Leather hunting sling/accurate shooting sling designed by Hansie Minnaar

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

You're a hard man Townsend Nelson! You our a hard man.

@Forrest Halley
Not at all mate just don't like that horrible little cartridge.
Most others are fine by me it's just that one and possibly that over rated man bun.
Both have been flogged to death about how good they are and I'm sick of hearing about them.
Now a 264 win mag in a ruger No 1 oe K95 Blaser with a 28 inch barrel would be something else
Bob

 

[BigSteve57]

Apparently the entire world has forgotten about the 1907 sling. They work wonderfully. SomeonE should just make one 2" wide and all our marksmanship problems would be solved.

Well...getting "slung in" in a hunting situation I think is iffy. Try getting in your sling "tight" and laying for 20 minutes as if waiting for wild game. You can do it and lay loose on your belly for a long time and then get into position "tight" as soon as you see game. I've done it but it ain't fun.

 

[BigSteve57]

I see your point,
I also see how a Ching sling could be of use to a person who takes a hunting shot from a standing position.

I see tension can affect accuracy , so will standing shots and this is just to steady the rifle.

Each situation is different, some might need to take that snap shot standing. I don't have a Ching sling but I've tried this with a conventional sling.

A sling is not allowed in the offhand phases of competition. I have tried shooting offhand with and without a sling and I find a sling has offered me no advantages shooting offhand. My experience has taught me that shooting offhand has other requirements.

 

[BigSteve57]

I see your point,
I also see how a Ching sling could be of use to a person who takes a hunting shot from a standing position.

I see tension can affect accuracy , so will standing shots and this is just to steady the rifle.

Each situation is different, some might need to take that snap shot standing. I don't have a Ching sling but I've tried this with a conventional sling.

I see tension affecting point of impact, not accuracy. I can shoot 1/2 MOA from a sandbag and 1/2 MOA slung in. The difference is point of impact.

I can actually shoot more accurately slung in than from a sandbag, but at a different point of impact.

 

[BigSteve57]

@CBH Australia
You will never see me with a,243. I won't even hold one so my mate can get thru a fence. He lays his 243 on the ground and I kick it thru to him. Might cause him to miss game completely but beast the shit out of wounding game with that horrible little cartridge.
Bob

I love the .243. The whitetail deer hate it. The .243 is my wife's deer cartridge and the mild recoil and flat shooting cartridge is just right for her. Oh and you can get it in any rural hardware/gun store. If you're wounding game with the .243 then I suggest that you take some shooting lessons.

 

[sureshot375]

Man I saw Hansie when I was in SA last month. He didn’t mention anything about making super cool slings.

He’s a stand up guy. Born about 150 years too late I think.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I love the .243. The whitetail deer hate it. The .243 is my wife's deer cartridge and the mild recoil and flat shooting cartridge is just right for her. Oh and you can get it in any rural hardware/gun store. If you're wounding game with the .243 then I suggest that you take some shooting lessons.

@BigSteve57
Some one has to like it but it sure ain't me. Never have and never will. If it was the only caliber I could own I would take up archery.
It doesn't live up to all the hype that Winchester had us believe.
Give me a 25 any day
Bob

 

[CBH Australia]

@BigSteve57
Some one has to like it but it sure ain't me. Never have and never will. If it was the only caliber I could own I would take up archery.
It doesn't live up to all the hype that Winchester had us believe.
Give me a 25 any day
Bob

Bob,
You know with that dicky shoulder a .243win might be easier to manage than a compound bow, I don't think you are the Man Bun type so ....

Then again a Bow in your Man Bun would be a hit next time you visit the Broken Heel Festival.

 

[CBH Australia]

Bob,
@BigSteve57 thinks you need some Shooting lessons, you could practice with my Mrs, Pink .243, easy on your shoulder, would be a hit with your friends from Mardii Gras,

I never knew you needed lessons, the only reason you wounded a deer with a .243 was using as bloody javelin, like hot potato you could get rid of it quick enough.

