IBM to help confiscate guns

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Thanks Bob. That is really interesting on a number of fronts. I particularly like the idea of a political party focused on rural and other issues. We still have sufficinet rural population in Canada that such a party could well end up with enough seats to hold a balance of power in a minority situation (like we find ourselves in now - except that it’s the socialists who hold the balance of power and keep the Liberals in office).

@Hank2211
Our own SF&F party even took a couple of major rural seats off the major parties by a big margin. The big boys know we have the ability and backing of rural folk and others to have to listen to us.
Bob

 

[Hank2211]

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen Just a bit of information for you regarding gun laws in Canada. Center fire rifles are limited to a five shot capacity. So we don't have AR-15s that can shoot 20 or 30 rounds. But yet that style of rifle are the ones that are being targeted. It's not due to their functionality.... it's due solely to their appearance. Anything that is black, composite, and has a military look to it appears to be what they are targeting to ban. Another note is that in Canada the AR-15 and similar rifles were already classed as prohibited. That means that they cannot be hunted with. They are to be stored at home under lock and key, and can only be used at a government designated firing range. You also need the proper paperwork to transport said firearm to and from the range, and it must be locked during transport as well. There are several safe storage laws that are enforced here. Personally, I don't have an issue with the laws regarding safe storage. On another note, I wouldn't be able to hunt with an AR-15 even if it wasn't restricted because it is too small of a caliber. Granted, this law isn't the same Canada wide, but the provinces that have restrictions don't vary by much. (6mm, .23 ,.24)
But yet we have a prime minister that speaks to the public and says things like "You don't need an AR 15 to take down a deer." Well no shit Sherlock! And we don't. We aren't allowed to. So is he so ignorant that he makes backroom legal legislation/laws without even knowing what the existing laws are? (This was pushed through by order of council, which may not be technically illegal, is certainly very underhanded and unscrupulous. "Dirty" may be the best word for it. Unfortunately , the general public doesn't know any better and go along with it because most tend to agree that you don't need a bloody machine gun to hunt deer!!!! And that is what the uninformed population believes is what is being banned. Many believe that they are full auto that can shoot hundreds of rounds in mere seconds! Others know that such a firearm is prohibited to own in Canada. If it has a wood stalk and a blued barrel it must be safe, but an identical firearm with a synthetic stock and aftermarket rail is an atrocity that is putting our public in immediate danger! Everyone's safety is at risk because Joe Blow target shooter owns an AR-15 that he keeps in his house, locked up in a safe, with a trigger lock on it as well, and keeps his ammunition locked up separately. Wow.

One small note @Cam Moon. The AR-15 platform was restricted, not prohibited. But apart from that nitpicking observation, your comments about the AR-15 style rifles are bang on. Banned because of appearance. You could do more damage with a .22 with a 50 round magazine!

But we shouldn’t forget that Trudeau also banned “big” guns - anything with a muzzle energy over 10,000 jules is also banned. This was meant to capture the 50 cal weapons, in particular the .50 cal BMG, of which there are probably very, very few in Canada. These were banned because someone suggested they could be used in mass shooting situations - like a 5 round capacity AR-15! But in banning that rifle, they also banned all of the “really big bore” elephant guns. The .577 Tyrannosaur was, for example, banned. I have no wish to joke about mass shooting events, but seriously, does anyone think that this is the rifle of choice for mass shooters? Getting that second shot off (accurately or not) is bit of a challenge!

So we have politicians who lie to the media, and the media which laps it up, and a population who don’t know any better and wouldn’t believe a firearms owner if they met one. Not a great recipe for glum owners.

