Cull or an affordable hunt

[Brian]

Fibt,

I see what you mean, You're just saying that from your point of view it is not really hunting.
My favourite hunting for the last decade, I'm 80 now, has been cape buffalo at 50 yards. I love the stalking and sneaking!

If you usually shoot an animal at 200-250 yards, should I judge you? No, That would be silly.
What right would I have to call balls and strikes on a hunter based on the distance he plans to take his shot at.
A year ago a guy on this forum busted me because I hunted some buffalos out of a hide. ( I had my reasons at the time.)
I sometimes wonder if there are unhappy people on these forums that just look for things to find fault with. Is that the attitude of a true outdoorsman. Wouldn't you say that a true man of nature learns to accept thinks, even if they don't necessarily appeal to him personally ?

So, I like short range shots. Iceman69 is into the long range hunting. All my adult life I have know hunters for whom their specialty was the long range shot, especially big horn sheep hunters on the eastern slopes of the Canadian rockies. I really admire that type of hunting too.
I used to judge a hunter just because he did it differently than me, but not anymore.

 

[Flbt]

Fibt,

I see what you mean, You're just saying that from your point of view it is not really hunting.
My favourite hunting for the last decade, I'm 80 now, has been cape buffalo at 50 yards. I love the stalking and sneaking!

If you usually shoot an animal at 200-250 yards, should I judge you? No, That would be silly.
What right would I have to call balls and strikes on a hunter based on the distance he plans to take his shot at.
A year ago a guy on this forum busted me because I hunted some buffalos out of a hide. ( I had my reasons at the time.)
I sometimes wonder if there are unhappy people on these forums that just look for things to find fault with. Is that the attitude of a true outdoorsman. Wouldn't you say that a true man of nature learns to accept thinks, even if they don't necessarily appeal to him personally ?

So, I like short range shots. Iceman69 is into the long range hunting. All my adult life I have know hunters for whom their specialty was the long range shot, especially big horn sheep hunters on the eastern slopes of the Canadian rockies. I really admire that type of hunting too.
I used to judge a hunter just because he did it differently than me, but not anymore.

Besides the animals moving.
There been post here about the long range shooting more people, less tags more wounded animals.
There many reasons. Some hunters want government involvement.

I just said my opinions on the long range live target shooting.
The most it might do is make him think
I have no wish to try and get the government involved.
The only way I could ever effect what he is or wants to do would be the slim to no chance he would end up on one of the farms I have something to do with. And then I would / could have an effect. Saying you plan to make a 700 yd shot would end your hunt.

Now here’s a question. Since bows and cross bows have gotten much faster are you good with 150yd long range bow hunting?

 

[Hogpatrol]

 

[CBH Australia]

@iceman69
I completed a management hunt in South Africa in 2020.

Talk directly with outfitters and you will be offered quotes with various options

 

[Hogpatrol]

Is it too late to start talking about Bergers for long range?

 

[Flbt]

Fibt,

I see what you mean, You're just saying that from your point of view it is not really hunting.
My favourite hunting for the last decade, I'm 80 now, has been cape buffalo at 50 yards. I love the stalking and sneaking!

If you usually shoot an animal at 200-250 yards, should I judge you? No, That would be silly.
What right would I have to call balls and strikes on a hunter based on the distance he plans to take his shot at.
A year ago a guy on this forum busted me because I hunted some buffalos out of a hide. ( I had my reasons at the time.)
I sometimes wonder if there are unhappy people on these forums that just look for things to find fault with. Is that the attitude of a true outdoorsman. Wouldn't you say that a true man of nature learns to accept thinks, even if they don't necessarily appeal to him personally ?

So, I like short range shots. Iceman69 is into the long range hunting. All my adult life I have know hunters for whom their specialty was the long range shot, especially big horn sheep hunters on the eastern slopes of the Canadian rockies. I really admire that type of hunting too.
I used to judge a hunter just because he did it differently than me, but not anymore.

I can take my 6in 357 mag and hit my 12 in plate at 150yd from the bench.
Most of the shoot houses here are a bench.
Would I think of shooting a deer at 150yds no
Why there a good amount of time between the bang and tink of the hit. That the animal can move during.

To much of a chance for me.
Same with using a 350L past 200yd
Can you yes to me should you no.

I would rather hear other hunters opinions than to have some one try and change the laws and equipment rules.

It’s my opinion that it’s not hunting.
Do I really expect to have a impact on his hunting no.
Maybe he will think about how much that animal could move.

But I will not try to change laws to effect him either.

 

[Hogpatrol]

 

[iceman69]

Don't jump to judgement about Iceman69 and his long range hunting/shooting.
I think he knows what he is doing. Iceland has some wide open country. If he says he can do it, I believe him.

Those long range marksmen with their purpose built rigs and premium bullets can hit small targets at half a click all day long.

I would not be surprised if iceman has a better one shot kill ratio on medium game at 500 meters than most cape buffalo hunters have at 50 meters.

Judging other hunters hunting style and capability on hunting forum is seldom a good thing.