 

[Jörg Krüger]

@Gert Odendaal .
Only saw this thread now. Looks great.
Verkoop hy in die Kaap? Ek stel belang?

 

[SaintPanzer]

Bob, I ave to ask... I had been taught that a .243 was the perfect weapon for game about the size of a red squirrel. So, if you hate it so much, what do you use on charging red squirrels? I'm going to have to alter my whole approach! I mean, just picture it... I'm in the forest, minding my own business, and an angry, evil squirrel with PMS comes after me in a full charge, ready to stamp my left pinkie toe... and all I have is a .243. I might upgrade to a 6.5 Creeeeeeeeee(no I can't write it) just for that.

And do NOT get me started on that .223 plinker thing.

Ah, the hell with it. Make my 6.5 an M1903, straight from Steyr, Österreich, and I'll be a happy man.

In any case, so much for my sarcasm. Channeling days of a summer spent on a small sandy island of the coast of South Carolina, not far from Savannah:

A proper sling (and yes, a Safari Ching can be considered proper) helps support the rifle from a supported position. It is not used offhand, because it does nothing offhand. It is used in all other positions because it completes the support.

Imagine this: You have a good, seated position (could be kneeling, could be prone, whatever). If done correctly, you have used your arms and legs to support it against gravity, as well as stabilizing it left and right. There's only one direction for it to go. You pull the trigger, and recoil puts it that direction: the barrel goes up. Ah, but you've looped up ahead of time. It can't go up very much. That's what is meant by "support".

Look at that Gunsight video again. Meaty part of the arm on a meaty part of the leg, not joint on joint, which prevents "rolling". Not a Lead Sled (™), but good support. Sling holds it down. Supported in all directions. If it were an offhand shot, it doesn't really do anything, does it? It might make you feel like you're controlling the muzzle from your tricep, but no, it can go anywhere. Use a sling when supported, don't worry about it unsupported. At the same time, if you can get closer, get closer. If you can find a more stable position, get more stable. Sticks are more stable than offhand, if you're not in tall grass then kneeling is more stable, sitting is more stable than kneeling, and prone is more stable than sitting. Jeff Cooper proposed a "rice paddy prone", which to my eyes looks like a cross between sitting and kneeling, and would have benefits in a wet area...

If you really want to get into it: https://www.amazon.com/Art-Rifle-Je...ds=the+art+of+the+rifle&qid=1633763754&sr=8-1

 

[Forrest Halley]

Well...getting "slung in" in a hunting situation I think is iffy. Try getting in your sling "tight" and laying for 20 minutes as if waiting for wild game. You can do it and lay loose on your belly for a long time and then get into position "tight" as soon as you see game. I've done it but it ain't fun.

I have hunted spot and stalk that way before slung up. Killed a few deer. If I'm laying prone, I use a bipod. Offhand there are definitely advantages. Recoil management being one and it does hold the gun and upper body tighter together if you've got a lot of clothes on.

 

[Forrest Halley]

Bob, I ave to ask... I had been taught that a .243 was the perfect weapon for game about the size of a red squirrel. So, if you hate it so much, what do you use on charging red squirrels? I'm going to have to alter my whole approach! I mean, just picture it... I'm in the forest, minding my own business, and an angry, evil squirrel with PMS comes after me in a full charge, ready to stamp my left pinkie toe... and all I have is a .243. I might upgrade to a 6.5 Creeeeeeeeee(no I can't write it) just for that.

And do NOT get me started on that .223 plinker thing.

Hey now charging squirrels are thing. I had a female gray squirrel come round a tree one time and let out a banshee shriek from hell. This resulted in me leaping backwards and firing my 12 gauge from the hip in mid air at nearly point blank range. If only I had it on video. Another time I had shot a squirrel across the top of the head and when I went to recover him, he leapt after me and I had to stop his final charge with some forty grain solids. It was a real MS moment...going into battle...with dain-jurr-rous game inside of ten feet...shame I didn't have my bin-nock-lurrs slung across my chest the right way. I could've died.

