Jaguar in Texas

[Red Leg]

Where you are talking about, it absolutely could be a jaguar. Trailcam video has been documented in AZ and reports have come from reliable folks as far east as SW Louisiana. For God's sake DO NOT shoot the thing. Also, puma are increasing throughout the Hill Country. One was killed two years ago just north of Austin and a horse (cob) was taken down by a mountain lion just last year in the San Gabriel river valley (just down the road from our place) - again north of Austin.

 

[Wheels]

Info on Arizona cat.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/jaguar-photos-arizona_n_3512002.html




Certainly would like to see photos if you get trail cam pics.

Forget that 375. Here's how real men do it!

 

[Philip Glass]

I agree. My idea is to get some pics of it, for proof, then pass them on to Texas Parks and Wildlife. Of course I would post them here as well! Africa hunting.com exclusive! Lol

Please do not do that! It is an endangered species and if found in your place all hunting is over. This topic should not be discussed in a forum. You guys do not understand the severity of the endangered species act and how it is used everyday to take people's property.
Shoot, Shovel, & Shutup!
Philip

 

[jeff]

If the game is gone from your property the jaguar will be gone too as he has to eat, he won't hang around hoping that maybe he gets a meal, also look at the home range size that he uses and you will be amazed at how many square miles he ranges.

 

[CAustin]

Panielson Midway USA has Hornady 375 Ruger on sale! You might need some extra.

 

[flatwater bill]

Being concerned about personal safety is a good thing. Illegals, off road motor vehicle accidents and the like are a real possibility in rural Texas. There are even a few snakes to watch out for. Being killed by a Jaguar is pretty far down on the risk tree.

Have fun with the trail camera..........................................FWB

 

[Panielsen]

Please do not do that! It is an endangered species and if found in your place all hunting is over. This topic should not be discussed in a forum. You guys do not understand the severity of the endangered species act and how it is used everyday to take people's property.
Shoot, Shovel, & Shutup!
Philip

No worries. I have no plans to shoot it unless it decides I have just the right amount of fat on me to sustain the winter! I am going to try and get pics and give them to Texas Parks and Wildlife.

 

[Scott Slough]

Shoot, Shovel, & Shutup!

Philip,

You and I will have to agree to disagree! If a jaguar is actually in Texas, this is a magnificent animal that should be protected rather than shot.

 

[Panielsen]

Info on Arizona cat.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/jaguar-photos-arizona_n_3512002.html




Certainly would like to see photos if you get trail cam pics.




Forget that 375. Here's how real men do it!

Maybe in my younger days.... LMAO

 

[AfricaHunting.com]

Here are a few related threads…

- When Jaguars Attack: http://www.africahunting.com/threads/when-jaguars-attack.837/
- Killing a Jaguar: http://www.africahunting.com/threads/killing-a-jaguar.15083/
- Old Days Hunting in South America......!!!!!: http://www.africahunting.com/threads/old-days-hunting-in-south-america.16840/
- The last female Jaguar shot in the United States of America: http://www.africahunting.com/threads/vintage-hunting-pictures-non-africa.10551/#post-86899

 

[Red Leg]

Philip,

You and I will have to agree to disagree! If a jaguar is actually in Texas, this is a magnificent animal that should be protected rather than shot.

Absolutely concur. While the endangered species act has indeed been leveraged to land owners' detriment, it is extremely unlikely the black helicopters are going to land and seize your property because a wayward jaguar has included it in its circuit.

 

[Royal27]

Please do not do that! It is an endangered species and if found in your place all hunting is over. This topic should not be discussed in a forum. You guys do not understand the severity of the endangered species act and how it is used everyday to take people's property.
Shoot, Shovel, & Shutup!
Philip

I couldn't disagree with you more. Your suggestion to break the law because of a fear of possible government reaction to the expansion of an endangered species is disheartening IMHO.

 

[Panielsen]

Here are a few related threads…

- When Jaguars Attack: http://www.africahunting.com/threads/when-jaguars-attack.837/
- Killing a Jaguar: http://www.africahunting.com/threads/killing-a-jaguar.15083/
- Old Days Hunting in South America......!!!!!: http://www.africahunting.com/threads/old-days-hunting-in-south-america.16840/
- The last female Jaguar shot in the United States of America: http://www.africahunting.com/threads/vintage-hunting-pictures-non-africa.10551/#post-86899

Good reading! The pics did nothing to improve my machismo, but the article was great! This is when I truly wish I had more experience with large cats and camera traps.

