Muzzle break or no?

[Papabear55]

Use a brake at the range or when out having fun. Should the rifle find its way to Africa, ditch the brake for a thread protector.

Ten pounds, give or take, is VERY light for an all-out .577 NE. But hey, since when has the endeavor been practical? Never. Nevertheless, at such a weight you will need a brake for casual “plinking” at the range.

As it is, ssk has done this conversion quite a few times from what i gather, and you don't see them for sale very often online. Makes me think that maybe they do a damn good job with their recoil management devices, including that coil recoil pad or whatever its called that they use. Its like a spring loaded recoil pad or something like that. But from the handful or reviews on 577s theyve done in the past on the no1 frame it apparently makes the rifle easy to shoot and handle. That is with their muzzle brake of course. They said that without it, its quite the handful

 

[Papabear55]

Brake or not, I'd shoot this rifle just as much either way. As much as my wallet could afford. Recoil isn't that big of an issue, but if it can be lessened to a degree thatd make the break worth it, then why wouldnt i do it? I made this post to see if the brake would be worth having put on there or not, seeing as this is a step up in the recoil levels past where I've been before. I've never fired anything, from the shoulder, bigger than the 458 lott or assorted muzzle loaders

 

[sestoppelman]

I hate muzzle "breaks" or BRAKE's properly! All kind of extra noise and hurricane blast for what? The recoil hurts me.. boo hoo. If a rifle needs a brake to be shootable, get something that recoils less until you build up some tolerance or toughness. Brakes, UGH!!

 

[ack]

Any PH doesn't want to hunt with my break can go to hell!..I'm paying the bill..Been twice and they stick their fingers in their ears anyway...Never had a word said..

 

[matt85]

Any PH doesn't want to hunt with my break can go to hell!..I'm paying the bill..Been twice and they stick their fingers in their ears anyway...Never had a word said..

@ack that takes the cake for selfish posts! i feel sorry for any one that hunts with you (hope you tip well).

@Papabear55 as you can see there will be plenty of mixed opinions on muzzle brakes. i personally do not like them and share @sestoppelman opinion on either dealing with the recoil or using a different firearm.

as for the plan of a 10lb 577 NE... i dont like it. i would personally pass on this gun and look for an alternative option.

-matt

 

[Anthony George]

I say go for it !!

If that's what you want and can afford it then great work

As per the weight issue
Build the rifle to what you want and if it thumps a bit much then change it till it does

As a side note, mate and I built 577 2 3/4s on Martini actions

His is 6 1/2 lbs and he PHKN loves it
So that's a 650grner with 128grns of 09 for 1975 fps over chrony

Great carry around rifle and smashes everything out to 125

 

[Milehighshooter]

Good Lord how many times does he have to say this rifle is NOT BEING BUILT FOR AFRICA AND GUIDED HUNTS before every one jumps to respond without reading?!

FFS!

The OP wants a toy, this toy, and wants it built this way. He wants a gun built for an ELEPHANT CARTRIDGE, he is NOT building an ELEPHANT GUN for hunting elephant!

Go ahead with the brake, SSK knows their stuff extremely well, they are a fine outfit and do amazing work, especially in the large-bordering-on-silly rounds. For your intended purpose with the rifle, a brake is just fine.

 

[Papabear55]

Good Lord how many times does he have to say this rifle is NOT BEING BUILT FOR AFRICA AND GUIDED HUNTS before every one jumps to respond without reading?!

FFS!

The OP wants a toy, this toy, and wants it built this way. He wants a gun built for an ELEPHANT CARTRIDGE, he is NOT building an ELEPHANT GUN for hunting elephant!

Go ahead with the brake, SSK knows their stuff extremely well, they are a fine outfit and do amazing work, especially in the large-bordering-on-silly rounds. For your intended purpose with the rifle, a brake is just fine.

Thank you for understanding lol, now if i ever got the chance to hunt an elephant with the rifle i would, but i don't see it happening any time soon

 

[Papabear55]

Than

I say go for it !!

If that's what you want and can afford it then great work

As per the weight issue
Build the rifle to what you want and if it thumps a bit much then change it till it does

As a side note, mate and I built 577 2 3/4s on Martini actions

His is 6 1/2 lbs and he PHKN loves it
So that's a 650grner with 128grns of 09 for 1975 fps over chrony

Great carry around rifle and smashes everything out to 125

Thanks for the support!

 

[Milehighshooter]

Build the rifle you want to shoot and have fun with TODAY, not some future dream that may or may not happen 10 years from now. Hell 10 years from now there might not be any open hunting anyways. Don't let that stop you from putting a smile on your face now!

 

[Milehighshooter]

To add on, it still might be too light. But that is as simple as drilling a few holes in the butt and filling it with lead/epoxy. If anything, it'll likely balance that sewer pipe of a barrel out front

 

[IvW]

In the process of getting my 577 nitro built on a no1 action. The finished rifle will weigh just shy of 10lbs. The smith, ssk industries, recommends the muzzle break in such a light rifle. I'm usually apposed to muzzle breaks but feel that maybe it'd be necessary in this case? I'm sure i could learn to shoot it without one, i shoot this rifle currently in 458 lott with full loads off the bench on a somewhat regular basis. Whats ya'lls opinions and experiences?

Oh man that thing is gonna break your shoulder @ 10 lbs!!

Muzzle breaks are a pain.

