Mine or Theirs?

Exactly. In today’s environment, things can change and I sometimes finish a safari early. I text my wife on my InReach or use my sat phone to get a direct message to Gracy from a remote camp. Gracy then changes my itinerary, which is something I can’t do from a remote camp very easily. Gracy is also on the watch for changes made by the airlines or governments that I wouldn’t even hear about in camp or even at home. I don’t like surprises.
I've never flown internationally, but when your African trip costs thousands, paying a few hundred extra dollars to an experienced travel agency is well worth it in my opinion. FUBAR can/will happen and I want to be able to call somebody to help me out of the mess. If your DIY, I can see a myriad of nightmare scenarios while you're stuck in a foreign country trying to contact a human being at an airline number because your flight home got messed up. No thanks!
 
I took my own rifle on my first hunt to Africa and we had two flight changes before we got to Joberg. At each airport we talked to the folks at the gate and they checked and told us that both pieces of our luggage was on the flight. At Joberg it was up to us to retrieve our baggage and rifles and recheck them with the assistance of the nice folks at Air2000.

On my upcoming trip this June I thought about using a camp rifle, but then I thought about it and decided to take my own again. Why? because I know how it shoots and I want to. This year we will be using Rifle Permits.com for the SAP's forms to whisk us through the process in Joberg.

My first trip I used Travel Express and gave them a 5 star performance, this year we are using TWG and I am sure that by the time we are done they will get that 5 star rating from me.

My best advise to flying with firearms is to take the most direct route, do not go through gun unfriendly states or countries even if some say that it is a piece of cake. I flew threw JFK in New York and had zero problems since by baggage was checked through. I came back through Dulles and the only problem was a young new Customs officer who was not old enough to shave yet, at every step he had to check with one of the other officers and it seamed like it took forever to get through.
 
Phillip Percival .470 was a Rigby was a beautiful box lock, sold.
Rigby .450 Rising bite, sold. Tears shed!
 
I have taken my rifles each trip and plan on doing every trip. It’s just part of the experience. Do your homework and use a travel agent. It’s that simple. Fly gun friendly airlines and as few connecting flights as possible as I see it. My Ph does have excellent rifles, but I prefer my own. I did use my PHs Custom Musgrave 243 on one hunt. We went for SpringBuck and my smallest caliber I had with me was 375HH and the shot would be farther than I wanted to try with it.
 
Some strange information being shared in this thread. There are many could happens when traveling but the chances of anything big happening are remote, especially when using professional gun runners, aka experienced and specialized hunting travel agents and their contacts on the other side, like Bruce from Gracy, and dealing with airlines who DO NOT want to lose your firearm. I spent about 3 minutes dealing with SAPS in RSA upon arrival thanks to Bruce, then took my guns to my room. About 10 minutes the next morning due to export paperwork. I certainly never worried about domestic issues. O'hare was an absolute breeze. Namibia was easy and the airline attendant was super helpful and made sure my guns were on the plane.

Take your rifle. You deserve it, the rifle deserves it and the animals deserve it. Taking something like a WR on safari is an absolute dream of mine. I have personally never heard of anybody's firearms being permanently lost.
 
I‘m not exactly a daredevil. I sure don’t want to get stuck overseas. But I traveled to Zimbabwe last September and had zero problems. We’ll, except for getting arrested at the Harare airport for not wearing a mask OUTSIDE the terminal. That was actually @jeff 505’s fault. He has shifty eyes and attracts police scrutiny. Cost us both $20 American. Just go already!
I found your arrest paperwork in my travel folder, I will bring it to our next meeting along with my shifty eyes.
 
@JPmbogo the question is more nuanced than “yours or theirs”.

I know that “yours” = not trash. High quality, reliable, well serviced rifles.

The problem comes in when we discuss “theirs”. Very few PHs client rifles meet the standards of an American safari hunter. Most PHs do not really know how to service weapons, or look after them. In many countries, you can count the amateur gunsmiths on one hand and the odds that any minor malady ever reached them before it became a major malady is more likely than not.

Certainly, there are exceptions to this rule, but you’d need to know a lot about them. My first PH assured me that his rifles were up to snuff and when I got there, I honestly would have pulled his license if I could have. Broken stock, ammo topped-off so many times the bullets spilled their powder in the action, zero bluing remaining on the whole gun, hadn’t cleaned it in a decade. His “client rifle” I sh&t you not was some 30-06 Remington of his grandfathers that preceded the model 700 and again, zero exaggeration, the trigger pull was about 15lbs. It also featured a low comb stock, 1.5” tall aluminum rings, a Tasco 4x fixed that had the seals blown, and the top of the rings had iron sights on them! Just an extreme example of how bad things can be.

As to you traveling with your own guns, it depends where you’re going and who you’re flying. I just went to TSA for a fresh 4457 earlier this week. I then applied directly myself with emirates for my rifle permission to fly permits, they were approved 4 hours later via email. (They used to say 30 days, now they say 3 days…but still, 4 hours is awesome) The only remaining rifle permit I need is Shall-Issue upon entry into Zimbabwe.

If you’re flying from USA via Emirates to Zim, i‘d say you’re crazy not to bring the guns you love and trust Since doing your own permits is so darned easy.

