It's started here!

[Woodcarver]

And Ron White gets more free material.....

 

[Paul G]

The issue - IMO - is when "scalpers" sit in front of their computers all day buying any and everything; effectively closing the market to the regular trade. THe normal outlets became aware of this and in some cases just srarted selling on Gunbroker instead.

FWIW the same thing has happened in the housing market with corporate opportunists buying up entire housing developments as well as apartment complexes.

Not saying either is illegal, but it still sucks.

Well sit in front of your computer buying what you need or pay the guys time who does it for you. It's pretty obvious it's going to get bought fats by someone regardless, maybe be thankful someone is willing to sell it and not keep it. I'd rather have the item available at some price vs not available at all. hence .404 ammo right now.

 

[Woodcarver]

Well sit in front of your computer buying what you need or pay the guys time who does it for you. It's pretty obvious it's going to get bought fats by someone regardless, maybe be thankful someone is willing to sell it and not keep it. I'd rather have the item available at some price vs not available at all. hence .404 ammo right now.

So for you guys that are reliant on factory ammo, have you looked at having someone you know reload for you? Presumably you have brass from expended rounds (I hope you don't just leave them lay anyway). Most components can be found, albeit some take more searching than others, primers are still the tough one to find; gather components and have a buddy build ammo for you. Seems like this would be a realistic way to still be able to shoot some of these less common calibers while waiting for the next limited run from a manufacturer.

 

[Paul G]

So for you guys that are reliant on factory ammo, have you looked at having someone you know reload for you? Presumably you have brass from expended rounds (I hope you don't just leave them lay anyway). Most components can be found, albeit some take more searching than others, primers are still the tough one to find; gather components and have a buddy build ammo for you. Seems like this would be a realistic way to still be able to shoot some of these less common calibers while waiting for the next limited run from a manufacturer.

100% agree

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

All this talk of price gouging and scalpers sell components worries me.
Now I learned a few months back pistol powders are not available, All Stores.
Today, it started. People are advertising powders and Primers at inflated prices.
I'm out to make a dollar but not sure this is sporting.

@CBH Australia
It had to come mate as we import all our primers and projectiles.
Fortunately we make our own powders bat they are having issues with the manufacture of any thing faster than 2207/H4198.
Projectiles are almost impossible to get but the ones you can get are at normal price. Primers if you can get them are $120/1000 for standard large rifle. Bench rest Primers expect to pay double that.
Even cases are getting hard to find.
Bob

 

[F. Vaccaro]

I’m going to throw this out there, it’s an observation from experience. When I started going to gun shows early 60s lots of folks brought things they didn’t want or wanted to swap/sell for something else. You could find a good buy. This started changing in the late 70s, people found they could make money at the shows, it got worse in the late 80 with people making a living or partial living at gun shows. The old gun shows were a thing of the past! I’ve found the past 8yrs give or take a bit, going to a show now finds items retail+10%. My LGS beats gun show prices noticeably!
you folks making a living off gun shows cry about what it costs to go to a show. Doesn’t impress me, you’ve made gun shows into another market & a market some of us stay away from! YOU’VE RUINED GUN SHOWS, Some of are not fooled!
End of rant!

 

[K-man]

Any of you guys try to buy lumber lately? Try osb that was (and should be ) $10 a sheet 1 1/2 years ago is now $50. If you can find it. and you need 50 to 60 sheets for a house. The comparison would be a box of 20 Barnes .375 300 grain going for $350. and you need 5 boxes for your trip. The real issue is when people stop paying those prices, they will come down. If we can stop buying ammo (and lumber) for 6 months, this will all self- fix. It's a sellers market.

 

[Ray B]

the MAIN problem that I have with purchasing components or firearms is the additional costs. I buy a pound of powder for $30 but to have it shipped it's another $10 + a $35 Hazmat fee, so now the powder costs $75. Not an issue with the seller - a BIG issue with the government. Who get the Hazmat fee? What additional safety measures are taken that the fee provides?

And firearms!!! If I have a C&R FFL or have purchased a firearm and had the state background check, why do I need to have the entire process repeated every time I want to make a purchase?

As far as the price goes, there is such a thing as value more than price which no one has so far noted. If you look at the supply/demand curve the most common observation is to point out the intersection of the two lines and if talking about it's elasticity, the slope of the demand. But the value is overlooked. there are three sections to the demand line. the section to the left, the intersection, and the section to the right. The demanders are in three categories- those that do not buy because the price is too high. those that purchase because the price is "just right" and those that purchase because the value of the product exceeds the price. those in this category are getting more than they paid for in terms of value.

 

[CoElkHunter]

I’m going to throw this out there, it’s an observation from experience. When I started going to gun shows early 60s lots of folks brought things they didn’t want or wanted to swap/sell for something else. You could find a good buy. This started changing in the late 70s, people found they could make money at the shows, it got worse in the late 80 with people making a living or partial living at gun shows. The old gun shows were a thing of the past! I’ve found the past 8yrs give or take a bit, going to a show now finds items retail+10%. My LGS beats gun show prices noticeably!
you folks making a living off gun shows cry about what it costs to go to a show. Doesn’t impress me, you’ve made gun shows into another market & a market some of us stay away from! YOU’VE RUINED GUN SHOWS, Some of are not fooled!
End of rant!

