Going After Indian Bears With An American Client Braver Than A Lion

[WAB]

Dirthawker, have you ever hunted Hinchinbrook? That’s an ornery bunch of bear out there!

 

[1dirthawker]

I have not. have hunted kodiak, afognak and raspberry islands, guided alaskan peninsula around sand point for coastal (brown bears) and have hunted interior (grizzly) bears in the interior of Alaska

 

[Ridge Runner]

Red Leg
Your knowledge is most remarkable. I have done a search on internet right now about Asian Honey Bear and you are correct. This creature is exactly the species in my 1965 photograph. While l do not recommend shot of any form on dangerous animals , based on photographs of the American Grizzly species , l do not think that it would be possible to kill them with SG cartridge at all. What remarkably large and imposing creatures these are .
In regards to my client , l do not believe that one should ever trust everything that they read. My client was was an absolute gentleman . While all clients are gentlemen , this client was certainly the most convenient for me to guide.
Based on my travels in the American south , people there are very hospitable and l have never seen anyone be condescending ( My niece's boy friend is born and raised in Alabama ) . They have excellent food , with a particular dish called chicken fried steak ( which is interestingly enough , made with beef ) and cream gravy being a particular favorite of mine.
Regarding Confederacy , l share your view. we should only judge somebody by the laws of their time. Infact , l do not want to judge anybody at all as those people are long dead before l was even born . If we judge Alexander the Great by the laws of today , then he would not be a conqueror , but would be called a mass murderer. But that would not be fair to him .
A person can support or be proud of a Confederate , without being bigotted in his personality . This client , for instance , ate with us, discussed about a lot of topics with me and did not show any anger even when the superstitious coolies were too afraid to go forward , due to fear of silly spectral entities. He even tipped all of us handsomely and did not try to deviate from our safety instructions. Rather , he educated me about the Korean war and hand loading.
With regard to Rongon ( may he rest in peace ) , it was very unfortunate. However , back in those days Shikaris could get hanged if their clients were killed during their Shikar in India , based on the orders of the Nilgiri Wildlife Association , which was a little unreasonable . I do not mean to belittle the client who unfortunately lost his life , but he could have tried his .220 Swift calibre rifle on some less dangerous animal to test his theory , like a boar or a Nilgai ( even then , this calibre is far too small for them and l would only recommend it for mouse deer ) .If he did not try to prove his theory on a 400 pound Royal Bengal tiger , then neither he nor Rongon would have lost their life.

Another enjoyable read.

As I read about your experience with chicken fried steak.....made me laugh.....as the first time I ate it.....let me rephrase.....as a steak eater.....when I first saw chicken fried steak on a menu I had to ask what it was.....it was the only steak listed on the menu, other choices were: hamburgers, chicken, meatloaf (still hamburger).

So what the heck...... I'll try the chicken fried steak....now, being a northerner....a steak is usually three quarters of an inch or thicker...oh yeah, cube steak...is in my opinion neither hamburger nor steak....and should only be served with white-----peppered gravy, mashed potatoes, choice of vegetable, and sourdough roll/bread and real butter. Only in the south can this meal be truel enjoyed.....as over the years I have ordered this meal in various other states and typical restaurants and have found only remote southern locations make this a delicious meal.

The Carolinas (North and South) serve in my opinion the best pork bar-b-que...all other places I have tried are.....well.. different.

Being from Ohio. White Castles was one of 3 regular placed for us to eat on the weekends growing up: 5 cent sandwiches, either 7, 8 or 10 cent for an order of fries or onion rings and 10 cent cokes. And you either dined in your car in the parking lot or carried them home or wherever, as the restaurant had no inside dining back then.

 

[Kawshik Rahman]

Another enjoyable read.

As I read about your experience with chicken fried steak.....made me laugh.....as the first time I ate it.....let me rephrase.....as a steak eater.....when I first saw chicken fried steak on a menu I had to ask what it was.....it was the only steak listed on the menu, other choices were: hamburgers, chicken, meatloaf (still hamburger).