 

[Forrest Halley]

I love the .243. The whitetail deer hate it. The .243 is my wife's deer cartridge and the mild recoil and flat shooting cartridge is just right for her. Oh and you can get it in any rural hardware/gun store. If you're wounding game with the .243 then I suggest that you take some shooting lessons.

Welcome to the party! Prepare to defend your sub .25 caliber choice from these ravenous beasts. They spend all their time chewing on woodleighs and drinking Foster's and Bundy in Quarantalia hiding from the China virus.

 

[Jörg Krüger]

Bob, I ave to ask... I had been taught that a .243 was the perfect weapon for game about the size of a red squirrel. So, if you hate it so much, what do you use on charging red squirrels? I'm going to have to alter my whole approach! I mean, just picture it... I'm in the forest, minding my own business, and an angry, evil squirrel with PMS comes after me in a full charge, ready to stamp my left pinkie toe... and all I have is a .243. I might upgrade to a 6.5 Creeeeeeeeee(no I can't write it) just for that.

And do NOT get me started on that .223 plinker thing.

Ah, the hell with it. Make my 6.5 an M1903, straight from Steyr, Österreich, and I'll be a happy man.

In any case, so much for my sarcasm. Channeling days of a summer spent on a small sandy island of the coast of South Carolina, not far from Savannah:

A proper sling (and yes, a Safari Ching can be considered proper) helps support the rifle from a supported position. It is not used offhand, because it does nothing offhand. It is used in all other positions because it completes the support.

Imagine this: You have a good, seated position (could be kneeling, could be prone, whatever). If done correctly, you have used your arms and legs to support it against gravity, as well as stabilizing it left and right. There's only one direction for it to go. You pull the trigger, and recoil puts it that direction: the barrel goes up. Ah, but you've looped up ahead of time. It can't go up very much. That's what is meant by "support".

Look at that Gunsight video again. Meaty part of the arm on a meaty part of the leg, not joint on joint, which prevents "rolling". Not a Lead Sled (™), but good support. Sling holds it down. Supported in all directions. If it were an offhand shot, it doesn't really do anything, does it? It might make you feel like you're controlling the muzzle from your tricep, but no, it can go anywhere. Use a sling when supported, don't worry about it unsupported. At the same time, if you can get closer, get closer. If you can find a more stable position, get more stable. Sticks are more stable than offhand, if you're not in tall grass then kneeling is more stable, sitting is more stable than kneeling, and prone is more stable than sitting. Jeff Cooper proposed a "rice paddy prone", which to my eyes looks like a cross between sitting and kneeling, and would have benefits in a wet area...

If you really want to get into it: https://www.amazon.com/Art-Rifle-Je...ds=the+art+of+the+rifle&qid=1633763754&sr=8-1

O my goodness. I nearly spit out my beer laughing. And you know alcohol can be a scarce beverage in South Africa these day. Not fair to try and spill my booze

 

[BigSteve57]

Welcome to the party! Prepare to defend your sub .25 caliber choice from these ravenous beasts. They spend all their time chewing on woodleighs and drinking Foster's and Bundy in Quarantalia hiding from the China virus.

Well it would be great to join that party some day!

I really meant no disrespect to anyone as there's a subtext of sarcasm going on in here. It's just a matter of the right tool for the right job. Example: don't use a hand drill to make Mt. Rushmore OK?
Oh and I agree that the .243 is/was over-hyped just like a bunch of other cartridges are.

As I've said many times the decision to go with one caliber or another for hunting is based partly on availability. In other words, can we likely get the cartridge in a rural hardware store in the USA or elsewhere.

Cheers!

 

[BigSteve57]

I have hunted spot and stalk that way before slung up. Killed a few deer. If I'm laying prone, I use a bipod. Offhand there are definitely advantages. Recoil management being one and it does hold the gun and upper body tighter together if you've got a lot of clothes on.

