Missing Trophies

Good day everyone
This is a very sensitive subject as the problem relates to a well know Outfitter here on AH and unfortunately he has passed on to better hunting fields.
Those who know me also know that before moving from South Africa I use to run a Outfitting business and PH quite a bit, after I left, I continued to send and still send clients off to hunt in SA.
Over a year ago I sent a group of 6 hunters over to hunt with Paw Print Safaris and all went well. I was assured by both Paw Print and the clients that the hunt was satisfactory and all bills where settled before my clients left.
Animals hunted where Zebra, Blesbuck, Impala and a Sable Bull.
3 months before Pieter's untimely and tragic passing I received a message from him to say that he has had contact with the clients and that he cannot find their trophies, which came as a shock to me. He said that I should not worry as he would take care of the problem and find them.
Unfortunately up to today those trophies remain missing. I have talked to the PH's and they assure me that the paperwork was done and the trophies delivered into Paw Prints salt room. I have also learned from one of the PH's that a taxidermist that handled Paw Prints work has closed down and many clients are missing Trophies, I have yet to confirm this.
I have sent messages to Paw Print without success.
It also seems that Paw Print used several taxidermists over a period of a year so if anyone can tell me which ones I would appreciate it.
This thread is not about bad mouthing anyone, but about a real problem clients and I am sitting with after spending a lot of time and money on a hunt.
Any assistance with this would be greatly appreciated.
Good day
My name is Andries Brits from Still Life Taxidermy. PawPrint started to use me as of end March 2019. I have been contacted by several pH's with regards to these missing trophies.
I must state that these trophies were not delivered to me.
I contacted SATTA in this regard and they send a mail to all their members but to date no taxidermist/tannery knows about these missing trophies.
I must also confirm that Jan Els did close down shop and that 2 other clients trophies were dropped off at my premises to be exported thru my company.
In October 2019 I picked up the last trophies at Pieters place, there were still alot of trophies/hides left that had to go to different taxidermists.
About six weeks ago I spoke to the farm owner, regarding some off my mounts that is at Kiepersol and he told me that the farm is under lock and nothing is leaving his farm ( maybe the trophies is still in the salt room ? )
I must also state that we contact a client within 48 hiurs since we receive the trophies from the outfitter.
For any futher queries I can be contacted at taxidermy.brits@gmail.com
 
Thanks for the update Andries! I know you have mine from 2019 and, although they are only euros, I’m looking forward to see how they come out.
Best
Phil
 
Sounds like the poop is getting deeper! Man I hope everyone involved gets resolution soon.
 
Hunted with paw Print back in Sept. 2018 and Pieter was still using Jan as of then. We had no problems getting our things back. That said, even though Pieter is gone, we never would have hunted there again and regret ever going in the first place. Hope this gets straightened out, but somehow feel it will not. I have a gut feeling Pieter was not the most trustworthy businessman.
 
Messaged the sister again today but no answer.



Has anyone contacted the farms where the clients hunted? If Pieter did not pay the landowners, then they would not have released the trophies.

If there are still trophies at the farms in the salt sheds with names on them, perhaps for a token payment, the landowner would release the trophies to a taxidermist.

Would it be possible for you to publish contact information for the owners of:

Kiepersol Farm

Reitzdale

van Wyk's buffalo camp

Any other farm that you know that Pieter used


Perhaps this would allow some people to get their trophies if they are still at the farms.
 
Glad to hear that. My buffalo hide was suppose to be tanned hair off so I could make a cartridge belt. It wasn’t.
He switched my croc skull while it was at the shipper claiming it needed repair. The one I received is awful and maybe 4” shorter than mine.
It appears he has either changed the name and website and Facebook, or has shut down.
Meeting him and his wife, they were very nice, polite and seemed trustworthy, but my experience has been pretty negative so far.
Hopefully everyone else’s will be better.

I personally think I will no longer have anything done in Africa because of this bad experience.
Sorry to hear this.
Tom
 
Don't know how others operate or if it's always feasible but we have always accompanied our trophies to the taxidermist. They were checked in with all the required outfitter paperwork, signed by the hunters and outfitter and we then sat down with the taxidermist to state how we wanted them done, e.g full body, euro, shoulder, left, right, 30 degrees, 45 degrees, sneak, etc.
Having said that and with our experience, I'm having trouble wrapping my head around leaving a camp with the hope the trophies are properly forwarded and mounted as desired.
 
