper bullets, don't shot shotgun much, and don't care if the shot is steel or whatever. For home defence I suppose I would just stock up on 00 buck and I'll be good to go. And judging by your avatar thumbnail you don't really give a damn how much ammo costs, you are just going to buy what you like best.

Wow,, as our new president might say, "Nice!" Not one to stand with your fellow shooters are you?

 

[lwaters]

Like about everything Trump done so far. One thing I don't like is his trade talk because believe me us farmers will get screwed good on that. But everyone else will love the cheap food

 

[curtism1234]

Wow,, as our new president might say, "Nice!" Not one to stand with your fellow shooters are you?

Just because people own guns / hunt doesn't mean it's high on their list of priorities for themselves, their family, or society.

Guns and hunting are in the lowest tier for me. To each his own.

 

[LivingTheDream]

Wow! It isn't about me and what I shoot, it's about other hunters and them having the ability/options to shoot and practice. Your response to my answer was "you use Barnes, you don't shoot a shotgun" but what about our other hunters that do. What about the guys that only can only hunt or practice on federal land. I am concerned about those guys that are trying to get into the sport, not about me. Honestly, not that riled up about it, just a dick move from lame duck Ashe on his way out the door. If it was so good for the environment he would have done it sooner.

Also, You assumed I shot the Rhino in my avatar but I darted it. And maybe if you practiced with lead ammo you can save enough money that you can do it to. But I do shoot the best at the animal itself but that is out of respect to the animal.

Now just so I can better understand how a "redneck, gun totting, natural predator" is liberal what causes or issue manners the most to you.

 

[K-man]

I have never understood the ban on lead shot for waterfowl. I have a small pond here at home I can shoot waterfowl on, 90% of the shot will land on the bank on the other side. I can walk around, load up for pheasant with lead #5, shoot towards the pond and 90% of the lead shot will end up in the pond. Both absolutely legal. Some will say, use nontoxic for all but again, why spend $25 a box on upland game hunts, as well as less penetration and greater chance of cripples. Maybe the concentration of hunters on federal land is causing toxic problems in the waterfowl and fish? I know in Yellowstone years ago all lead products for fishing have been banned. Agree, the last day/week in office issue means he didn't have the guts to do it or was afraid of repercussions to the Democratic party. Stupid timing, just like the last minute pardons.

 

[Velo Dog]

Well Velo Dog, I guess I am one of those conundrums you mention - yep - a gun toting, red neck, natural born predator, liberal... but given certain topics, times, and candidates I can flip the other way.

So, you're comfortable voting for the "anti-gun toting, anti-red neck, anti-natural born predator" party ?
Sometimes I find myself accepting the fact that, not all of life's mysteries are solvable.

 

[Rick Cox]

So, you're comfortable voting for the "anti-gun toting, anti-red neck, anti-natural born predator" party ?
Sometimes I find myself accepting the fact that, not all of life's mysteries are solvable.

Holy moly folks! This all started with me stating:
"Do you honestly think this an attack on hunters? More like an over zealous act by a departing beaurocrat concerned for the environment."
I did not say I supported the bill, and no doubt with the current government it should be easy to repeal.
That's the beauty of freedom: we don't have to walk in lock step and toe the party line all the time.

 

[Velo Dog]

Just because people own guns / hunt doesn't mean it's high on their list of priorities for themselves, their family, or society.

Guns and hunting are in the lowest tier for me. To each his own.

Hi curtism1234,

At least your position of; These things are very low on your "list of priorities", does not leave me wondering how in the world you could enjoy gun ownership / hunting and yet vote for the anti-gun / anti-hunting political party.
Thank you for that clarification, because such a stark contradiction of ideas within the same person's mind really was puzzling for me.
The fact that firearm ownership and hunting are evidently not very important to you explains everything.
Far be it from me to insist that you get concerned about people enthusiastically chipping away at your rights.

Go well my friend,
Velo Dog.

 

[Rick Cox]

Hello Rick Cox also I think you are wrong that anti hunting ex head of USFWS directly cut that order to take one last poke at all us hunters before he heads off to his next job more than likely with the Humane society or other such anti- hunting organization. There is no rational scientific study or basis to ban the use of lead shot for hunting on literally millions of acres of federal land. As others said just a nasty trick to make hunters life more complicated, cost more, etc. by Nobama appointee on his way out.