I have talked to a number of seasoned dangerous game PH,s about how common it is for them to guide poor shots on cape buffalo hunts. Several Africa PH's have told me clearly that "half of the North American cape buffalo hunting clients cannot hit the shoulder of cape buffalo standing broadside. at 50 yards."
I just watched another top quality, high definition video of the North American hunters each wounding their cape buffalo at close range and losing it. Yes, 50 yard shot and hitting the buffalo in the guts with a 375HH rifles is weird but not uncommon. ( The Heart lung kill zone of a cape buffalo is about the size of a volley ball ! )

iceman69, Hair on 'ya! Happy hunting. Brian

Cheers thanks for your kind words my good sir i have seen hunters that cant hit the kill zone of a zebra at 24meters my best shot ever was a goose swimming on a lake at 286m distance shot her in the head ( aimed neck but was 1" to high) but my friend wanted to barf when his lab brought the goose to him hehehe he had just shot a raven perched on a fencepost at 307m and i wanted to barf as he had 12m/sec wind 90° and used his jeeps side mirror as a rest!! I used a Sako lam ss in 260rem and a 143 eldx he a 6.5needmore with same head but now i will be using my Bergara in 7prc as it hits a bit harder at lr than the Sako

 

[Brian]

Cheers thanks for your kind words my good sir i have seen hunters that cant hit the kill zone of a zebra at 24meters my best shot ever was a goose swimming on a lake at 286m distance shot her in the head ( aimed neck but was 1" to high) but my friend wanted to barf when his lab brought the goose to him hehehe he had just shot a raven perched on a fencepost at 307m and i wanted to barf as he had 12m/sec wind 90° and used his jeeps side mirror as a rest!! I used a Sako lam ss in 260rem and a 143 eldx he a 6.5needmore with same head but now i will be using my Bergara in 7prc as it hits a bit harder at lr than the Sako

What bullet would you use for your 7PRC for good kills on Plains Game? Thanks, Brian

 

[Muskox]

So is a hotdog a sandwich then?

For a 7mm PRC I'd use a ELD X.

Right bullet at that velocity.

 

[Brian]

Agreed, The terminal velocity at long range is an important consideration for that terminal performance of the bullet.
Thanks for the reply, brian

 

[Philip Glass]

It is a bad time of year (hot) and you are not in a location that is close to the game farms of RSA to do the type of hunt you want. There are many replies here that if you want to fly down to RSA you can make it work.

 

[iceman69]

Geese to 600m and reindeer to 700+
How long does it take your bullet to get there?
How long does it take for the animals to move?
What happens at 700+ when they take 2 steps ? Where does that bullet go now?
Gut? Lower jaw?
Ham?

Can you find a blood trail every time from 700m away?

The best shot in the world can make mistakes now add in time to target and movement.

Flight time of a 185 or a 195gr head out to 700m is just about 1.15 second max! They are doing about 3000fps so a standing animal might move 5-7 inches max if its still! If i aim a hair forward and shoot i hit the boilerroom every time! If im not 100% sure i will make a clean kill i dont pull the trigger! You might not see it but thousunds of pray are shot at 600m + every year and most drop on the spot! LR hunters know not to take chances, so we stay on target longer than those dooing 300m and under! MORE animals are fail shot at under 300m than 500m +!! And thats a proven statistic by guieds and ph'es world wide!!

 

[Brian]

Flight time of a 185 or a 195gr head out to 700m is just about 1.15 second max! They are doing about 3000fps so a standing animal might move 5-7 inches max if its still! If i aim a hair forward and shoot i hit the boilerroom every time! If im not 100% sure i will make a clean kill i dont pull the trigger! You might not see it but thousunds of pray are shot at 600m + every year and most drop on the spot! LR hunters know not to take chances, so we stay on target longer than those dooing 300m and under! MORE animals are fail shot at under 300m than 500m +!! And thats a proven statistic by guieds and ph'es world wide!!

Good post iceman 69,

Also Fibt, The bullet hits the animal before the sound does ( Speed of sound is 343 m/s ) and the sound at 500 - 700 meters is not very disturbing to the animal so it commonly just stands there for a moment when it is hit or takes a few step and then lays down. Usually there is no tracking or very little to do.

Further, one does not find the blood trail from 700 meter away, as you ask. You mark the spot where the animal goes down or out of sight and walk up to that spot to find the blood if you need to.

Fibt, Like I say long range hunting shots are far above my ability but those guys who know how, make those shots all day long and it is awesome to see them do it.

You can google the You Tube stuff on the long range competitions.

Also, I notice that Cutting Edge Bullets, my favourite bullets, makes long range bullet that are popular in the USA with the long range crowd for their excellent external and terminal ballistics out to 700 yards.
Cheers, Brian

 

[Flbt]

Good post iceman 69,

Also Fibt, The bullet hits the animal before the sound does ( Speed of sound is 343 m/s ) and the sound at 500 - 700 meters is not very disturbing to the animal so it commonly just stands there for a moment when it is hit or takes a few step and then lays down. Usually there is no tracking or very little to do.

Further, one does not find the blood trail from 700 meter away, as you ask. You mark the spot where the animal goes down or out of sight and walk up to that spot to find the blood if you need to.

Fibt, Like I say long range hunting shots are far above my ability but those guys who know how, make those shots all day long and it is awesome to see them do it.

You can google the You Tube stuff on the long range competitions.

Also, I notice that Cutting Edge Bullets, my favourite bullets, makes long range bullet that are popular in the USA with the long range crowd for their excellent external and terminal ballistics out to 700 yards.
Cheers, Brian

Yes I know they can’t hear it. But at 700 they might move for something else. 1.5 seconds is a lot of time for something to move.
Hell even the myth busters tv show proved some one could possibly move before a bullet got there long range. Yes they had all kinds of stuff to see the shot to move. But animals just move.

Ie jumping the string on a bow at very close range.

Yea long range target shooting is interesting the shows I have seen about it the targets don’t move. And the kings of 2 mile actually missed more than I thought they would 48x60 target.

Now YouTube the intresting one is the guy that puts animals out at range where he ask the long range live target shooters how far they can make a good hit. With there rifle in the hunting field.
More fail that hit. A lot more