#102
@375Ruger416
When you distribute
dislike's, you should also post why !
...but I'm not offended, I am used to it when it comes to cartridges and bullets.
I am going to speculate
grand veneur, that
375Ruger416's comment is an example of .460 Wby copy / paste, read & repeat, dislike.......
The simplest way to test this hypothesis would be to change the statement with:
"A double lung shot with a 375 H&H Magnum cartridge is not comparable to a double lung shot with a .458 Lott cartridge, assuming the use of the same kind of bullet."
With the "culturally correct" bad-mouthing of the Weatherby taken out of the mix, I just can't wait to hear someone argue that a double lung shot with a 375 H&H is more effective on Buff than a double lung shot with a .458 Lott, assuming the use of the same kind of bullet
And since we are at it, people actually in the know do not confuse the .378 Wby with the .460 Wby when it comes to Weatherby cartridges reputation in Africa. The bad reputation generally came from the .378 Wby due to its fearsome recoil (much faster and more brutal than the .460 Wby) and mostly from its unnecessary and actually counterproductive (in terms of bullets of those days performance) hyper velocity.
And it is factual that this bad reputation is justified, and was richly earned by a bunch of American first time safari goers showing up in Africa with the fearsome .378 Wby (which HAD to be better than the .375 H&H, right!?!?!?), and scaring (and scarring
) themselves to death every time they pulled the trigger, hence leading to miss-the-barn-from-the-inside deplorable accuracy (or lack thereof), hence lost game, as we all agree that shot placement is indeed THE critical factor.
The .460 Wby is a well respected, extremely effective cartridge, actually favored by a number of PHs, and not all that fearsome to shoot from a reasonable weight rifle. It is interesting to note that the recent .450 Rigby, which is factually an unbelted .460 Wby*, is de facto a detuned .460 Wby (450 gr at 2,400 fps instead of 500 gr at 2,550 fps from a 24" barrel), and the .458 Lott rides in between them with 500 gr at 2,300 fps.
* Roy created his large case by belting the .416 Rigby (the parent case for the .450 Rigby), and for many years .460 Wby cases' belts were turned off by folks reloading the .416 Rigby.
Do not interpret the above as me advocating for the .460 Wby to be the best caliber for Africa, as its recoil is indeed above, and often considerably above, the tolerance threshold of most hunters, leading to poor shooting, but
for those who can shoot it well, and there are a number of folks who can, the .460 Wby is indeed an awesome cartridge which has CONSIDERABLY more knockdown effect on Buffalo (and everything else) than the .375 H&H. Arguing against this would be silly
As for the many who cannot shoot the .460 Wby reliably, a .375 H&H is certainly a better choice, and for many of us, the .458 Lott seems a happy medium, not to mention the availability of ammo, and the ever present backup solution of being able to shoot common-as-African-dirt .458 Win
As to the original question: my own Buff medicine is TSX 500 gr, which I consider as a dual purpose expanding solid, from, you guessed it, .458 Lott loaded at full house, and no I do not use modern solids on Buff, it is just too risky for a client, but I can see the rationale for a PH who wants to punch out of the brisket a backup shot sent up the rear end... (and who does not worry about paying a trophy fee if he kills accidentally a second Buff ).
