Hunting wild cattle/bovines...

[Green Chile]

It never ceases to amaze me how something roughly the size of a 1972 VW beetle can simply vanish in the blink of an eye.

It has to be observed to be believed...it is amazing. I'm still stunned how quickly a group of elephant can leave without making much if any sound. They are incredibly loud sometimes...and then they whisper around on their padded feet with their tails and trunks up as big as a semi truck. Normally you are at ground level and it's hard to see what's going on but on my ele hunt in Oct, I was on a hillside and watched them move out and over the hill like that in a group of 4 bulls. It's spooky.

 

[grand veneur]

There are also various subspecies of the Banteng and the Gaur. When it comes to trophies, it is sometimes very difficult to differentiate between them.

I once had a conversation about this with the author of the book HORNED GIANTS-Hunting Eurasian Wild Cattle-by Capt. John H.Brant. I can recommend the book to anyone who is interested in hunting Eurasian buffaloes.

The famous picture of a Kouprey shot in Indochina, if I remember well, with a rifle MAS Fournier caliber 10,75x68 Mauser. A buffalo species of appearance extinct.

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@Hunter-Habib

Unfortunately, too many Kouprey were shot in the past, allegedly for scientific reasons. The species, if it really existed as a separate species, appears to be extinct.

 

[Foxi]

I don't know anyone who has hunted with Josch. I've sent a few emails that didn't get a reply. Perhaps he is retired now.

I was told that he now lives with his wife in Vienna.
He specialized in mountain buffalo at Mt Loosingmoor in Tanzania.
Everyone I spoke to who hunted with him up there, told me it was the ultimate hunt or never again.
The area was then leased by Robin Hurt/Sons and as always fabulous prices.
If you want to see a lot of game up there, you are at the wrong address, you need good knees, nothing for flatlanders, a preference for humid rainforests and a deep wallet that is twice as big as for a normal buffalo hunt.
Chances 40:60 or less



His videos are all great and this is the best

 

[eswan68587]

I’ve taken all of the African buffalo, banteng, australian buff, south american water buff, and barren ground muskox. Also took a scrub bull in australia.

I am always ready to head to new destinations to hunt additional species!

 

[cwpayton]

I have the Southern Cape buffalo, the Nile buffalo, Western Savannah buffalo and Central Savannah buffalo... just need a Dwarf Forest buff I think to finish out the African bovine. Shot buff and banteng in Oz. Just didn't have the heart to shoot buff in Argentina, just stood and looked at me. And did get a muskox in Greenland... love hunting the wild bovine!

There is a buffalo they call "park buffalo" a cross breed , they are utterly enormous, Gigantic. Ive seen a mount and it was over 6' tall chest to head. they are from far north Yukon or Canada territories. worth looking into if you want a buffalo slam.

 

[grand veneur]

I’ve taken all of the African buffalo, banteng, australian buff, south american water buff, and barren ground muskox. Also took a scrub bull in australia.

I am always ready to head to new destinations to hunt additional species!

I would not classify the Muskox as a buffalo, it is a Bovidae but rather related to the goats and sheep, but that is right, its herd behavior and its ability to stay standing when threatened, remind rather of buffalo behavior.

 

[grand veneur]

There is a buffalo they call "park buffalo" a cross breed , they are utterly enormous, Gigantic. Ive seen a mount and it was over 6' tall chest to head. they are from far north Yukon or Canada territories. worth looking into if you want a buffalo slam.

You mean the Beefalo, the cross breed between bison and domestic cattle, I suppose. There are some more or less successful cross breed's between various cattle species worldwide, particularly in Asia.

 

[Green Chile]

I’ve taken all of the African buffalo, banteng, australian buff, south american water buff, and barren ground muskox. Also took a scrub bull in australia.

I am always ready to head to new destinations to hunt additional species!

Which of the Australia species were your favorite? I’ve been told the banteng is the most interesting of the 3.

 

[channelkat]

I would not classify the Muskox as a buffalo, it is a Bovidae but rather related to the goats and sheep, but that is right, its herd behavior and its ability to stay standing when threatened, remind rather of buffalo behavior.