 

[ROCKET]

What a surprise.....Jaguars coming back to their old territory in South of USA where they used to live.....good.
As We know unfortunatelly is not legal to hunt a Jaguar anymore in any place where they are and the penaltyes are real hard including prisson as in Brazil, but allways the coin has two faces.
I know a couple of ranchers in Brazil, Fazendas ownners, and they kill 12 Jaguars a year at least because the tremendous damage they can cause in the cattle, trust me, big looses can occur with this cats, soo when the problems start, they chasse the cat and is over, the stays whwere they get them, men get nothing from the animal, no meat, no skin, no skull, nothing, they just live the all animal where they kill it in the field.
If they catch you with a Jaguar skin or any part.....You are done.
Same happens up North in my country, it is a problem but the goverment doesn´t have any refounds for the Jaguar damage over the domestic cattle and there aremany poor people who only have a few animals to survive and they cannot allow to the Jaguars takes it all.
We have not good regulations or lows or plans or research in this matters.

A Jaguar can cover 50 Kilometers in a day if this is needed in places with not to much food......so if a Jaguar pass by my house today and have a regular circuit, you can expect Jaguar passing again by your house in the next 15 days, thats the average circuit.

They can kill a 350 Kilos cow in a fraccion of second and drag them over a 1.5 meters fence toll with out a problem, nobody tell me....I saw it.

Jaguars can eat carcases or carrion or death animal.

Jaguars never cover the prey who has been killed, they just drag the prey to a thick place in the bushes and thats it, they keep the prey hide.......Pumas put alot of effort covering the prey with sticks, grass, thorns,but not the Jaguars, jaguars doesn´t that never.

Not easy to see the difference bettwen Jaguar and Puma tracks in the same size of animals, natives can do that easily.

Jaguars loves to kill dogs and eat them......they also like Javelinas......javelina is a candy for Jaguar, and off course they feed them selves with cattle.

I hope to hear some news about this Panielsen.....I like Jaguars......I have got mine 24 years ago in Paraguay......I would like the Jaguar hunting back again with goods regulations, plans and research, to protect them by the hunt.......!!!!!

A question for you all......How much would you paid for a Jaguar tag/hunt at the present time......?????

Authorities and goverments are making a mistake with jaguar hunting banning.....We can help them better with the hunters support......!!!!

See you...!!!!

 

[Panielsen]

What a surprise.....Jaguars coming back to their old territory in South of USA where they used to live.....good.
As We know unfortunatelly is not legal to hunt a Jaguar anymore in any place where they are and the penaltyes are real hard including prisson as in Brazil, but allways the coin has two faces.
I know a couple of ranchers in Brazil, Fazendas ownners, and they kill 12 Jaguars a year at least because the tremendous damage they can cause in the cattle, trust me, big looses can occur with this cats, soo when the problems start, they chasse the cat and is over, the stays whwere they get them, men get nothing from the animal, no meat, no skin, no skull, nothing, they just live the all animal where they kill it in the field.
If they catch you with a Jaguar skin or any part.....You are done.
Same happens up North in my country, it is a problem but the goverment doesn´t have any refounds for the Jaguar damage over the domestic cattle and there aremany poor people who only have a few animals to survive and they cannot allow to the Jaguars takes it all.
We have not good regulations or lows or plans or research in this matters.

A Jaguar can cover 50 Kilometers in a day if this is needed in places with not to much food......so if a Jaguar pass by my house today and have a regular circuit, you can expect Jaguar passing again by your house in the next 15 days, thats the average circuit.

They can kill a 350 Kilos cow in a fraccion of second and drag them over a 1.5 meters fence toll with out a problem, nobody tell me....I saw it.

Jaguars can eat carcases or carrion or death animal.

Jaguars never cover the prey who has been killed, they just drag the prey to a thick place in the bushes and thats it, they keep the prey hide.......Pumas put alot of effort covering the prey with sticks, grass, thorns,but not the Jaguars, jaguars doesn´t that never.

Not easy to see the difference bettwen Jaguar and Puma tracks in the same size of animals, natives can do that easily.

Jaguars loves to kill dogs and eat them......they also like Javelinas......javelina is a candy for Jaguar, and off course they feed them selves with cattle.

