looking for 287 and 461 bullets

[cwhuntsalot]

I'm looking for some bullets for my cartridge display boards. I need some .287s for the 280 Ross and 280 Flanged Nitro Express, and some .461s for the 461 #1 and #2 Gibbs.
I know beggars can't be choosers, but if possible I'd like 25 each of 2 different profiles. They'll be mounted right next to each other on the boards.
Feel free to PM if you can help me out
THANX
Curtis

 

[Huvius]

Paper patched for the Gibbs rounds?

 

[cwhuntsalot]

I know the 461 Gibbs' eventually transitioned to jacketed bullets. I've never dealt with paper patched. Don't recall ever seeing one so I'm clueless.
I'd prefer the jacketed bullets, but if I have to try the paper patched I'll give it a go.

 

[Huvius]

I don’t think you will have any luck finding the copper clad bullets of the correct design/ogive.
Your only option, and one I’d like to try myself, is to find a cast bullet with the correct shape and electro plate them with copper.
You could do this with a .458” cast bullet as the Gibbs bullets were actually .461”

 

[85lc]

I believe the correct bullet for tehe 461 Gibbs is a paper patched bullet. I have not heard of the 461 Gibbs being loaded with metal patched bullets.

 

[rookhawk]

I'm looking for some bullets for my cartridge display boards. I need some .287s for the 280 Ross and 280 Flanged Nitro Express, and some .461s for the 461 #1 and #2 Gibbs.
I know beggars can't be choosers, but if possible I'd like 25 each of 2 different profiles. They'll be mounted right next to each other on the boards.
Feel free to PM if you can help me out
THANX
Curtis

I’ve looked too over the years, Curtis. Same for other oddballs like 318WR and 275HH. The easiest thing to do is make bullets.

Lee makes a sizing die for $50 with ram. You’ll need one in every size from the donor bullet size to your target size, in .003” increments. Example, if you want .287” bullets, I’m not sure if you can find anything smaller than .308”, so you’d need to turn them into .305s, 302s, 299s, 296s, 293s, 290s, 287, and then run it a second time on 287. So you’d need 7 sizing dies for $350 and a lot of patience.

The good news is you have access to a LOT of bullet choices in 308. The bad news is that much sizing is going to damage the exposed lead tips, so you’ll need to look for a bullet tolerant of that like a Speer hot core or a classic round nose 30-30 bullet.

The 461s could be made with only 3-4 sizing dies, working down 470NE or 470 Capstick bullets .474” or less to get what you need.

 

[Huvius]

I believe the correct bullet for tehe 461 Gibbs is a paper patched bullet. I have not heard of the 461 Gibbs being loaded with metal patched bullets.

Gibbs did offer a copper clad bullet for the 461s.
From what I have read, the bullets were electro plated and I would expect them to be .461” just as the patched bullets were but I’ve never held one myself.
The pictures I’ve seen show that it was the same shape as the paper patched bullet.
My assumption is that Gibbs liked the shape but wanted a bullet that wouldn’t be disrupted by the patch release.
No idea how they actually worked.

The classic 461 Gibbs for the purposes of a cartridge board should be paper patched in my opinion.

 

[GeorgeGibbs505]

Here’s what some original Gibbs 461 look like.