You could well be right about the bill. No way of knowing. If it's a swipe at the hunting community seems ineffectual to me. But I do agree with your last statement. At any rate as I said elsewhere, I doubt it will hard to repeal.

 

[Velo Dog]

Holy moly folks! This all started with me stating:
"Do you honestly think this an attack on hunters? More like an over zealous act by a departing beaurocrat concerned for the environment."
I did not say I supported the bill, and no doubt with the current government it should be easy to repeal.
That's the beauty of freedom: we don't have to walk in lock step and toe the party line all the time.

Yes, I do honestly think this is an attack on hunters (It was apparently his final move as CEO of the Anti-Hunting Party ... even I can connect those two dots).
Pretty clear you dig on Barry's actions in general and by the way you seem to favor that nut, I'd presume that you're all for quite a bit of the left's other shenanigans as well.
So it's too late for your damage control amigo.
That being said, I am glad you're a member here and if we ever cross paths, I would be very pleased to buy you a cold one.

 

[Rick Cox]

Yes, I do honestly think this is an attack on hunters (he's essentially the former CEO of the Anti-Hunting Party ... even I can connect those two dots).
Pretty clear you dig on Barry's actions in general and by what you write, I'd say much the rest of the left's shenanigans as well.
So it's too late for your damage control amigo.
That being said, I am glad you're a member here and if we ever cross paths, I would be very pleased to buy you a cold one.

No damage to control. Honestly don't know who 'Barry' is. Just trying to keep this conversation on point and avoid veiled insults. But thanks for the offer of a beer. I'd be happy to take you up on that, if the chance arises.

 

[Velo Dog]

No damage to control. Honestly don't know who 'Barry' is. Just trying to keep this conversation on point and avoid veiled insults. But thanks for the offer of a beer. I'd be happy to take you up on that, if the chance arises.

I am a smartass, totally guilty on that one.
Furthermore, I apologize if I poured it on too thick (I mean that).
Beer's on my bank account if we ever cross paths.
In that event, it would be my great pleasure to meet you.

 

[lwaters]

Just because people own guns / hunt doesn't mean it's high on their list of priorities for themselves, their family, or society.

Guns and hunting are in the lowest tier for me. To each his own.

If your broke or have a income loss what are you going to do cut out your hobby. Mexico is they third largest importer of American agriculture products behind the EU and China believe me it don't look good for us.

 

[sestoppelman]

No damage to control. Honestly don't know who 'Barry' is. Just trying to keep this conversation on point and avoid veiled insults. But thanks for the offer of a beer. I'd be happy to take you up on that, if the chance arises.

Don't know who Barry is? Right....

 

[sestoppelman]

Just because people own guns / hunt doesn't mean it's high on their list of priorities for themselves, their family, or society.

Guns and hunting are in the lowest tier for me. To each his own.

Odd that a guy who considers guns and hunting lowest tier has been to Africa and spends time on a hunting site.

 

[Rick Cox]

Don't know who Barry is? Right....

I didn't really... figured it out later.

 

[curtism1234]

Odd that a guy who considers guns and hunting lowest tier has been to Africa and spends time on a hunting site.

Just some of the things that are important to me:
A stable job where you can work safely and get paid a fair wage for hours worked
Quality and affordable health care
Quality and affordable schools
A sustainable retirement

To me (and I'm not looking to debate because that's just one huge rabbit hole), it's the democratic and the other left US political parties that 1) cares more about the success of all members of our society and 2) offers policy positions I agree with. Now of course there's things I disagree with, but I invoke Reagan's 80% rule.


and are some of my hobbies that I'm able to do because I enjoy it and can afford it because what's listed above puts me in a good place. If laws change that alter those hobbies, then I'll go and . While I would be , it's no biggie because what's most important is the overall economic stability of my family and country.

 

[Bhfs300]

I am also confused is "Barry"?
Barry Goldwater?

 

[curtism1234]

Bill "Bubba" Clinton
George "Dubya" Bush
Barack "Barry" Obama

Essentially nicknames, some meant derogatory