 

[Neil Molendyk]

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen Just a bit of information for you regarding gun laws in Canada. Center fire rifles are limited to a five shot capacity. So we don't have AR-15s that can shoot 20 or 30 rounds. But yet that style of rifle are the ones that are being targeted. It's not due to their functionality.... it's due solely to their appearance. Anything that is black, composite, and has a military look to it appears to be what they are targeting to ban. Another note is that in Canada the AR-15 and similar rifles were already classed as prohibited. That means that they cannot be hunted with. They are to be stored at home under lock and key, and can only be used at a government designated firing range. You also need the proper paperwork to transport said firearm to and from the range, and it must be locked during transport as well. There are several safe storage laws that are enforced here. Personally, I don't have an issue with the laws regarding safe storage. On another note, I wouldn't be able to hunt with an AR-15 even if it wasn't restricted because it is too small of a caliber. Granted, this law isn't the same Canada wide, but the provinces that have restrictions don't vary by much. (6mm, .23 ,.24)
But yet we have a prime minister that speaks to the public and says things like "You don't need an AR 15 to take down a deer." Well no shit Sherlock! And we don't. We aren't allowed to. So is he so ignorant that he makes backroom legal legislation/laws without even knowing what the existing laws are? (This was pushed through by order of council, which may not be technically illegal, is certainly very underhanded and unscrupulous. "Dirty" may be the best word for it. Unfortunately , the general public doesn't know any better and go along with it because most tend to agree that you don't need a bloody machine gun to hunt deer!!!! And that is what the uninformed population believes is what is being banned. Many believe that they are full auto that can shoot hundreds of rounds in mere seconds! Others know that such a firearm is prohibited to own in Canada. If it has a wood stalk and a blued barrel it must be safe, but an identical firearm with a synthetic stock and aftermarket rail is an atrocity that is putting our public in immediate danger! Everyone's safety is at risk because Joe Blow target shooter owns an AR-15 that he keeps in his house, locked up in a safe, with a trigger lock on it as well, and keeps his ammunition locked up separately. Wow.

Correction on the above: until the Order in Council of May 1, 2020. AR style semi automatic firearms were restricted to 5 shot magazines, but were classified as restricted. The OIC arbitrarily reclassified them as "prohibited"and the only persons that can possess them are those having the Prohibited status. This status was grandfathered years ago and is no longer awarded. All those with the previously "restricted AR style platform" will soon be in contravention of the OIC (May 1, 2022) and therefore considered in possession of an illegal firearm and subject to criminal charges. To all of my fellow Canadians, please check out what the CCFR i(Canadian Coaltion for Firearms Rights) is pursuing regarding this.

Sorry for the duplication: I should have read the Hank2211 post first

 

[Cam Moon]

One small note @Cam Moon. The AR-15 platform was restricted, not prohibited. But apart from that nitpicking observation, your comments about the AR-15 style rifles are bang on.

It's not "nitpicking" at all! There is a BIG difference between the classifications of restricted and prohibited. Which was actually what my point was. It would have helped my argument if I would have proof read and noticed my mistake! I have no idea how I mistakenly wrote prohibited instead of restricted. Perhaps my mind being boggled by the stupidity of it all! But I do thank you for pointing it out. And yes, this Order in Counsel resulted in not only the reclassification of the rifles that have a "military look" but anything capable of firing at 10,000 jules, and several others too. I had a link to the ever-changing (at random) list... I'll try to find it.

 

[Cam Moon]

Correction on the above: until the Order in Council of May 1, 2020. AR style semi automatic firearms were restricted to 5 shot magazines, but were classified as restricted. The OIC arbitrarily reclassified them as "prohibited"

Neil you are 100% correct. I was aware of this and have no idea how I accidentally wrote prohibited where I meant to write restricted. Thank you for bringing it to my attention! (As well as for the additional information you provided) I believe this OIC is the first time in history that something like this has been done. Trust Justin Trudeau to be the one who would do it!

 

[Cam Moon]

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[MarkB]

Glad I am one of the very few grandfathered in under restricted and prohibited. Still this has not change my mind for Trudope or his dumbed downs. What I find most difficult is how the mass population of Canadians actually believe all he states. Even after he has won the title of first PM with most confirmed lies, sneaky deals, and dictatorship ways. Frustrating time to be an honest tax paying Canadian, best time to be a dumbed down, gang bangin, drug dealing criminal. Worst is we may/probably will get lots more time with the idiot leading.

