If you smoke - just stop it

[Eddie_GE]

Ive never smoked cigarettes (although I have smoked a pipe at one time, and used to be very into cigars years ago)..

that said.. if we condemned everyone that had a habit or a hobby that we didn't like.. we'd all be fucked sooner or later...

Im much more into the idea that you do what you want, I'll do what I want.. and as long as you doing what you want doesn't negatively impact me, I'll do my best to make sure what Im doing doesn't negatively impact you..

We don't allow smoking in restaurants any longer.. we don't allow smoking on aircraft.. or city buses.. or in most buildings.. etc..etc..

its been a very long time since I've been bothered by someone else's cigarette smoke.. and on the very rare occurrence where it has happened over the last 40+ years since smoking has largely become unpopular in the US, its been pretty easy for me just to move a few feet away and no longer be bothered..

I guess I'd ask, what if someone tomorrow declares you never be allowed to have a fine wine because alcoholism has robbed them of too many people.. and people sweating out alcohol the next morning stink... or you can never eat another hostess product because Americans are fat asses and too many people are dying from diabetes.. and fat sweaty people stink.. or that you not be allowed to hunt deer anymore because too many women are crying at home while their husbands go missing for weeks at a time during hunting season, etc..etc.. would you concede? or tell them to pound sand?

Maybe my Indian neighbors should be banned from cooking their currie dishes? the women are starting to get a little portly over there, and if you've ever smelled an indian that's been eating currie every day for a week.. holy shit do they stink!



Were I a smoker (Im not) and anyone told me to "stop".. I'd very likely fire one up immediately and then start chain smoking until you finally got frustrated and left..

Im grown.. if I choose to destroy my body with cigarettes, whiskey, too much fatty red meat, or anything else.. and Im not infringing on your rights in the process.. I'd prefer that you not try to infringe on my rights because you feel inconvenienced in my execution of them..

People need to stop any bad habits they might have because THEY have a desire to stop.. not because anyone else wants them to stop..

…Im much more into the idea that you do what you want, I'll do what I want.. and as long as you doing what you want doesn't negatively impact me, I'll do my best to make sure what Im doing doesn't negatively impact you..“
thats the way it works

 

[BeeMaa]

I was a can a day of Copenhagen for nearly 40 years. I occasionally smoked cigarettes, but was more often a pipe. Dip was my #1 nicotine vice by far.

The only thing that made me quit was me. Not my wife, family, friends, government or anything else could change my mind. Whenever someone quits, they do it for themselves…no one else.

I’m coming up on 10 years nicotine free and the further you get from when I quit, the easier it gets.

Good luck to those who are wiling and able to put the habit down. The other side is better than you think.

 

[Neophyte]

To the OP;
You’re breathing oxygen. Just STOP IT.
Other people besides you need that oxygen. I too am sixty but I don’t consider myself the appointed, or is it anointed, one that decides what everyone else should do.
You do you and I’ll do me.
A non smoker.

 

[BRICKBURN]

I'm 60 years old and have never smoked but I've been robbed of dozens of men that mattered to me. They all died much earlier than they should have simply because they smoked. I could write a book and may share a few chapter but for now, here's my Top 10 reasons to quite smoking while you still can.

1. You stink,
2. A pack a day habit diverted into a 401k instead of being smoked will be worth $1 million in 36 years (at 10% return),
3. You stink, and those around you notice it,
4. Your legs could die three (3) years before you do (a chapter in the book),
5. You stink, and those around you notice it, they're just too polite to tell you,
6. You don't look cool, you look stupid,
7. You're robbing the world, your family, your PH and yourself of the best of you,
8. You're reducing your hunting ability,
9. If you live long enough, smoking is 100% fatal,
10. Did I mention that you stink?

I’m sorry you lost people you cared for. My condolences.

 

[fourfive8]

Did a long time ago. Also dipped some Copenhagen occasionally. I feel extremely fortunate to not be addiction prone. I really liked Copenhagen but quickly discovered I couldn’t get enough of it so that was that. Same for alcohol- have one drink occasionally and that’s that. I’m allergic to morphine so obviously not prone to opioid addiction. I thank my lucky stars and ancestry. And, someone smoking near me- doesn’t bother me in the least. Kind of a contrary reaction of many ex-smokers… so I dunno?

 

[deewayne2003]

I don’t believe in banning motorcycles and I have been crippled on one.

Well said!

Further more I've known more people killed and crippled on horses than all other forms or recreation combined..... but I don't want to ban them.

I do want to ban the US government from paying hundreds of millions of dollars annually to wealthy federally connected land owners to park POS invasive/destructive wild horses on their properties!

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

I don’t disagree…

But we’re paying for the obese, alcoholics, drug addicts, and everyone else under the sun with a bad habit…

Can’t really just single out the smokers can we?

Especially since so few people smoke nowadays compared to other vices. In the US at least.

From the American lung association:

• Long term, smoking rates have fallen 73% among adults, from 42.6% in 1965 to 11.6% in 2022.
• Long term, smoking rates have fallen 86% among youth, from 36.4% in 1997 to 3.8% in 2021.

I don’t have anyone among my immediate family or friends who smokes cigarettes.

It seems strange to me that smoking would still be a singled out these days.