458 Lott is nothing compared to 577!!

 

[IvW]

Let me try and talk some sense into what you want to do.

Find somebody who owns a .577 3' and even if you have to pay them, make a plan to shoot it. You will very quickly realise what you are up against.

I have shot 577 NE before in a double, despite the weight of the rifle the recoil is just too much.

I use a 500 Jeff loaded with 570 grn bullets @ 2350 fps out of a 11 1/2 lb rifle, all the power I have ever needed in a very manageable package.

Getting a falling block action up to the weight required and the balance and fit right is not going to be an easy task.

A 10 lb rifle in this caliber, well it aint gonna work, period. No amount of muzzle breaking etc. will manage the recoil if the rifle is too light by 80%!!

It is not only the recoil but also the torque created by the rifling in the barrel that will be an issue. The rifle is going to want to twist out of your hands.

Rethink your project and consider the 500 3 1/4 NE. Cases and bullets are freely available. In a good falling block you can exceed the standard loads by quite a bit.

You will have a practical rifle that you could actually use and more than enough wow factor to boot.

You will have a rifle that you could use on any African DG if you get to that point.

A rifle built for one of the classic NE cartridges should well look like a classic rifle. Not some space cadet thing with a recoil pad that looks like a prosthesis and a stupid muzzle break on the front.

Build a classic style rifle on a practical NE caliber.

As for some advice above, it clearly comes from folks who have no clue about the 577 3" NE cartridge or what it takes to build a rifle to accommodate it.

As for muzzle brakes, well if you need one on your rifle, you probably need to step down in caliber as you cannot handle the one you are using and sending a PH to hell if he does not like them, well none do neither do the trackers and they probably only hunt with you to take your $$$ and with that attitude probably discuss what an arsehole you are long after you left(I know you probably don't give a rats arse anyway what they think).

Be sensible and build a practical rifle.

If it still has to be a 577 NE, then go back to the drawing board and get a experienced gunsmith to help you design it from the bottom up.

Good luck.

 

[Milehighshooter]

Why does every one assume he has to run full power loads on a RANGE TOY?

I calculate 53 ft-lbs of recoil with a starting range load and a 10lbs gun. Yea, that kicks, pretty damn good. But its not going to separate your arm from your torso

 

[sestoppelman]

Good Lord how many times does he have to say this rifle is NOT BEING BUILT FOR AFRICA AND GUIDED HUNTS before every one jumps to respond without reading?!

FFS!

The OP wants a toy, this toy, and wants it built this way. He wants a gun built for an ELEPHANT CARTRIDGE, he is NOT building an ELEPHANT GUN for hunting elephant!

Go ahead with the brake, SSK knows their stuff extremely well, they are a fine outfit and do amazing work, especially in the large-bordering-on-silly rounds. For your intended purpose with the rifle, a brake is just fine.

Did you happen to notice the OP's title? Its in the form of a question I believe.... Muzzle "break" or no? Which if I am not mistaken means he was asking for member input. If one doesn't want others opinions on his project then he shouldn't ask for opinions on it? Nor should anyone else feel compelled to defend said OP for getting answers that might not necessarily support his aims. I think the OP understood this perfectly, perhaps others not so much?

 

[Milehighshooter]

Did you happen to notice the OP's title? Its in the form of a question I believe.... Muzzle "break" or no? Which if I am not mistaken means he was asking for member input. If one doesn't want others opinions on his project then he shouldn't ask for opinions on it? Nor should anyone else feel compelled to defend said OP for getting answers that might not necessarily support his aims. I think the OP understood this perfectly, perhaps others not so much?

My point is you instantly assume brake with hunting. And everyone else in the thread went off on HUNTING with a brake. He said maybe some day far off he might be able to hunt DG. But, the replies saw "brake" in the title and went straight to posting instead of trying to get a feel for what the OP wants. Who gives 2 poops about a brake at a range??

 

[Papabear55]

Unfortunately from what ssk has told me is that they dont want to build a no1 without the muzzle brake because of the risk of a cracked stock. Thats what i was told today anyways. Id personally prefer not to have a brake, if anything, because i make fun of my friends when they use brakes on their 338 win mags and such lol. And i find them obnoxiously loud myself. But if i must have one then i may end up doing it. I appreciate everyones input lol. Now to find another no1 in 500 nitro

 

[IvW]

Why does every one assume he has to run full power loads on a RANGE TOY?

I calculate 53 ft-lbs of recoil with a starting range load and a 10lbs gun. Yea, that kicks, pretty damn good. But its not going to separate your arm from your torso

Why would you go to all the trouble and expense of building a 577 NE 3" and then load wimpy loads? You also cannot slowly work up from there because your rifle @ 10 lbs cannot do it, period.

Just buy an old Martini Henry then and be done with it.

You clearly have no idea what a 577 NE 3" with full power loads in a 10lb falling block is going to do to you recoil wise. You will survive the first shot at best, the stock may not neither will your shoulder.

I am curious, have you ever shot a 577 NE 3" with factory loads?

 

[Milehighshooter]

Again, why do you assume it only has to be full power? He clearly stated this is for fun. Why does fun have to be nothing but the highest possible power?

 

[Milehighshooter]

And no, I have not. And the OP never stated this gun was for factory full power loads. Open your mind a bit and read, remember shooting is supposed to be fun, not just for the purpose of hunting DG