So what the heck...... I'll try the chicken fried steak....now, being a northerner....a steak is usually three quarters of an inch or thicker...oh yeah, cube steak...is in my opinion neither hamburger nor steak....and should only be served with white-----peppered gravy, mashed potatoes, choice of vegetable, and sourdough roll/bread and real butter. Only in the south can this meal be truel enjoyed.....as over the years I have ordered this meal in various other states and typical restaurants and have found only remote southern locations make this a delicious meal.

The Carolinas (North and South) serve in my opinion the best pork bar-b-que...all other places I have tried are.....well.. different.

Being from Ohio. White Castles was one of 3 regular placed for us to eat on the weekends growing up: 5 cent sandwiches, either 7, 8 or 10 cent for an order of fries or onion rings and 10 cent cokes. And you either dined in your car in the parking lot or carried them home or wherever, as the restaurant had no inside dining back then.

Ridge Runner
You have described the cuisine most accurately. The best steak l have ever eaten was at a Texas restaurant called Sodolaks country Inn. My favorite steak is the rib eye ( served medium rare ) or the sirloin ( served rare ) with baked potato and roasted vegetables.
Regarding White Castle , l enjoy their small cheese burgers very much and they come inside a box which looks like a house. My niece enjoys a restaurant called Shake Shack , but l like White Castle over all others. The first time l ate there , l finished seven burgers at once .
I am also fond of Popeye's fried chicken and Chick Fil - A. America has some of the best barbeques in the world in it's southern region . I am partial to smoked brisket of beef myself with corn bread and coleslaw.

 

[mark-hunter]

My favorite: One inch thick, pizza size, rare, t-bone steak!

Any decent vegan, will get sick, reading our discussions!

 

[Kawshik Rahman]

My favorite: One inch thick, pizza size, rare, t-bone steak!

Any decent vegan, will get sick, reading our discussions!

Mark Hunter
I have eaten a similar Florence dish called Bistecca Ala Florentina , which is a grilled T bone steak , served rare. Excellent food.

 

[Tokoloshe Safaris]

Mr. Rahman,

If you ever visit Zimbabwe we would be honored to have you as our guest.
I first read Jim Corbitts books while in grade school. I could not tell you how many times I have read them since then.

Just yesterday after completing a 14 leopard hunt, another PH and myself were discussing Jim Corbitts extroadinary leopard hunts.

Cheers, Lon

 

[Kawshik Rahman]

Mr. Rahman,

If you ever visit Zimbabwe we would be honored to have you as our guest.
I first read Jim Corbitts books while in grade school. I could not tell you how many times I have read them since then.

Just yesterday after completing a 14 leopard hunt, another PH and myself were discussing Jim Corbitts extroadinary leopard hunts.

Cheers, Lon

Tokoloshe safaris
You are kind in your words . I just may come to Zimbabwe some day. I have heard that your bird shooting is excellent .

 

[Ridge Runner]

Op

Ridge Runner
You have described the cuisine most accurately. The best steak l have ever eaten was at a Texas restaurant called Sodolaks country Inn. My favorite steak is the rib eye ( served medium rare ) or the sirloin ( served rare ) with baked potato and roasted vegetables.
Regarding White Castle , l enjoy their small cheese burgers very much and they come inside a box which looks like a house. My niece enjoys a restaurant called Shake Shack , but l like White Castle over all others. The first time l ate there , l finished seven burgers at once .
I am also fond of Popeye's fried chicken and Chick Fil - A. America has some of the best barbeques in the world in it's southern region . I am partial to smoked brisket of beef myself with corn bread and coleslaw.

White Castle uas expanded their origins into the south and although I do visit one of their restaurants in Nashville, TN ( about a 5 hour drive from my home), from time to time for fresh made sandwiches they just don't seem the as when I was growing up. Maybe because the most I could eat back then was 7, during an eating contest against relatives of the same age 6-8 year olds and a couple of parents.

