Ethics and Legality?

[ActionBob]

So what are the reasons for how SA hunts lions?

As you consider this answer let me point out that had ranchers in Texas not seen a value in whitetail deer they wouldn't have managed their habitat to support the deer. It was those early management practices that has brought back deer to not only Texas but to much of the U.S. Remember we hunt over bait in Texas. Things to ponder.

And I can remember in Minnesota where it was a special treat to see a deer while not hunting, now I normally see several a day. Heck on Monday there was one in our dog fence 15' from the house. (gate was open, the dog was in the house). My wife sprays some kind of ju ju on her flowers to keep deer from eating them. And in Minnesota and Wisconsin alike, the traffic accidents deer are responsible for are real problem, there are that many. I believe we have more whitetail deer in North America today than when the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock. I even saw a wolf pup the other day, they were almost extinct in this area and are now becoming a problem (in some areas are wiping out the deer). Bald Eagles are a normal sighting, my brother counted 200 in a field the other day! Hell it turns out they are really nothing more than a buzzard with a better reputation. And turkeys, I see flocks of 50 or more regularly and they were non existent in Central and Northern MN just a couple decades ago.

And I read that in South Africa, there are more total wildlife than when the first white settlers arrived there.

Hunting is solely responsible for the deer population in North America... And for the wild animal populations in Southern Africa.

 

[Jfet]

And I can remember in Minnesota where it was a special treat to see a deer while not hunting, now I normally see several a day. Heck on Monday there was one in our dog fence 15' from the house. (gate was open, the dog was in the house). My wife sprays some kind of ju ju on her flowers to keep deer from eating them. And in Minnesota and Wisconsin alike, the traffic accidents deer are responsible for are real problem, there are that many. I believe we have more whitetail deer in North America today than when the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock. I even saw a wolf pup the other day, they were almost extinct in this area and are now becoming a problem (in some areas are wiping out the deer). Bald Eagles are a normal sighting, my brother counted 200 in a field the other day! Hell it turns out they are really nothing more than a buzzard with a better reputation. And turkeys, I see flocks of 50 or more regularly and they were non existent in Central and Northern MN just a couple decades ago.

And I read that in South Africa, there are more total wildlife than when the first white settlers arrived there.

Hunting is solely responsible for the deer population in North America... And for the wild animal populations in Southern Africa.

At my Dads house in the Texas Hill Country, he would shake a coffee can with corn and 10 deer would walk into the yard.

I am sure that in SA when someone walks into their backyard they wouldn't want to have a pride of lions show up to see what's on the grill. In that sense management of lion population has to be different. What management techniques will allow lions and humans to live together in SA?

 

[ActionBob]

At my Dads house in the Texas Hill Country, he would shake a coffee can with corn and 10 deer would walk into the yard.

I am sure that in SA when someone walks into their backyard they wouldn't want to have a pride of lions show up to see what's on the grill. In that sense management of lion population has to be different. What management techniques will allow lions and humans to live together in SA?

The current one.

 

[johnnyblues]

Look at how much food WE waste.....

True

 

[Jfet]

The current one.

Ok, onto the next issue

 

[TokkieM]

One more for your opinions

 

[siml]

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[BRICKBURN]

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[TokkieM]

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[Royal27]

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This is where I draw the line! I won't shoot a cow at a feed trough, IF it has a double ear tag....

 

[BRICKBURN]

Double ear tags are the tasty ones. That's how they mark them.

 

[TokkieM]

Come now Royal I am sure a good taxidermy can patch those holes

 

[Chinook]

I'm new to the forum. I don't usually participate in sites like this but I've heard good things about this one.

I have a question that is not about Africa hunting, but about ethics nonetheless. Here's my question. This year I drew a Colorado cow moose license. Technically it isn't a cow tag, it's an antlerless license. That means I can shoot a cow or a calf.

I spoke with a biologist and he told me that it is legal and ethical to shoot a cow accompanied by a calf. The cow will be able to survive on its own.

However, at a seminar put on by the state for moose hunters, a couple of the game wardens made it clear that they felt that it was unethical to shoot a wet cow. They went on to try to convince us that anyone who would shoot a cow with a calf should be horsewhipped or at least hang their head in shame. (My words not theirs.)

I don't really want to shoot a cow with a calf, and I don't want to shoot the 400 - 500 lb calf. However, I'd still like to hear your opinion about this.

 

[Jfet]

I'm new to the forum. I don't usually participate in sites like this but I've heard good things about this one.

I have a question that is not about Africa hunting, but about ethics nonetheless. Here's my question. This year I drew a Colorado cow moose license. Technically it isn't a cow tag, it's an antlerless license. That means I can shoot a cow or a calf.

I spoke with a biologist and he told me that it is legal and ethical to shoot a cow accompanied by a calf. The cow will be able to survive on its own.

However, at a seminar put on by the state for moose hunters, a couple of the game wardens made it clear that they felt that it was unethical to shoot a wet cow. They went on to try to convince us that anyone who would shoot a cow with a calf should be horsewhipped or at least hang their head in shame. (My words not theirs.)

I don't really want to shoot a cow with a calf, and I don't want to shoot the 400 - 500 lb calf. However, I'd still like to hear your opinion about this.

What is legal may not be ethical. The biologist sounds like he is for it but the guys enforcing the law are not. They may not be able to write you a citation for shooting a wet cow but they can sure make your experience a negative one. I think I would not shoot a wet cow in Colorado.

 

[Jfet]

and Welcome Chinook

 

[Bhfs300]

Chinook

I looked at the web and this is an article from Alaska it might shed some info you might be interested in.

http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wildlifenews.view_article&articles_id=52

I didn't see a comment about the wet cow but what they said about the calfs was very interesting.

Tom

 

[dobber]

If i had the chance at a cow with a calf i would shoot the calf, a lone cow is an easy choice, but i wouldn't look down on anyone who hunted legally and took what they had a tag for

 

[Saul]

I guess if they are giving tags for it, then there muust be a management reason for doing so. With that said, I would never shoot a calf or a cow with a calf because it goes against my personal ethics. JMO.

 

[Hank2211]

It's legal to hunt a cow with a calf over a year old, and it's legal to hunt a bear with cubs over a year old, where I live. I wouldn't dispute the ethics of those who choose to do this, but as for me, I won't. I was brought up that you don't shoot females - t0ok me a while to get over it in terms of Africa, and still don't feel entirely right doing it. But if I see calves, cubs, etc., I won't.

But as I said, to each their own, as long as it's legal where you are.