Hornady just announced bonded DGX

[Foxi]

. Ammo is expensive in Africa.

in Zimbabwe 1 cartridge .375 H+H = 20.- USD
Its a currency there (and the .458 WinMag )

 

[Ridgewalker]

in Zimbabwe 1 cartridge .375 H+H = 20.- USD
Its a currency there (and the .458 WinMag )

OUCH!
If you borrow a PH’s gun can you bring in your own ammo?
How about South Africa, ie can you bring in just ammo?
Thanks!

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

OUCH!
If you borrow a PH’s gun can you bring in your own ammo?
How about South Africa, ie can you bring in just ammo?
Thanks!

Has been done in RSA. Was in camp with some guys that did this. They made SAPS fully aware of it, they didn't sneak it in. But that was a few years ago, so things may have changed.

 

[tarbe]

So am I missing something, or are they basically bringing back the Interbond?

I did some impromptu penetration testing on timbers with 400gr Interbond at 2,100 fps impact velocity out of a Rigby.

The recovered bullets weighed 80 - 85% of original (320 to 345gr).

I figured they quit making the Interbond because they could not compete at the price point with Swift, et al.

 

[Wheels]

So am I missing something, or are they basically bringing back the Interbond?

I did some impromptu penetration testing on timbers with 400gr Interbond at 2,100 fps impact velocity out of a Rigby.

The recovered bullets weighed 80 - 85% of original (320 to 345gr).

I figured they quit making the Interbond because they could not compete at the price point with Swift, et al.

Does that make DGX the same as New Coke and Interbond the same as Coke Classic?!?!

 

[Ridgewalker]

So am I missing something, or are they basically bringing back the Interbond?

I did some impromptu penetration testing on timbers with 400gr Interbond at 2,100 fps impact velocity out of a Rigby.

The recovered bullets weighed 80 - 85% of original (320 to 345gr).

I figured they quit making the Interbond because they could not compete at the price point with Swift, et al.

Tarbe, I don’t think the old Interbond had a steel jacket.

 

[tarbe]

Tarbe, I don’t think the old Interbond had a steel jacket.

You are correct!

 

[ChrisG]

I just looked them up,

They are the same price as the original DGX so that they are now actually worth spending a dollar a bullet on!

 

[ChrisG]

Hornady do not have a great reputation with DG bullets. The new Bonded DGX may be an improvement.

Some issues I see are:
The jacket is too thin towards the front.
There is no expansion arrestment such as with A-frame or Rhino(solid rear core), therefore velocity will be a big expansion control factor.
It is once again rear weighted design which is always an issue in DG bullet.

They may perform ok in doubles as the shape is traditional for regulation and the MV low enough.

Time will tell but I would not try them in my 500 Jeff for hunting, perhaps for plinking.

I don't know as the DGX needs an expansion arrester. The jacket is made of a ductile steel which means that it can be a fair deal thinner than copper or gilding metal and have the same tensile strength. Gilding metal, I'll use the C21000 in its annealed state (the most ductile version) as an example has a maximum tensile strength of 40,000psi. even the cheapest softest mild steel has a tensile strength of over 53,000psi. that means that their jacket, which is the same thickness as most heavy copper jackets is going to be at the very least 32% stronger. My guess is that they had to make the nose thinner or it would barely expand at all. But I would be willing to bet you could slam one of these into a lot of stuff and even if it sheds the nose, the shank would probably stay pretty well intact. I guess time will tell. This is all theory and as Hornady proved with their original DGX, engineers in a cubicle can solve a lot of problems mathematically but animals are not killed with logic and math.

 

[spike.t]

Why don't we go back to the powders, brass and bullets of the early 20th century? After all it worked for them and dead is dead.

phil what do you mean go back?.........

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

phil what do you mean go back?.........

Forgot you still had some original kegs of Cordite. What'd you have to pay for a 1lb keg back then?