 

[gbflyer]

Avoiding riding a motorcycle is no more difficult than not smoking. There are also many people who smoked and lived to be 100. George Burns was one. I don't smoke or ride motorcycles, but if I did I wouldn't want some self appointed keeper of the public health telling me they knew better than I what I should do.

Refer to post 4

 

[Flbt]

Well how much affects on our health is form all the nuclear test and bomba?
I have read that all metal has stuff in it from them and there is a need to find old metal forged before the nuk stuff. Idk

But back to the subject at hand.
I have ordered a batch of Sumatra tobacco and Havana tobacco seed to grow this year.

 

[Flbt]

Honestly I am not worried about getting cancer from smoking.
I am more worried about getting cancer from the chemicals used to grow food.
I have lost 3 very good friends in the last 2 years. They were fine then boom cancer and dead with in a few months. Only one of the 3 used tobacco and that was over 20 years ago
And I don’t think dip put a ball of cancer on his spine.
2-4-d , garlen, roundup, pareaquat, timick,
Arsenal, 7dust, ect. And nearly all of us eat it.

 

[pilar]

Honestly I am not worried about getting cancer from smoking.
I am more worried about getting cancer from the chemicals used to grow food.
I have lost 3 very good friends in the last 2 years. They were fine then boom cancer and dead with in a few months. Only one of the 3 used tobacco and that was over 20 years ago
And I don’t think dip put a ball of cancer on his spine.
2-4-d , garlen, roundup, pareaquat, timick,
Arsenal, 7dust, ect. And nearly all of us eat it.

You beat me to it, the big agribusiness GMO crude , roundup ready crops are terrible for your health, the homes we live in are giant boxes of toxins, paint, plastic pipes, cleaning products, no to mention All the pharmaceutical products in the drinking water

 

[Skshyk]

Today will be 30 days smoke free other then 1 cigar. After 25 years of smoking, I promised my 6 year old I will not smoke cigarettes' anymore so I do not pass on the bad habit like my dad who is 74 and still smokes 2 packs a day.

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

Honestly I am not worried about getting cancer from smoking.
I am more worried about getting cancer from the chemicals used to grow food.
I have lost 3 very good friends in the last 2 years. They were fine then boom cancer and dead with in a few months. Only one of the 3 used tobacco and that was over 20 years ago
And I don’t think dip put a ball of cancer on his spine.
2-4-d , garlen, roundup, pareaquat, timick,
Arsenal, 7dust, ect. And nearly all of us eat it.

I do wonder about that sort of thing.

Both my grandfather’s, one grandmother, and step grandfather died with leukemias
and some cancers found in parts of the body. All the men in their eighties.

It’s hard to say what caused it. The smoking surely didn’t help but they also lived during a period where many chemicals were unregulated. The men all served in WWII and God only knows what they could have been exposed to then. One actually visited Hiroshima just weeks after the a-bomb was dropped. All drank throughout their lives.

It’d be easy to pin things on the smoking if it were lung cancer and grandma did have emphysema but she also lived to 90.

As an older millennial and growing up in the “post smoking America” I’ve actually known more men who have died from massive heart attacks in middle age then from smoking.

 

[mark-hunter]

Possibly the fruit of hegelian dialectic.

Pardon my interest, but not many people in modern world ever heard for Hegel. I studied philosophy in classic gymnasium.
What is you your profession, or college curriculum?

 

[Sideshow]

3 pages in! I guess theres no smoke with out fire..... what too soon?

 

[Josh P]

Pardon my interest, but not many people in modern world ever heard for Hegel. I studied philosophy in classic gymnasium.
What is you your profession, or college curriculum?

I only have a bs in telecommunications, a couple semesters of seminary, but I work for the government so I have plenty of time to read and study on my own.

Learning comparatively little can illustrate just how much the masses don’t understand. Luciferian globalism is a scourge, but it’s at least understandable how they can be deceiving into their views of fellow men. Just go to Walmart the first week of the month.

Summarized: I know a couple words cause I’ve read a couple books. That’s about it.

 

[Doug Hamilton]

Refer to post 4

Generally, I find most smokers to be much less obnoxious than those in the anti-smoking (or gun, hunting, meat eating, hunting, etc.) camp.

 

[Flbt]

I do wonder about that sort of thing.

Both my grandfather’s, one grandmother, and step grandfather died with leukemias
and some cancers found in parts of the body. All the men in their eighties.

It’s hard to say what caused it. The smoking surely didn’t help but they also lived during a period where many chemicals were unregulated. The men all served in WWII and God only knows what they could have been exposed to then. One actually visited Hiroshima just weeks after the a-bomb was dropped. All drank throughout their lives.

It’d be easy to pin things on the smoking if it were lung cancer and grandma did have emphysema but she also lived to 90.

As an older millennial and growing up in the “post smoking America” I’ve actually known more men who have died from massive heart attacks in middle age then from smoking.

Chemical not really watched.
The amount used. I knew one guy when trying to kill tress and brush not around food crops.
Would make the chemicals so strong it looked like tea. The appropriate amout still looked like water in a 140gal tank

And the habit of farmers to get some on them
( it can wait till I get done) I don’t know how many times I have seen that so you have the chemicals on you for hrs.

I know when I use pour on ivermectin with a gun to worm cows. It leaks some where and I get wormed to right along with the cows.