Big steaming mess.

The Executor/Executrix is the one who will have to sort this out.

It is a time honoured tradition for trophies to be held hostage until full payment is made.
It is the farms only leverage to get payment.
 
The problem is knowing what farms were hunted.

On my safari we hunted 3 different farms and I have no idea of who's they were. I met a couple of owners but we used first names only.
 
That statement by pronshooter is concerning. I never met Pieter but the league’s of satisfied clients here on AH would have me think he was a legitimate business owner, but who knows.
 
That statement by pronshooter is concerning. I never met Pieter but the league’s of satisfied clients here on AH would have me think he was a legitimate business owner, but who knows.

There were signs and rumblings over time ....

As far as the reports go you're right, there were many good ones. There were a few negative ones too. There were also ones that it seemed to be more interesting with what wasn't in them, or small comments made. And most PP customers seemed to be first timers and didn't go back. Yes, there were certainly some repeat customers but most seemed to go elsewhere for that second trip.

And mostly good reports sure doesn't mean all customers were satisfied. Its not easy to write a negative report here. Trust me, I know! :eek: I still believe they should be written by the way, with facts. Perspective clients have a right to see the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Reasons someone would keep their mouth shut over a bad experience:
  1. Fear of getting roasted by the "satisfied customers" loyal to the brand
  2. Too prideful to admit they hadn't made the best choice and that they "got suckered"
  3. Truly not understanding that they hadn't gotten what they should have (back to being a first timer without experience)
  4. Combination of any of the above
At the end of the day it certainly doesnt seem like PawPrint Safaris will continue to do business, but if it does, BUYER BEWARE.
 
One of the reasons, that would only deal with an outfitter that actually owns the property and not leases in RSA.

It seems a stupid thing to say. You are basically implying that some of the oldest and most reputable outfitters in Southern Africa are not to be dealt with, because they do not own property. I can think of at least two outfitters in KwaZulu Natal who had to sell their farms to government land claims, and still continue to produce top quality hunts.

Likewise it implies that an outfitter’s credibility goes up as soon as he purchases property, even if it is 700ha of high fenced land, 5 miles out of town with a few animals on.

Personally I would much rather hunt with an outfit leasing property, or with consessions all over the country, in order to hunt animals in their natural habitat, rather than deal with an outfit that has the extra incentive to have as many animals shot on his property as possible, irrespective if it is a “put & take” scenario.
 
I have hunted 2 times with Pawprint, and would go back again. What you see is what you get/got. No luxury pretend "wild Africa" but a week of good hunting with good people, decent food and decent accomodation.
All animals were taken back to Balule, if hunted nearby all butchering were done there, when we hunted in Limpopo skulls and hides were brought back to Balule and the meat dropped off at a butchers shop.
 
This is the biggest failing of the African Safari industry. After the Safari is done and you’ve paid the customer service stops in many cases.
I am sorry for the unfortunate situation with the owners passing. This should never happen and I don’t know what to tell people except to hunt with real professionals who have a track record of taking care of clients trophies.
Philip

I have hunted Africa 2 times. In 2015 with Africa Maximum and in 2019 with Spear Safaris. Both hunts were very good experiences. I learned what I liked and what was not so great ( like small properties) .
Both times I utilized Trophy Solutions to dip and pack and expedite my shipments back to the U.S. . THIS COMPANY IS EXCELLENT. My trophies were shipped in 90 days both times and communication is excellent.
My advice is to avoid variables that have the potential to damage your experience.
 
