Joseph Lang Sidelock or Westley Richards 470

[Hunter-Habib]

Wouldn’t Norma PH loaded with Woodleighs replicate the old Kynoch loads? I’d venture a guess that would be the place to start for a regulation load.

Norma no longer lists .470 Nitro Express ammunition (or .500 Nitro Express or .500/416 Nitro Express or .404 Jeffery, for that matter).

470 N.E.

www.norma-ammunition.com

 

[Aaron N]

Norma no longer lists .470 Nitro Express ammunition (or .500 Nitro Express or .500/416 Nitro Express or .404 Jeffery, for that matter).

470 N.E.

www.norma-ammunition.com

Are they culling the herd? I noticed last week they no longer lost 200gr A-frames in 8x68s. I bought two boxes this winter.

Maybe the big bores are on hold until Woodleigh is back to full production?

 

[SStomcat]

Norma no longer lists .470 Nitro Express ammunition (or .500 Nitro Express or .500/416 Nitro Express or .404 Jeffery, for that matter).

470 N.E.

www.norma-ammunition.com

Norma 470 is available, solids and SP should I stock up? 470 calibre is decided for me.

 

[Hunter-Habib]

Norma 470 is available, solids and SP should I stock up? 470 calibre is decided for me.

Do it and do it fast !

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Are they culling the herd? I noticed last week they no longer lost 200gr A-frames in 8x68s. I bought two boxes this winter.

Maybe the big bores are on hold until Woodleigh is back to full production?

I bet it’s the Woodleigh factor

 

[Hunter-Habib]

Are they culling the herd? I noticed last week they no longer lost 200gr A-frames in 8x68s. I bought two boxes this winter.

Maybe the big bores are on hold until Woodleigh is back to full production?

I think so. They also stopped production of .22 Hi Power ammunition, 7.7mm Arisaka ammunition and almost ALL of the .458 Winchester Magnum ammunition (barring the 500Gr monolithic solid).

 

[JPmbogo]

100% agree! I would go with a new Heym/Krieghoff before these two. Although I certainly respect the two guns. Are they to collect or hunt. I respect either. I just do not have safe queens…if I have them then they hunt just my POV. Certainly respect others who do not want to get a scratch on their beautiful rifles…that just is not me

Don't forget Verney-Carron. Ken Buch of Kebco, the VC importers, has a lovely 470 currently listed on Guns International at $15k. I have its big bother in 600NE - fantastic double.

 

[ay2626]

I agree, that’s not a issue at all. Old things will fail over time and it’s acceptable. However I do not want to get into a situation where I find the rifle is not accurate with factory ammo and I have to send it off to be regulated. I’d much rather go for a new Heym/ Krieghoff that’s well regulated with available factory ammo.

If you decide you have any interest in Krieghoff let me know. I do have this one that I would sell:

For Sale Krieghoff Classic 470 Nitro Express

For sale is a Krieghoff Classic Big Five in 470 Nitro Express. Built in 1998. Weight of 10.5lb and LOP 14 7/8. Extractors only (no ejectors). Includes pivot scope mount. I purchased the rifle used but took it to the Krieghoff service center in fall of 2021 for a complete inspection, cleaning...

www.africahunting.com

 

[SStomcat]

Do it and do it fast !

How many boxes of 10 for each if I can find, is a good no.?

Don't forget Verney-Carron. Ken Buch of Kebco, the VC importers, has a lovely 470 currently listed on Guns International at $15k. I have its big bother in 600NE - fantastic double.

Where do you get Ammo for the 600? have not being able to find any place in the US that sells these.

 

[A.Dahlgren]

Is the wr from sri lanka ?

 

[Hunter-Habib]

How many boxes of 10 for each if I can find, is a good no.?

Where do you get Ammo for the 600? have not being able to find any place in the US that sells these.

Labor Fur Ballistik is the only manufacturer of factory loaded .600 Nitro Express ammunition, right now. 900Gr copper jacketed soft points and FMJ solids at 1985 fps. Barnes and Cutting Edge are only 2 companies that make .600 caliber bullets right now (until/unless Woodleigh returns).

It's wise to stockpile on as much ammunition as you can. You never know when these things get EVEN HARDER to find.

 

[JPmbogo]

How many boxes of 10 for each if I can find, is a good no.?

Where do you get Ammo for the 600? have not being able to find any place in the US that sells these.

Short of having a custom loader do it (at typically very high cost), to my knowledge no factory ammo is available. Consequently, I load my own, which I would do anyway. I currently have 35 Bertram cases. If you don't get carried away with max loads (and why would you?), they will last damn near forever, as the 600 is a relative low pressure cartridge at about 32,000 at full load. Up until he recently passed, I was working on some loads with Cal Pappas. He had sent me some of his cast bullets to try. Since his passing, I purchased a 900grn bullet mold from Accurate Molds in SLC.

 

[PerH]

I think so. They also stopped production of .22 Hi Power ammunition, 7.7mm Arisaka ammunition and almost ALL of the .458 Winchester Magnum ammunition (barring the 500Gr monolithic solid).

I think its odd they dont use Swift in more of them, as earlier they loaded say .358 Norma with 250 Swift , same with .458 Win also.

But they stopped many of the old cup core bullets cartridges but not subsituting new alternativew.

 

[Hunter-Habib]

I think its odd they dont use Swift in more of them, as earlier they loaded say .358 Norma with 250 Swift , same with .458 Win also.

But they stopped many of the old cup core bullets cartridges but not subsituting new alternativew.

Definitely trimming down their lines, Per.

 

[PerH]

Definitely trimming down their lines, Per.

Searched a little, what i found on few listed of https://www.norma-ammunition.com/en...7%7C458+Win.+Mag.%7C7.62+Russian%7C416+Taylor

 

[Hunter-Habib]

Searched a little, what i found on few listed of https://www.norma-ammunition.com/en-us/products/dedicated-hunting?Caliber=5%252c6+x+52+R%7C6%252c5+Jap.%7C6%252c5+x+52+Carcano%7C7%252c5+x+55+Swiss%7C7%252c7+Jap.%7C7%252c65+x+53+Arg.%7C9%252c3+x+57%7C458+Win.+Mag.%7C7.62+Russian%7C416+Taylor

Very strange, Per.

 

[PerH]

Very strange, Per.

Just a little search i did from the menu of " calibers" there,one can add or remove which one like. I just put in some of the lost souls now there in the search.

 

[Pondoro]

A friend of mine just ordered .600 ammo from Kynoch for his H&H Royal..

 

[Hunter-Habib]

A friend of mine just ordered .600 ammo from Kynoch for his H&H Royal..

That must mean that they had some Woodleigh bullets left over from old stock, Pondoro.

 

[Philip Glass]

If it doesn’t fit, you will have a beautiful well made safe queen either way you go.

But that is what gunsmiths are for!