Splitting hairs. Muskox still on my hitlist

 

[SWS1]

Which of the Australia species were your favorite? I’ve been told the banteng is the most interesting of the 3.

I've hunted both 2 X water buff, 1 x banteng. I'm back again in October this year chasing both again, and also a scrub bull.
I suspect the 'interesting' qualities depends upon where you are hunting. Water buff on the flood plains do tend to stand their ground and get inquisitive.
Banteng for me was awesome.. stalking one through the paperbark forest.. I can see that being an every other year hunt for me!

 

[cwpayton]

You mean the Beefalo, the cross breed between bison and domestic cattle, I suppose. There are some more or less successful cross breed's between various cattle species worldwide, particularly in Asia.

no sir, not beefalo, as i recall its a cross of woodland AND plains buffalo{bison}. its gianormous, dont know if its on a private preserve. but I saw the mount in Idaho.

 

[Green Chile]

Anything woodland bison related is going to be very big. They make the plains bison look small.

 

[cwpayton]

Anything woodland bison related is going to be very big. They make the plains bison look small.

I will call the Taxidermist tomorrow and try and run the true story down on this beast and post it here .

 

[Sarg]

Which of the Australia species were your favorite? I’ve been told the banteng is the most interesting of the 3.

I was guide & head guide for a few Bantang hunting outfits, from Wimray - Hunt Australia & some smaller outfits to the last few years also.

I absolutely love hunting Bantang, proper hunting & if on the Burg proper interesting area, with a small chance of a Sambar Stag.

I have been charged by them multiple times & tossed once (in the early days, taking them too lightly & under gunned) beautiful animal & Very under rated.

There are some huge Buffalo in the Bantang area on the Flood Plains outside the Park, in the Park there are Buffalo also in limited numbers, mainly because the Rangers have a shoot on sight policy so numbers are greatly reduced.

In the 1830's Cobourg was actually the first point of entry of Water Buffalo & Bantang into Australia at Port Essington one of the first settlements the remains of which can still be viewed today (with a bit of effort) unfortunately there are massive costs involved running a viable hunting outfit in Outback Australia & doubly so in extra remote Cobourg.

Bantang are my pick, "Real" Red Bull - Scrub Bull then Water Buffalo in that order for hunting challenge & aggressiveness !

 

[Flbt]

I have not hunted wild cattle.
I have been involved in a few cattle killings.
Where there to mean to rope and or move where they had to be killed.
And where you had to kill one to get out of a tree or to save your horse.

 

[cwpayton]

Taxidermists Linked in Idaho Trophy Poaching Scandal: Father-Son Business Charged

A high-profile Idaho poaching investigation has widened, with new charges filed against a father-son taxidermy team from Filer, Idaho.

gearjunkie.com

Schiermeier Taxidermy owners charged with evidence destruction, several misdemeanors

A father-son duo based in Filer are being charged with several counts, including felony concealment of evidence.

www.ktvb.com

So in trying to authenticate the PARK BUFFALO , Ive tried repeatedly to contact my" former" Taxidermist. I have no answer yet. the above links are apparently the reason why! Sad to find this out, doesnt look good but no verdict yet.
having said that the Idaho F+G hasnt got the most stellar reputation either, so Im withholding judgement.
The best I can do is check with Antler Addictions in Alberta Canada a private preserve ranch.

 

[Green Chile]

I have not hunted wild cattle.
I have been involved in a few cattle killings.
Where there to mean to rope and or move where they had to be killed.
And where you had to kill one to get out of a tree or to save your horse.

When I was young and farming/ranching, we had one cow in particular that was nasty and we knew it. We always kept an eye on her as we didn't trust her. One time in doctoring them, she left the squeeze chute, did a u-turn and hit the medicine table blowing up a bunch of expensive meds and broke my boss's hand in the process. She should have been put down. She later caused a panic in the holding pen and 3 cows went under the rest and were so damaged, they had to be put down. She wasn't worth the trouble!

 

[cwpayton]

 

[cwpayton]

so above photo is from my Taxidermist of a park buffalo ,on the left and a plains buffalo on the right. size comparison! They do excellent work.

 

[cwpayton]

another pic