That statement by pronshooter is concerning. I never met Pieter but the league’s of satisfied clients here on AH would have me think he was a legitimate business owner, but who knows.
Johnny,
I did not write a hunt report after our 2018 trip with Paw Print, maybe I should have, but honestly it never felt like a "hunt". It seems a bit ill on my part to do so now considering Pieter's passing. I had no problems with him, he treated us fairly and all our animals arrived here in the states just fine. Our problems came with the hunting, or maybe what I should call shooting fish in a barrel. Just not my style and it did not sit well with my wife. The accommodations were so so. The cook, Claudius was a great guy from Zimbabwe and was thrilled that I could speak a bit of Shona. Dogs barking all night long made it hard to sleep. When we arrived in camp there was already a group of people there from Norway, really nice folks. The first moment they had without any of Pieter's people around, they gave us the low down and were not happy with the outfit and would not be back again. Small properties, being asked if I wanted to shoot animals in small enclosures. A tracker that, though a great guy that I got along with, could not track a Mastodon in a fresh snow.
The items that really made me uneasy about Pieter and our so called PH were the issues concerning our interactions with Stephen our tracker. I would get out and open gates, speak to Stephen as if he was a human being, laugh and crack jokes, generally treat him like I would anyone else. That did not sit well with the PH, to bad I gave no shits. When I was first introduced to Stephen he was wearing tattered tennis shoes. One day coming back to camp I had our PH stop at the sporting goods store and got Stephen a decent pair of boots. I found out later that the PH told Pieter that Stephen had pestered me to buy him the boots, that was an outright lie, he never knew what we were doing. Pieter took the cost of the boots out of Stephens pay. Fine give the money back to me, don't stick it in your damn pocket.
Our PH never sent us the photos he took, like he promised. I too had seen many good reports here and even spoke with Paw Prints US rep and all sounded good. It just was not hunting by my standards. The final straw was being driven around and around the property surrounding Pieter's new home for 3 days in a row chasing the only 2 Gemsbok on the property. Drove the same roads endlessly, saw the same 6 Zebra several times a day, it was like Groundhog day. We did work our asses of and finally on the last day caught both Gemsbok out in the open.
Best thing that came out of our trip is our continuing friendship with Stephen. We Whats app each other weekly and last year in Johannesburg he and his family were able to come to the City lodge hotel and spend the evening with us on our way to Zimbabwe. We got he and his family a couple of rooms and took them to dinner. It was a treat to see his kids really enjoying the meal, their reactions told me it was something they did not do often. The trip was not a total write off, but if I could go back we would have spent the money elsewhere, as long as I could have still crossed paths with Stephen.

John
P.S. The reason I keep referring to the PH, as the "so called PH"was his constant bragging about how good he was. Told me of the time he spent in Zim, and Moz. as an appy. Then promptly turns around and brags how he has never had to carry a gun while being a PH. You show me an appy PH in ZIm or Moz that does not have to carry a gun. I got a talking to on our first trip to Zim for walking away without my rifle. Sorry if this is off topic for this thread, just finally got to the point where I needed to get this off my chest. I have never referred to this particular trip as a hunting trip when talking to others about it. I call it a shooting trip.
 
I’ve spoken to several people who reached out to me after seeing my post you quoted. And yes it would seem Pieters reputation amongst other PH’s vs clients were quite different. Several years ago I had spoken Pieters then U.S. rep many many times in regards to a buffalo hunt. His description of the hunt the man the experience would be something of a heavenly experience, luckily at the last moment I changed my mind and hunted with another well known sponsor here and couldn’t have been more pleased. I’m really sorry to hear this story and it would appear your not alone. If nothing else it shows how fragile even this web site on Africa ( that I love) could be and that we could be deceived in someways. Luckily I believe and hope the majority of sponsors here deliver the ultimate experience we all deserve and desire when we spend our hard earned dollars to hunt that wonderful country for sportsman and women.
 
My two cents: No outfitter should ever lose trophies that were shot legally and paid for by the client. It’s bad business.

It happen to me over 10 years ago and I’m still bitter about it! Get your affairs in order, have some organizational skills and lastly remember hunting is not a cheap activity that can easily be written off with a stroke of a pen!
 
Wow...as a newbie to safari thing, this is good to know. When I go to RSA next year for my first safari, I will insist on meeting the taxidermist that will work on my trophies and ensure delivery of my trophies to the taxidermist. It seems like that will at least cut out one potential weak link in the process.

BTW I don't know who Pieter was but let his soul RIP.

Regards,
 

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