 

[spike.t]

Forgot you still had some original kegs of Cordite. What'd you have to pay for a 1lb keg back then?

oh about 19 shillings for the good stuff made by hornady....... otherwise had to make do with kynoch

 

[AZDAVE]

I am a swift aframe fan. However I did shoot a zebra on my first safari with a DGX out of my 450NE andit took out the near side ribs and off side shoulder then kept heading for the Indian ocean. @CAustin don't forget there is "Big Bore slap your grandma pull the dirt in behind ya dead"

 

[CAustin]

Ok Dave we have to add that one to the degrees of dead!

 

[CTDolan]

5.
The last thought here is partly for humor sake but with an element of truth:
IMO, If Swift were to make their A-Frame line of bullets available with the "coffee thermos profile", Hornady's newest bonded core DGX bullets would not sell well.

I have always felt the same and really wish Swift made an A-frame, or Nosler a Partition, in .416 caliber, with a blunt nose (a 400 grain hammer). After all, I’m not going to be blasting my .416 Ruger at game at long range and could use the bit more powder space that would come with such a shorter projectile (and feel as though the blunt nose would hit a bit harder).

 

[IvW]

I have always felt the same and really wish Swift made an A-frame, or Nosler a Partition, in .416 caliber, with a blunt nose (a 400 grain hammer). After all, I’m not going to be blasting my .416 Ruger at game at long range and could use the bit more powder space that would come with such a shorter projectile (and feel as though the blunt nose would hit a bit harder).

The 400gr .416 Swift A-frame, with excellent SD of .330 is a big enough hammer just the way it sits. Anything you hit in the right place with that bullet is going one way, down! No need for extra speed at the ranges you mention, it hits hard enough.

 

[fourfive8]

Yes, no need to change the nose profile on most lead core, jacketed soft points. The nose will flatten very soon after initial contact anyway and continue to expand with a flat-nose profile until termination. Non-expanding true solids are the ones where nose profile is important for straight line stability/penetration. The flat nosed designs are primarily for straight line penetration and not so much for "hitting harder"... although that (mis) perception continues on and on

 

[lockingblock]

Hornady put out a strong public photo in support of the ongoing struggle for White South Africans safety. Hornady is a good company that is very willing to put their money and their company on the line in order to support hunters. Unlike Winchester, Federal, and BH...Hornady is not a major defense supplier and they are super pro 2A in the US. Frankly, I prefer to spend my money with a company like that over Federal/Winchester/Remington.

 

[IvW]

Hornady put out a strong public photo in support of the ongoing struggle for White South Africans safety. Hornady is a good company that is very willing to put their money and their company on the line in order to support hunters. Unlike Winchester, Federal, and BH...Hornady is not a major defense supplier and they are super pro 2A in the US. Frankly, I prefer to spend my money with a company like that over Federal/Winchester/Remington.

It is not just us White South Africans who are victims of safety. Crime, corruption, violence and murder is colour blind in Africa. Our nation as a whole needs to turn back to God, that is the only way South Africa and the rest of Africa will come right.

When it comes to ammunition, I prefer to use the best I can get, that I know works, no matter the small cost involved when compared to the price of a safari, especially when DG is on the menu. Same thing when lives are at stake, use the best you can get.

A public photo aint gonna help you if the product you use is not up to the task, period.

 

[lockingblock]

The task ain't that hard of a task. Frankly, we really overdo it a bit when it comes to shooting animals. I'm not saying we should use junk...but bullets today are really good overall. The Hornady DG series may not be 100% best in every way...but they are well above being good enough to get the job done. The bonded versions will be every bit as good as other similar bonded bullets on the market.

The thing is this...in a professional capacity, I've shot everything from vehicles, body armor, all types of glass (laminated, safety glass, glass with wire in it, windscreen glass, and so on), drywall, brick, magazines, and the people wearing them...things that are far more difficult to shoot through than Buffalo or Elephant and with vastly higher cost if you fail. 99% of that is done with bullets that are vastly inferior to the premium hunting ammo on the market from any manufacturer.

Just my take on it...