MB

 

[Pheroze]

What I find most difficult is how the mass population of Canadians actually believe all he states. Even after he has won the title of first PM with most confirmed lies, sneaky deals, and dictatorship ways.

The apologists disgust me. When I see a guy dressed up, mocking black people, I say that person is a racist. After his ardent apologies he dismisses, in the most arrogant manner possible, an indigenous protester who wants drinking water. This fellow is as revolting as they come. But the GTA is largely employed, in one manner or another, by the government. How the heck does Quebec and BC have such low unemployment rates? Government funded industry/bureaucracy etc. The key to power. Sorry - raging now...

 

[sgt_zim]

Gee. I guess I was wrong then. We should definitely substitute name calling (‘commie’) for reasoned discussion. I will try to do better in the new year.

You operate from the position of integrity, and seem to believe negotiation with Marxists and other statists will always be at arms-length because that is the way you do negotiations.

Marxism is evil, as are all variants of statism. In any compromise between Good and Evil, Evil is always the victor. Always.

 

[PARA45]

Then we better retain at least one of those Georgia senate seats, or they can do just about anything they want that doesn't require a constitutional amendment. Anything. Meanwhile a broad swath of Trump voters seem to be intent upon staying home in order to "boycott" in protest of the "stolen" election. Schumer and Abrams, behind closed doors, must be laughing so hard they are in tears. Only conservatives and the republican party could manage to do this to themselves.

By the way, Trafalgar, a republican friendly polling organization has both behind four days from the election. Can't make it up.

I have not seen that happening in the town I live in. Maybe because its due to the majority of the population either military retired, or works on base. We went to vote during the week, and it took us every bit of two hours to cast our vote. Everyone who I've spoken to in our circle of trust, has gone to vote. I hope those protesting think the grave damage they are doing by sitting at home. I guess, we'll know tomorrow.

 

[Chago]

Trudeau can go fuck himself.... I already sold my shit to Mike up in Thunder Bay. We met at a tim Hortons so I don't know where he lives exactly. The non restricted guns he put on the list are laughable. They will have a less then 10% compliance. Why would anyone bring in a NR. They don't have a clue where those are.

 

[MarkB]

Trudope is already tightening the regs secretly. I was stopped by CO's two times last year while hunting, after confirming weapon safety, next question= Can I see your current PAL? Not hunting license or tags but PAL. I asked why and seams a memo has come down from the top directing new enforcement of PALs as priority. No PAL handed over for inspection and firearms are confiscated. Yes a current PAL is the law but never seen it enforced until this year. A coincidence I think not.

Upsetting time to be a legal gun owner.

MB

 

[Ragman]

Trudope is already tightening the regs secretly. I was stopped by CO's two times last year while hunting, after confirming weapon safety, next question= Can I see your current PAL? Not hunting license or tags but PAL. I asked why and seams a memo has come down from the top directing new enforcement of PALs as priority. No PAL handed over for inspection and firearms are confiscated. Yes a current PAL is the law but never seen it enforced until this year. A coincidence I think not.

Upsetting time to be a legal gun owner.

MB

Why would a CO be checking your PAL anyway? They are there to enforce provincial wildlife/fish/forestry/parks laws. I think I’d be asking questions if asked to show my PAL. I’m not disrespecting Conservation Officers at all, but I think that’s overstepping their authority. However I could be wrong.

 

[MarkB]

CO's have the same authority as RCMP to enforce all Canadian laws, they are also peace officers giving them almost same powers as RCMP. Them checking PALs and confiscating firearms is a newly enforced rule. Due to Trudopes and Blairs gun grabbing wants. They explained that all hunters had been compliant, problem is when Wives, GF or non hunting buddies stay in camp with an unsecured firearm. (Gun in tent without trigger lock). Those guns were confiscated and the hunters who left them unsecured with a non PAL individual get charged. Its all another way to take guns from citizens, for some reason Liberals are afraid of an armed public.