Today the minimum is 10 usually, 12-14 to bring home for later, as there is no White Castle in my immediate area.

Also back then people could only order the single burger, with or without the onions, or pickle. Now they have a variety of ways; orginal, double, with or without cheese, hamburgers and now fish and chicken sandwiches.

Southern fried chicken, aaahhh, nothing better, fresh not pre packaged frozen stuff, and real cole slaw, not that minced stuff.

Bar-b-que pulled pork sandwiches and pork ribs are my 2 favorites.

A nice thick medium rare, bake potatoes, and cheese covered brocolli...yum yum.

But it is hard to beat a grilled venison (deer or elk), or the rare occasions bison steak (I've been able to only get across the state line in Virginia).

Popeye's and Chick-fil-A are alright but I'm a KFC fan, (Kentucky Fried Chicken, extra chrispy).

A lesson I learned the hard way....when in North Carolina,...a hamburger all the way means with musrard, chilly and slaw....not with lettuce, tomatoe, onion and mayonnaise.

Besides hunting the various types of different animals other countries offer, it's their regional cuisines I most often I enjoy.

Unfortunately, the years between WWII and 911, the military personnel were not given the respect of a greatful nation. I am glad todays veterans are receiving a much greater respect when they return home and better care for those who are returning home with emotional and physical disabilities.

Enough on these digressive subjects. Let's get back to your great reflections on shakirs in india.

 

[Daggaboy375]

I enjoy your stories for many reasons.

You are giving us a look at a time gone by that will never be as it was.

There are few that have your experiences and are willing to share.

Your perspective on events from fifty years ago are quite interesting.

Being from South Carolina, I'm glad that a southern gentlemen can be taken on his merits.

DB375

 

[Kawshik Rahman]

Op


White Castle uas expanded their origins into the south and although I do visit one of their restaurants in Nashville, TN ( about a 5 hour drive from my home), from time to time for fresh made sandwiches they just don't seem the as when I was growing up. Maybe because the most I could eat back then was 7, during an eating contest against relatives of the same age 6-8 year olds and a couple of parents.

Today the minimum is 10 usually, 12-14 to bring home for later, as there is no White Castle in my immediate area.

Also back then people could only order the single burger, with or without the onions, or pickle. Now they have a variety of ways; orginal, double, with or without cheese, hamburgers and now fish and chicken sandwiches.

Southern fried chicken, aaahhh, nothing better, fresh not pre packaged frozen stuff, and real cole slaw, not that minced stuff.

Bar-b-que pulled pork sandwiches and pork ribs are my 2 favorites.

A nice thick medium rare, bake potatoes, and cheese covered brocolli...yum yum.

But it is hard to beat a grilled venison (deer or elk), or the rare occasions bison steak (I've been able to only get across the state line in Virginia).

Popeye's and Chick-fil-A are alright but I'm a KFC fan, (Kentucky Fried Chicken, extra chrispy).

A lesson I learned the hard way....when in North Carolina,...a hamburger all the way means with musrard, chilly and slaw....not with lettuce, tomatoe, onion and mayonnaise.

Besides hunting the various types of different animals other countries offer, it's their regional cuisines I most often I enjoy.

Unfortunately, the years between WWII and 911, the military personnel were not given the respect of a greatful nation. I am glad todays veterans are receiving a much greater respect when they return home and better care for those who are returning home with emotional and physical disabilities.

Enough on these digressive subjects. Let's get back to your great reflections on shakirs in india.