I don’t “fault” the dealers and others who sell their stuff at gun shows. However, many of them sell their items for the same prices or more than can be found elsewhere. But, at $15 admission here for the shows, I have quit attending them. Back in the early ‘90s when I first started attending the shows, the tables were 80 percent firearms, ammo and reloading stuff and 20 percent everything else. Some very fair deals could be found. Those percentages have now flip flopped. The dealers are selling new firearms at the same price or more than you can find most everywhere else. I’ve seen very few bargains on used guns either over the last several years. Also gone are the MANY tables with “owner sellers” displaying their and friends’ firearms for sale. A very fair price could be found at times. I guess those now are being sold on Gun Joker and other sites. I’ll save the $15 x the dozen or so shows I don’t attend and buy some ammo and reloading stuff on one of the numerous internet sites or local retailers. If not in stock, I can wait. I HAVE to buy gas and groceries at the current outrageous prices, but not “fun” stuff unless I just want to.

 

[curtism1234]

I think we have to stop thinking about the local gun shows as a swap meet and more like a convention show / large group of retailers. If you are looking to find a new establishment to do future business with, you can generate some connections. If you are in the market for something specific or generic, you might luck out there (or at least be able to handle a particular model but wrong cartridge you are thinking about). If you are looking for bargains, go a few hours before wrap up with cash in hand.

 

[Daggaboy375]

I'm confused now. How is it anyone's business if I buy 10,000 rounds of ammo and:
1. Sell it for more than I paid for it. Or
2. Go out and shoot it all in one afternoon. Or
3. Store it in my closet. Or
4. Use it up in competition?

Sounds like one of those " fair share " theories.

DB

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

I'm confused now. How is it anyone's business if I buy 10,000 rounds of ammo and:
1. Sell it for more than I paid for it. Or
2. Go out and shoot it all in one afternoon. Or
3. Store it in my closet. Or
4. Use it up in competition?

Sounds like one of those " fair share " theories.

DB

I agree. Is someone espousing socialism or communism?
I am a firm believer in equal opportunity.
I am admittedly against equal outcome!

Some people make tons of money in the stock market.
Others make money as a surgeon, lawyer, or entrepreneur.
Should any of them have to contribute to my endeavors? I think not.

 

[WAB]

10,000? You’re barely getting started!

 

[Proneshooter]

Here was an auction on Gunbroker I was watching. So is the seller a scalper, or just sold an item at the right time to a foolish buyer? Almost makes me want to put up the 6 boxes I have on Gunbroker.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/927136708

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

Here was an auction on Gunbroker I was watching. So is the seller a scalper, or just sold an item at the right time to a foolish buyer?

The seller has 16,209 Gunbroker transactions. I will call them a professional seller.
That stated, the starting bid was $49.99, which would have been a great price to buy at.
There were four bidders placing 13 bids up to the final at $300.

I think it was a bidding frenzy. A Big Richard contest.

At $300 I need to start selling off some of my collection of projectiles...

 

[sierraone]

The one thing I have seen people write about at the same time they gripe about scalper pricing, is they pay the shipping fee AND the hazmat fee on an order of 2#-5# of powder. That jumps the price/lb up to the high $40s-mid$50s/lb. Minimum online order (for me) is 3-8# kegs. It's the only way to spread the shipping and hazmat out to only add a buck or two to the price/lb.
For those still looking for powder, find every legitimate (there are several scammer sites) supplier and look daily. Ideally, mid-day. Have a list of what you're looking for and be ready to pull the trigger on the buy. Patience and persistence.
Or pay the scalpers and get what you need a little bit sooner....

Have a list of what you're looking for and be ready to pull the trigger on the buy.

Very good advice. Even if you don't actually need that item right now. You know what you burn through on a regular basis. You see it come up for sale, just buy it.

 

[Ray B]

Here was an auction on Gunbroker I was watching. So is the seller a scalper, or just sold an item at the right time to a foolish buyer? Almost makes me want to put up the 6 boxes I have on Gunbroker.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/927136708

It is too early to tell whether the buyer was foolish or not. If someone purchased stock in October 1929 and saw that two months later the value was 1/2 of what he paid, he would be considered foolish However, if he kept the stock for even 10 years, the value was more than double what he paid. So then he would be considered smart.

Same thing here.

 

[sierraone]

A thought to consider if you haven't already. I've been on this forum for nine years. I go to DSC every year and will likely go to SCI in Nashville next year also. During this time I have met many hunters/shooters. For a good bit of them I know what they hunt, what they shoot, and if they reload or not among other things. When you add the "new members" that pop up often and either are buying or selling, I am constantly being bombarded with some type of ammo for sale. The "new members" can be very productive....such as, my grandpaw was a world hunter and has passed. I have a lot of ammo of which I don't want or need. This passed away hunter may have owned from .22 to 470 nitro. I have made out like a bandit twice under this circumstance. When I buy a gun from another member, he usually has ammo for than gun. I usually buy some or all of it. By the way I don't go to local gun shows since the mid 90s. I have no interest in 5.56 and 9 mm. That is primarily what they have.
Anyway I think I made my point. You'll be amazed what you find right here on this forum.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Here was an auction on Gunbroker I was watching. So is the seller a scalper, or just sold an item at the right time to a foolish buyer? Almost makes me want to put up the 6 boxes I have on Gunbroker.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/927136708

@Proneshooter
Thank God I was sitting down when I saw the price. That's stupidity

 

[MS 9x56]

As long as people keep paying the madness continues.