I hope to hear some news about this Panielsen.....I like Jaguars......I have got mine 24 years ago in Paraguay......I would like the Jaguar hunting back again with goods regulations, plans and research, to protect them by the hunt.......!!!!!

A question for you all......How much would you paid for a Jaguar tag/hunt at the present time......?????

Authorities and goverments are making a mistake with jaguar hunting banning.....We can help them better with the hunters support......!!!!

See you...!!!!

Rocket that is great info! I am glad to finally hear from someone with experience with these cats! I have been researching the hell out of these cats, but there is no substitute for first hand knowledge. I too am surprisingly happy to see them back in the States as I too hope the numbers come back up. Perhaps this is a good omen for the future of the jaguar and a sign that with responsible hunting practices, South American countries will use the African model of using hunting proceeds to finance conservation. The immediate task at hand for me is to try to successfully determine what I have exactly. If it is in fact a jaguar, then I can report it to the authorities and hopefully have them guide me on what I should do to live together in the same space.

 

[K-man]

My only advice is if you find one, keep it to yourself. Not even fish and wildlife need to know. My experience is that the government is NOT here to help you. Good luck.

 

[ROCKET]

Rocket that is great info! I am glad to finally hear from someone with experience with these cats! I have been researching the hell out of these cats, but there is no substitute for first hand knowledge. I too am surprisingly happy to see them back in the States as I too hope the numbers come back up. Perhaps this is a good omen for the future of the jaguar and a sign that with responsible hunting practices, South American countries will use the African model of using hunting proceeds to finance conservation. The immediate task at hand for me is to try to successfully determine what I have exactly. If it is in fact a jaguar, then I can report it to the authorities and hopefully have them guide me on what I should do to live together in the same space.

It is a pleasure for me to have the chance to talk and share things about this with you all.
I could not agree more with what you´ve written above.....these are the words of someone with much common sense and I am glad to read them.
About informing to the Goverment or not of this case, I do not what to say because I don´t know your Goverment procedures in cases like these......surely someone could teel you better in this matter

Thanks and see you....!!!!

 

[Panielsen]

Thanks Rocket! I was raised not to hunt endangered species, and respect the majesty of animals. While I would love to have taken a jaguar, the numbers need to be higher to where they are not endangered. I have been working hard to get the Mule Deer numbers up on my place since disease nearly wiped them out. I find that conservation is a huge part of hunting. In order to harvest the species we want as trophies or food, we must first be responsible and ensure the numbers are on the rise so my grandchildren can hunt them in the future. Please don't think I am dropping my rifle and making out with the next tree I come across, but there are so many animals I would have loved to hunt, that just aren't in America any more. I am very excited, I must confess, about finding the spoor of this cat and rigging a trap to capture it if only as an image. That is why I posted this in the first place, was for advise. It is ironic as I have been telling my nephews, and grand children, that hunting is about the experience and not necessarily about the trophy. To know that I am on my place now with a potentially dangerous predator, tracking him or her, and achieving the shot is more adventurous than looking at it's hide on the wall. If one really thinks about things, no matter how great the trophy is on your wall, and no matter how many times you tell the tale of how it got there, no one will ever feel the same as you as it was your leather in brush where it was! I do pray that someday I can harvest one, or at least my grandkids or nephews, legally, as they will know that old pappaw tracked and photographed their trophy's papaw long before they were legal to shoot. Situations like this are what conservation and our sport we love so much are about. I will have my hunt, the only thing missing will be the report of the rifle if I do things correctly. It is ironic to think of the hunt without a rifle shot. Especially knowing that somehow this king of the continent may have chosen my humble ranch in West Texas. If one really thinks about it, what an adventure I'm about to under take! I have no big cat experience, no prior hunts of large cats, and now I have to figure it out on my own with advise alone from those who have. Hollywood couldn't write such a tale. I am excited, and humbled. What a great Country and time I live in!

 

[Wheels]

.....I like Jaguars......I have got mine 24 years ago in Paraguay......QUOTE]


Rocket,

You can't leave us holding our breath over this statement.

Can you tell us more about this? Do you have photos?

 

[Philip Glass]

Some of you know absolutely nothing of private property rights and how they are being taken by our government agencies. You might study up on how people have lost all right to their land due to ESA. Let's be serious for just a moment and realize that a Jag is a tropical animal and does not belong inTexas.
Regards,
Philip