The military "1917" types of slings where you're strapped in change based on what you're wearing. I have a different notch for a bare arm, my competition shooting coat and a heavy hunting parka. One can really go down a rabbit hole, so to speak, with this.

I have however used slings in the "hasty" configuration where the support arm is simply wrapped around the sling. That has helped me prone, seated, kneeling and in contorted positions in trees, bushes, over rocks etc... but not for me in offhand. I've tried and tried and tried. For me offhand is all about timing.

 

[BigSteve57]

Bob, I ave to ask... I had been taught that a .243 was the perfect weapon for game about the size of a red squirrel. So, if you hate it so much, what do you use on charging red squirrels? I'm going to have to alter my whole approach! I mean, just picture it... I'm in the forest, minding my own business, and an angry, evil squirrel with PMS comes after me in a full charge, ready to stamp my left pinkie toe... and all I have is a .243. I might upgrade to a 6.5 Creeeeeeeeee(no I can't write it) just for that.

And do NOT get me started on that .223 plinker thing.

Ah, the hell with it. Make my 6.5 an M1903, straight from Steyr, Österreich, and I'll be a happy man.

In any case, so much for my sarcasm. Channeling days of a summer spent on a small sandy island of the coast of South Carolina, not far from Savannah:

A proper sling (and yes, a Safari Ching can be considered proper) helps support the rifle from a supported position. It is not used offhand, because it does nothing offhand. It is used in all other positions because it completes the support.

Imagine this: You have a good, seated position (could be kneeling, could be prone, whatever). If done correctly, you have used your arms and legs to support it against gravity, as well as stabilizing it left and right. There's only one direction for it to go. You pull the trigger, and recoil puts it that direction: the barrel goes up. Ah, but you've looped up ahead of time. It can't go up very much. That's what is meant by "support".

Look at that Gunsight video again. Meaty part of the arm on a meaty part of the leg, not joint on joint, which prevents "rolling". Not a Lead Sled (™), but good support. Sling holds it down. Supported in all directions. If it were an offhand shot, it doesn't really do anything, does it? It might make you feel like you're controlling the muzzle from your tricep, but no, it can go anywhere. Use a sling when supported, don't worry about it unsupported. At the same time, if you can get closer, get closer. If you can find a more stable position, get more stable. Sticks are more stable than offhand, if you're not in tall grass then kneeling is more stable, sitting is more stable than kneeling, and prone is more stable than sitting. Jeff Cooper proposed a "rice paddy prone", which to my eyes looks like a cross between sitting and kneeling, and would have benefits in a wet area...

If you really want to get into it: https://www.amazon.com/Art-Rifle-Je...ds=the+art+of+the+rifle&qid=1633763754&sr=8-1

Thank you! Offhand with any kind of sling has not worked for me and your post makes me think I'm not missing some magic technique. As I mentioned earlier, I've tried and tried and tried offhand with a sling and my scores do not go up. In fact, I become more erratic with more fliers.

 

[Forrest Halley]

Well it would be great to join that party some day!

I really meant no disrespect to anyone as there's a subtext of sarcasm going on in here. It's just a matter of the right tool for the right job. Example: don't use a hand drill to make Mt. Rushmore OK?
Oh and I agree that the .243 is/was over-hyped just like a bunch of other cartridges are.

As I've said many times the decision to go with one caliber or another for hunting is based partly on availability. In other words, can we likely get the cartridge in a rural hardware store in the USA or elsewhere.

Cheers!

There has never been anything sarcastic said ever in the history of AH about the .243 or .35, Australia doesn't exist and career politicians are honest men.

If the M-14 had been chambered in .243, Victor and Charlie would still be in farming and fishing not politics.

 

[SaintPanzer]

As I've said many times the decision to go with one caliber or another for hunting is based partly on availability. In other words, can we likely get the cartridge in a rural hardware store in the USA or elsewhere.

Cheers!

Sounds like a great argument for a .30-06.