If you’re flying elsewhere using another carrier, it all depends.
I used a borrowed rifle once- in Argentina. I checked zero before going afield. After a few days stalking I clean missed a red stag at les than 100 yards. Checked zero again when I got back to the lodge. 2 feet off at 100 yards. When I tried to re-zero, there were no clicks, just a thing to turn to adjust the scope. Clearly no particular mechanism to hold the adjusters in place.
On the other hand, my son used our PHs rifle on our last hunt in Namibia and it was a great rifle.

Bottom line is bring your own rifle unless you know for damn sure what you are getting yourself into. And then bring your own rifle anyway- if you aren’t going to use it, what’s the point in owning it?
 
It seems that hopefully this Covid mess is slowly easing. Consequently, if we can get to the point with no airline mask requirements, I will seriously consider one last African hunt (been twice, and am smiling at 76). Only want a couple of buff. All that said, here's my thread discussion. I will probably take the WR. She deserves one last hunt - I guess like me. However, I keep hearing horror stories about traveling with guns and would hate to lose her. Therefore, the thought crosses my mind about making arrangements to use PH client rifles, assuming they have them available. Now, before anyone gets too serious about responding, I am throwing this out for, shall we say a philosophical discussion only. I am sure the Westley will get the job.
@JPmbogo
I travelled with 2 rifles in one case pre covid as Nd had no problems. As LL paperwork was done beforehand so it was a simple matter of confirming the rifles are as stated at the start, middle due to another country and final destination . All polite and courteous dealings with no hassle
Bob
 
Well, if it's business class on Qatar you'll most likely have to take out a loan for the ticket(s)! I was quoted $8k for business class last November when I subsequently booked economy for my PG hunt this June. Maybe it was just that flight or maybe I was unlucky, but I've heard both their and other airlines have raised ticket prices for first/business class. I'm glad I'm going this year!
@CoElkHunter
If you are a bigger person in cattle class just pay a bit extra for an exit seat. Heaps more legroom. In the event of an emergency you just have to assist people of the plane.
Make sure you are the first to show them how the drive works
Bob
 
I'm a bigger guy and have found that sitting in aisle seats works quite well. At least you can stretch one leg out.

You just have to be aware of traffic going up and down the aisle
 
I'm a bigger guy and have found that sitting in aisle seats works quite well. At least you can stretch one leg out.

You just have to be aware of traffic going up and down the aisle
@JimP
Tried that but got woken very abruptly when the beverage cart hits you in the shins. That's why I like the exit seats
 
if all this bullshit with covid has taught us the last 2 years, is dont delay, dont wait till next season. get out there and live the adventures, have the experiences you dream about, have fun and take your own guns......who knows what tomorrow holds

looking forward
 
if all this bullshit with covid has taught us the last 2 years, is dont delay, dont wait till next season. get out there and live the adventures, have the experiences you dream about, have fun and take your own guns......who knows what tomorrow holds

looking forward
Man, you got that right. Pre=virus, went to our yearly family reunion, cousin there same age as me recently retired, laughing, talking, pitching horseshoes. Next year he was there in a wheel chair, Lou Gherig's disease (ALS), died before the next reunion.
 
if all this bullshit with covid has taught us the last 2 years, is dont delay, dont wait till next season. get out there and live the adventures, have the experiences you dream about, have fun and take your own guns......who knows what tomorrow holds

looking forward

Very well said and true!!
That is why I pulled the trigger on another 21 day adventure again for 2022! Life is short and we don’t know what future holds.
 
Until I read this thread I thought Courtney Selous had it tough!
 
if all this bullshit with covid has taught us the last 2 years, is dont delay, dont wait till next season. get out there and live the adventures, have the experiences you dream about, have fun and take your own guns......who knows what tomorrow holds

looking forward
A few years ago, my mother asked me why I am still going to Africa on a regular basis. My answer was "I am in my 60s now, I probably have only ten years or so of elephant hunting left in me before my body gives out."

Covid and the other stuff emphasizes the old saying: "Live today for tomorrow we die"

On their death bed most people regret, not things they have done, but things they have never got around to doing.
 
I’ve gone both ways. If dangerous game is in the mix I will always take my own rifles as I don’t want to get in a shootout with Buffalo and an unfamiliar rifle! On my couple of plainsgame safaris I used outfitters rifles, on the first they had good Sako rifles with Swarovski scopes and very accurate. On my second we hunted 2 areas and 2 different rifles, the first was a very old CZ with a Leopold scope the second was a Brno with what looked like the very first leopold to ever come off of the assembly line but also extremely accurate. The problem with the second rifle was the extractor was broken and you had to bull the spent round by hand . Luckily all my kills were 1 shot. The safety was also “backwards” pull back to fire and push up for safe, luckily I have a .410 shotgun with the same function so it wasn’t totally foreign to me.
 
Book with an experienced travel agent like Travel Express.
Fly with as few stops as possible on a gun friendly airline.
Use a gun handler in Africa such as Rifle Permits.
Take your own guns. You know what you have, they fit you and you know the loads.
Follow these simple steps and you should have minimal hassle and a great hunt.
 
All function perfect and are properly maintained, as all firearms should be maintained.
Definitely not always the case with every Outfitter! Thanks for putting this out there;)
 
I have to heartily agree with @Tanks and @Red Leg about lve while you can! Take that WL for sure. It is what it was made for. I've taken more dollars and sentimental value over in a gun case than I care to admit and even with the airline leaving my gun case behind and entrusting the Outfitters helpers to retrieve and take care of it, all was well.

My father died at 44. I swore I'd be successful enough early enough in life to enjoy these things. I still waited too long but am making up for that now;)
 

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