Ridge Runner
Yes . Kentucky Fried Chicken is really delicious ( l prefer their original recipe myself ) , but as there are Kentucky Fried Chicken outlets in Bangladesh , l tend to try things in the United States which are not available in Bangladesh. For myself ,my ideal cheese burger will have mustard , pickles and onions.
It is disconcerting to hear that White Castle is no longer good.
Among game animals , l enjoy the meat of the mouse deer most , alongside the meat of cranes. The tenderloin of venison is excellent if pan seared to a rare doneness . Bear meat is also delicious . One of my clients actually provided me with a recipe for loin of bear in 1968 and l still use them occasionally when hunting bears.
. But yes , let us focus on Shikars .

 

[Kawshik Rahman]

I enjoy your stories for many reasons.

You are giving us a look at a time gone by that will never be as it was.

There are few that have your experiences and are willing to share.

Your perspective on events from fifty years ago are quite interesting.

Being from South Carolina, I'm glad that a southern gentlemen can be taken on his merits.

DB375

Daga Boy 375
Thank you so much for your kind support and words. I never believe media to form my opinion on a person. I treat it as hearsay. I form an opinion on a person based on how they treat me and the people around me. Media might label a gentleman with such a tattoo as being a racist , but it would be a lie. He was a gentleman. I do , however , wish l was able to see him use that Savage Under lever rifle in .243 bore. I think that it would do excellently on mouse deer.

 

[kevin masters]

Your writing's are most enjoyable! Thank you for spinning you'r tales!

 

[Kawshik Rahman]

Your writing's are most enjoyable! Thank you for spinning you'r tales!

Kevin Masters
Thank you so much for your kind words.

 

[Ridgewalker]

Another spellbinding writing! Thanks!
I think you underestimate the enjoyment we get from reading your adventures. I really think you should find maybe a ghost writer to help organize and write a book. I know we on AH would buy a number of them.

 

[Kawshik Rahman]

Another spellbinding writing! Thanks!
I think you underestimate the enjoyment we get from reading your adventures. I really think you should find maybe a ghost writer to help organize and write a book. I know we on AH would buy a number of them.

Ridge Walker
Thank you so much for your support.
There are far greater hunters alive in this world than l.

 

[mark-hunter]

I agree with @Ridgewalker!

 

[DieJager]

You are an excellent writer. Nothing against Hoss, there are a number of us keen to read his book. However, you clearly have enough adventure to fill a book of your own. Please consider it.

+100. Reading all of your adventures @Kawshik Rahman . Thank you sir for sharing.

 

[CBH Australia]

Great story, I wonder do the Indian bear head differ greatly from the American bear? If Kawshik believes you don’t head shoot them and it wasn’t common practice in India are they that different?
A .300wm may have played part in the clients success.

 

[Major Khan]

Great story, I wonder do the Indian bear head differ greatly from the American bear? If Kawshik believes you don’t head shoot them and it wasn’t common practice in India are they that different?
A .300wm may have played part in the clients success.

I am certain that Kawshik will reply when he is free. However , l feel that l may offer some insight.
Our Indian bear is better known to the international hunting community as Asian Sloth Bear , CBH Australia. It is certainly possible to shoot an Asian Sloth Bear in the head and kill it , as Kawshik's client did here. However , the shape of a bear's head is rather odd. It makes it very difficult ( albeit not impossible , of course ) for a bullet to find the brain as the size of the brain is small . This client of Kawshik's was an exceptionally skilled marks man . Normally , when guiding clients for bear shikar in India , we would advise our clients to opt for heart shots or double lung shots , as they presented larger and safer targets . An improper shot at the bear's head may blow it's jaw off , but leave it alive long enough to remain a threat to the shikaree or even escape wounded . If it escapes with a broken jaw , then it will die of starvation in the wild .

However , a skilled client like this 1 could find the brain of a bear with a little practice .
I have dispatched a half dozen bears with the head shot and 12 calibre spherical ball cartridges , as well. Perhaps it may interest you gentlemen , if l write an article or 2 about hunting Asian Sloth Bears ?
Regarding the .300 Winchester magnum cartridge , you are 100 % correct. It was extremely accurate and had the necessary punch to find the brain of the bear.