henandhunt
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Based on that chart, 100 yards is too far for a TSX bullet to expand properly. Perhaps the fast spin does make a difference and allows expansion at less than 1800 fps? It would be interesting to find out.... on an allready dead animal.
However on a giraffe, expansion is not the number one concern, penetration is. Giraffe hide is VERY tough and I will argue much tougher than Cape Buffalo hide. But it's not only the hide. The entire animal is like it's hardened. They have evolved to resist the sharpest and toughest thorns in Africa.... the liver is hard!
I shot mine with a 505 Gibbs and a 525 grain TSX leaving the barrel at 2350 fps. That is well over 6000 ft pounds of energy. That bullet did not exit on a broadside high heart/lung shot.
The bullet was expanded perfectly but looked like it had been worked over by a disk grinder.
Contrast that to a quartering away shot on a cape buffalo and the bullet traveled at least twice as far traversing most of the length of the buffalo and being suck against the inside of the skin in the offside front shoulder. And that bullet was in perfect shape. Giraffe are tough and hard!
You certainly do not need a 505 Gibbs.... but a 9.3x62 would be the minimum I'd use on a body shot.
You will probably be good with a high neck shot at 80 yards or less. It would be interesting to down that giraffe, prop it up. Get your pictures. Then stand back and shoot it in the shoulder at various distance. I'm betting that at 80 yards you will not get past one lung.... an African animal will run a long ways on one lung. Hope you get the opportunity to prove me wrong.
thanks for the reply. that one image I quickly selected to show just beyond the 1000fpe originally mentioned.
all things said, ultimately my PH will have to be comfortable with it.
I've spoken to a PH in SA who has seen 8.6 a lot in action and he said the "penetration with this caliber is incredible" due to the 1:3 fast twist - 3-4x faster than other calibers. The rotational velocity is added in the factor which yes the testing on game animals isn't at scale today.
what I'm not going to do is go buy a 375 for my first hunting rifle and to shoot at the range, so if they are not okay with it, then maybe I will just have to borrow - more to be discussed with them.
I agree with you regarding the last statement on a test factor would be interesting to see. Time will tell 2025!