Hotchkiss Rifle

The only thing that I would add to a very thorough description was that the hollow base idea conceived by Minie was to allow the use of a bullet of smaller diameter than the bore to offset some of the fowling problem (and facilitate speed of reload). After two or three rounds, early military rifles like the Baker had to have the bullets practically hammered down the bore.

Even the earliest breechloaders like the original Sharps used the paper "cartridge" you describe, and closing the breech sheered off the end exposing the powder for the separately loaded percussion cap.
Interesting. Apparently standard round balls for smoothbore Springfield muskets also were significantly smaller than the bore (0.65 vs 0.69 bore). What would be the actual diameter of a Minie bullet for a 0.69 bore Springfield rifled musket? Same diameter, just expandable to fit more tightly in the bore?

Presumably muzzle loading sniper rifles of the period still used cloth patches for greater accuracy?
 
Interesting. Apparently standard round balls for smoothbore Springfield muskets also were significantly smaller than the bore (0.65 vs 0.69 bore). What would be the actual diameter of a Minie bullet for a 0.69 bore Springfield rifled musket? Same diameter, just expandable to fit more tightly in the bore?

Presumably muzzle loading sniper rifles of the period still used cloth patches for greater accuracy?
I am not sure about how the Whitworth was loaded, but I do know that it used a unique hexagon bore rather than traditional rifling. The bore also had a much faster rate of twist than a common Springfield or Enfield to stabilize the longer .45 caliber bullets.
 
I am not sure about how the Whitworth was loaded, but I do know that it used a unique hexagon bore rather than traditional rifling. The bore also had a much faster rate of twist than a common Springfield or Enfield to stabilize the longer .45 caliber bullets.
Powder, wad, and .451bullet, cap and fire. Very simple and fun. You don’t need to use the hexagonal bullet, but they are more accurate if you do. I’ve only shot them to 300 yard. I will add that the front sight on them is too chunky for my liking. And as to the OP's rifle, if it is in good condition mechanically, give it a service/deep clean and use it, it’s what they were designed for, there is loading information out there, though I’d only use real black powder and lead projectile, no BP substitute garbage
gumpy
 
Rifled muskets ... interesting. That must have been a brief technological development between patched rifles/smoothbore muskets and breech loading repeater rifles. A lot happened in just a few decades ... but nothing compared to armaments advancements at the turn of 20th century.
Depends on one's definition of Brief. A perverbial keeping up with the Jones', the Smith's, and the Here hold my beer folks.

Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. It wasn't "....just a few decades.", but nearly, if not over, a century before a lot of the "technologies" that were adapted to and used during the American Civil War actually date back to the early and mid 1700's, to and through the American Revolutionary War.

The first rifled barrel of the 1700's had 2 grooves. The competition was wild. The second rifled barrel, is debateable, was 3 and 4 not sure which was actually second. If I'm not mistaken the most grooves ended with 9 or 11. With 7 grooves as being the best and most accurate for the firearms (or rather more so for the powders) of the era.

With the new rifled barrel came the no more need ideology bigger is needed and longer is better. The need for bigger diameter balls to kill and the need for the longer barrels to be more accurate.

Practicality often out weighed advanced technology. ie. Cap guns were not a practical choice for the Longhunters and trappers venturing into the wilderness past the Appalachian Mountains. As trading post or forts were first non existent only later becoming few and far between, and even later came the establishment of settlements.

Developing a timeline chart will show, relatively speaking, many firearm advancements were being made. Inevitably these advancements were either slow to be accepted or totally rejected because these advancements just didn't seem to be worth the purchasing of a new firearm when one already had a perfectly good firearm.

Just a brief list of these advancements:

Evolution and production of black powder and smokeless black powder

Entering the era of mass producing firearms.

Miscellaneous accounterment inventions and improvements

Rifling, and rifling twist.

From round ball to conical and early metallurgy

The invention and production of the cap and debate Flintlock vs Caplock.

Development of ballistics

The Ferguson Rifle, the first repeating rifle.

If the focus on firearm advancement during this era is solely concentrated here in the colonies, now the United States of America, we miss the advances in firearm development by other countries like France and England.

To put things in perspective during these earlier years, America is rural and for the most part communal, with few cities, money is in short supply, the barter system is the norm for obtaining sustainable needs: food not grown or raised, powder, lead, seed, tools, etc.. Communication is mainly by word of mouth, church is the local gossip center, perhaps recieving a letter from friends or family members living in another community dated a week or longer old, and a shared city newspaper just posted today outside the local general store, dated 2 weeks or more old. Travel is done by horse drawn carriage or wagon, but mostly by walking. Work starts at sunrise and ends at sundown. Education is minimal at best (as to today's 7th grade level standards).

For those that have trades, ie. store owner, silversmith, gunsmith, etc. are generally better educated, wear better daily clothing, often held in higher regard because of their financial status and skills.
 
Interesting. Apparently standard round balls for smoothbore Springfield muskets also were significantly smaller than the bore (0.65 vs 0.69 bore). What would be the actual diameter of a Minie bullet for a 0.69 bore Springfield rifled musket? Same diameter, just expandable to fit more tightly in the bore?

Presumably muzzle loading sniper rifles of the period still used cloth patches for greater accuracy?

Unfortunately I don't have a 69 cal minie ball to measure but I do have 58 cal minie balls I can measure to give you an idea of the 69 cal minie ball diameter.
 
Question: Is it a Marlin 32-40; 44-40 or 32-20? It will interesting to see photos of the rifle.
I didn't take a real good look - the room with the safe is lot well lit. The first number was 32, I'm pretty sure the second was 40 - but I won't swear to it. It's octagon barrel, looks like ivory front sight.

I'll get it out into the light and take some pictures. I remember when my dad got the rifle, the guy he got it from had an old Winchester lever action shotgun in 10 gauge - with ammo.
 
Just love watching a Wikipedia duel. :cool:

Back to the OP's original question. I am fairly sure he did not find a breechloading canon in the back of the safe. :rolleyes:

Designed after the War Between the States, the Model 1888 was adopted in limited numbers by both the US Navy and US Army. It was the first bolt action adopted by the US military and fired the standard rifle loading of the 45-70. The Army dumped it rather quickly and stayed with the 1873 Springfield, though the Navy maintained it. With the advent of smokeless powder, both services adopted the M1895 Lee Navy.

They have some collector value. Depending on original condition and whether carbine or rifle, they can bring $2-6K. I would not shoot it.
Red Leg,

Right you are - I may not have the knowledge you guys posses, but I do know a cannon when I see one. Although, I did find a big ram-rod in an out building - perhaps I should keep looking.
 
Red Leg,

I did find some old Colt pistols, some Sharps, and some Springfields.

Here's a couple pictures I took awhile ago.
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I didn't take a real good look - the room with the safe is lot well lit. The first number was 32, I'm pretty sure the second was 40 - but I won't swear to it. It's octagon barrel, looks like ivory front sight.

I'll get it out into the light and take some pictures. I remember when my dad got the rifle, the guy he got it from had an old Winchester lever action shotgun in 10 gauge - with ammo.
Please don't ask me...well on second thought ask me first in 2027 to put this on consignment as I might be able to afford the 10 gauge lever action by then.:cool::ROFLMAO:
 
Here's a couple pictures of the Hotchkiss and the Marlin. The Marlin is 32-40

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