MB

 

[PARA45]

Wow, I did not realize that our Canadian brothers were dealing with so much sh*t! We need to wake up here in the US, or we'll be next. Shaking my head in disbelieve.

 

[MarkB]

Sad times for legal gun owners this side of the border. Seams more and more crap comes our way daily. Each small new rule, regulation or road block diminishes firearm owners, some large and some small but all are hurting legal firearm ownership.

Then we have the Politicians that are managing our wildlife by emotion, our own AHole Premier, Horgan who closed our most regulated scientifically studied G-Bear seasons. Just had some lady on the 6 news from a wildlife recovery place state that hunters lead bullets were poisoning the bald eagles. More anti BS and propaganda headed our way. Then worst of all is our FN problems. they will end with total rule of all wild areas in Canada.

Libs gun grab is only one portion of the changes coming to Canada for legal firearm owners. Remember what Trudope stated publicly, hunters do not require assault rifles to hunt, BUT first nations can hunt with them as they are exempt from the new rules. WTH

MB

 

[steve white]

We already had unlimited gun confiscation, with only a Governor's emergency authorization. It happened during and after hurricane Katrina. Guns were rounded up in New Orleans--even vessels were boarded and guns taken, and not all from La. residents. The NRA has a video entitled "Never Again" I believe is the title. The news didn't even report it. I think it was a test run of what would happen. What happened? People caved in. Then they were unarmed in the midst of looting, etc.
Yeah, it can happen--the real problem? It HAS to happen for socialists to take over.

 

[OxfordTheCat]

Why would a CO be checking your PAL anyway? They are there to enforce provincial wildlife/fish/forestry/parks laws. I think I’d be asking questions if asked to show my PAL. I’m not disrespecting Conservation Officers at all, but I think that’s overstepping their authority. However I could be wrong.

Because the hunting regulations stipulate that you must have your PAL and provide it when requested if you're hunting with a firearm.

In Ontario:

If you are in possession of a gun for the purpose of hunting in Ontario, you are required to carry proof of your firearms accreditation under the Firearms Act (Canada) - this includes apprentice hunters (12-14 year old residents) who cannot yet obtain a firearms licence. Every gun hunter must carry one of the following: a valid possession and acquisition licence, a valid minor’s licence, or a stamped copy of a Canadian Firearms Safety Course (CFSC) student report as official documentation showing successful completion of the CFSC (for apprentice hunters who have not yet obtained their minor’s licence).
...
You are required to produce this documentation to a conservation officer upon request.

 

[MarkB]

I am sure every Province has same rules, as laws are Federal. My point is in BC last fall was first year CO's have asked, and asked before any hunting docs were shown. PALs had higher priority to CO's than tags or hunting license's. Then this became a legal great way for more confiscations.

Canada also had a "legal" gun confiscation not so long ago. During the High River Alberta floods RCMP officers smashed down front doors of homes not even effected by the flood to access legal firearms. How did they know what houses had unregistered long guns??? Maybe they never disposed of the old registry as directed by Fed Gov?? Worse part that was under a Conservative Gov. Proves we as Canadians gun owners are doomed. I do hope that the current legal challenges put forward by the CCFR and others receives a favorable outcome. Every Canadian Gun Owner should be sending monies normally donated to other causes to this battle. It really is our last chance and stand.

MB

 

[Ragman]

Well that doesn’t sound good. I know they are peace officers with a lot of the same powers as the RCMP, but I did not believe that the provincial governments (especially in Western Canada where the provinces have fought the registry) would direct the COs to focus on PAL checks. I have never been asked to show mine.

I just had a look through Sask’s guide and there isn’t anything in it referring to PAL checks. However this is mostly a summary of the Regulations and it just might not be included in this supplement. Which to me seems misleading. I guess I have some learning to do.