Forrest Halley
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@Bob Nelson 35Whelen don't you say a darned thing about my squirrel hunting!Has anyone ever been in a situation where you could actually get four shots off at an animal? By shot 4 it’s either going to be out of sight or on top of you.
"Shoot till it's down or out of sight" is an elk hunting motto, probably the same in most DG situations.Has anyone ever been in a situation where you could actually get four shots off at an animal? By shot 4 it’s either going to be out of sight or on top of you.
My first buffalo I fired 3 from same position. I’ve fired 4 at an eland. First shot was low and at 350 yards. I got the rest fired before he went over hill then finished him on other side. 3/4 connected.Has anyone ever been in a situation where you could actually get four shots off at an animal? By shot 4 it’s either going to be out of sight or on top of you.
I don’t think the shooter with the bolt really cared if he won or lost. However, I disagree with you on running a bolt gun from your shoulder. The biggest advantage to taking it off your shoulder is you’ll never short cycle or weak cycle the bolt. I learned a long time ago I could shoot better at clays with a shotgun if the gun wasn’t already on my shoulder and I pull it up for the shot. I do the same with my rifles for follow up shots. I’ve had numerous PHs comment on my fast follow up shots. It depends on the person. I have no interest in learning to shoot with rifle staying on my shoulder to reload but think I’m considerably faster than most.He couldn't run the gun off his shoulder? This is not difficult and is the best way to shoot a bolt gun fast. All this dismount business does is increase the motion and time between shots. The bolt shooter didn't lean into the rifle at all and had a a time reacquiring his sights.
The double shooting is smooth. He only broke his cheek weld once to reload saving a lot of time. The reload went well and was very clean.
Not my video. I but remember it from a similar discussion on 4 shots a few years ago. Fast forward to 2 minutes.Has anyone ever been in a situation where you could actually get four shots off at an animal? By shot 4 it’s either going to be out of sight or on top of you.
@Forrest Halley@Bob Nelson 35Whelen don't you say a darned thing about my squirrel hunting!
I believe if you get a hit the possibility for four shots is easily done. Another possibility would be an animal crossing an open field.
I left the improved cylinder choke tube in my 20 gauge one deer season and I got off six shots at a deer with a three shot plug in a pump. I opened up at 60 yards and finished point blank. I also got off five shots in a close engagement of about 3-10 yards with a 12 gauge shotgun set up for long distance super full choke. I hit the first, fourth and fifth shots. Quarter sized patterns with a vent rib. I can shoot a shotgun pretty quickly. I think someone with a lever gun could easily get off four shots. Bolt actions are going to be more difficult.
4 shots in 7 seconds with a Blaser R8. Not sure of the caliber but it has to be at least a 9.3 or 375 for hunting buffalo.Not my video. I but remember it from a similar discussion on 4 shots a few years ago. Fast forward to 2 minutes.
Open terrain and world class shooting!!! When I’m hunting it’s its lot thicker and the shooter isn’t nearly as skilled. Lol.Not my video. I but remember it from a similar discussion on 4 shots a few years ago. Fast forward to 2 minutes.
I got 4 shots off on my 1st Cape Buffalo with @Safari Co. Africa using a Pre64 M70. All 4 hits and knocking him down well within 100yds of the initial shot. Had 1 left and reloaded as we were walking the 40yds up to himHas anyone ever been in a situation where you could actually get four shots off at an animal? By shot 4 it’s either going to be out of sight or on top of you.
I wouldn't presume to know your capabilities. I understand that there are a lot of learned people that advocate for the dismounting of the rifle between shots. I just wasn't taught that way and it is slower. I've never had a short stroke issue. I have had trouble finding my ejected brass. It cannot possibly be faster than leaving the gun on the shoulder. You're adding in a motion that is not directly related to the ejection and reloading of the rifle. The gentleman in your video doesn't dismount the rifle and he's nearly flawless. If he had only skipped looking over the scope he would have been even faster.I don’t think the shooter with the bolt really cared if he won or lost. However, I disagree with you on running a bolt gun from your shoulder. The biggest advantage to taking it off your shoulder is you’ll never short cycle or weak cycle the bolt. I learned a long time ago I could shoot better at clays with a shotgun if the gun wasn’t already on my shoulder and I pull it up for the shot. I do the same with my rifles for follow up shots. I’ve had numerous PHs comment on my fast follow up shots. It depends on the person. I have no interest in learning to shoot with rifle staying on my shoulder to reload but think I’m considerably faster than most.
I didn't miss the deer coming at me. I just didn't put a lot of pellets on it. Open choke over distance does not work very well.@Forrest Halley
At least your deer hunting is better than your squirrel hunting. You only needed 6 shots on 1 deer that was coming at you. Shooting quickly doesn't make up for shooting accurately.
Your shooting is getting better mate.,only six shots. Compared to 9 shots at 1 squirrel. That's a 3 shot improvement. We won't mention that a deer is a lot BIGGER than a SQUIRREL tho.
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Double guy doesn't have a chance against that shooter. That's a straight pull rifle in the hands of an expert. The only improvement I can see is for that shooter to stay on the sights between shots. The gun stays on the shoulder and there isn't any hesitation between the shots and cycling the action. @BeeMaa is probably giddy.Open terrain and world class shooting!!! When I’m hunting it’s its lot thicker and the shooter isn’t nearly as skilled. Lol.
I still would think that 4 shots without time to reload would be an exception in the world of DG hunting.
I’m not sure that double guy from the first video would beat the shooter in this video.
Well then:They should rerun this with a lee-enfield speed shooter who knows what he's doing.
I think in order to qualify for the mad minute, they have to be able to hit the target with each shot. Otherwise its just blind shooting as fast as possible.Well then:
Fast SMLE shooter with a bobble...
Very good rapid manipulation of the SMLE Left handed so he had a good reason to dismount the rifle.
SMLE shooter...decent job of the rapid fire
This guy is very good and looks like he's a fair balance of speed and accuracy. He even changes magazines. I think the Ishapore would rule this game.
I think an R8 run like this is the fastest bolt action possible.
This is true, but we're not gunfighting we are exploring the speed of particular rifle designs under certain parameters which are not firmly enough defined.Showing the targets would be helpful.
No one can miss fast enough to win a gunfight.
The mad minute was also shot at 300 yards which is irrelevant to our purposes here due to the distance being unfavorable to the double rifle. Put a mark at twenty five yards that is 12 inches in diameter. Let the rifles go at it in a race to four shots. Next put a target at fifty yards with the same 12" mark and have them go again. Whichever rifle wins the most bouts is your champion.I think in order to qualify for the mad minute, they have to be able to hit the target with each shot. Otherwise its just blind shooting as fast as possible.