Canada's boy king Bans Firearms - List of 1500

[dan donnelly]

I'm sorry, but from the content of posts here and elsewhere, I don't expect Canada or any commonwealth country to do much except complain, but then put up with the socialist left. Maybe you would be up for a real or threatened tax boycott to shrink their power. I have grown weary in the past of arguing with Nova Scotians who were soft of gun control, and now you want to complain that it went too far? Someone has got to put the fear of God in the left...maybe we yanks still have it in our dna. We'll see, especially with our new snowflake millinials.

Come November you will see.

 

[ve7poi]

I’m going to be working to get rid of every last liberal elected in Canada
They have never been a friend to tax payers

 

[WAB]

My father-in-law’s explanation for Trudeau’s election is very simple: ‘the masses are asses’!

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

im personally hoping Peter McKay takes the conservitive leadership, I feel he's our best hope to oust Trudeau.

 

[dan donnelly]

My father-in-law’s explanation for Trudeau’s election is very simple: ‘the masses are asses’!

You have that right, it is very plain to see, more so now than ever

 

[Graham Hunter]

im personally hoping Peter McKay takes the conservitive leadership, I feel he's our best hope to oust Trudeau.

He's not very gun friendly either. I think Erin Otooole is better.

 

[Tam Dl]

The AR 15 massacre aside. This restriction introduces a new category, which is an energy limitation designed to eliminate the 50 BMG level of cartridge. It will affect cartridges in the 460 weatherby and up range, such as the 500 Jefferey, or the 500 A-square I was working on.

This might be a mistake as while I don't understand the order in council process, I do understand the regulatory process, and you can't bypass parliament. You have to stay within existing rules. There is no president for this except in air rifles, as far as I know. Be interesting to see if it causes a hiccup.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

The AR 15 massacre aside. This restriction introduces a new category, which is an energy limitation designed to eliminate the 50 BMG level of cartridge. It will affect cartridges in the 460 weatherby and up range, such as the 500 Jefferey, or the 500 A-square I was working on.

This might be a mistake as while I don't understand the order in council process, I do understand the regulatory process, and you can't bypass parliament. You have to stay within existing rules. There is no president for this except in air rifles, as far as I know. Be interesting to see if it causes a hiccup.

He bypassed normal channels by using the limited executive power granted to him due to covid 19. Which was only ever intended to be used in relief efforts directly dealing with the pandemic.

 

[Tam Dl]

I don't think it is useful to point fingers at this point, or would have actually made any difference. But the people who revere the AR 15 and similar defense, or steel shooting guns have a long history of hurling insults at Fudds, who are hunters or other shooters who have practical uses (given the constraints of canadian law) for their firearms. At the end, it turns out the actual number of ARs was relatively small, and there will probably not be a lot of other shooters coming to the party for the AR guys who have been acting superior all these years. The whole community could not move the needle anyway. But it might not have hurt.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

It shouldn't effect the 500 Jeff, to my understanding the ban was on anti material weapons capable of over 10,000 jueles the 500jeff only produces 7512.39 jueles.

The only shoulder fired ones I know of in that range are 50 bmgs and some of the Russian and finish anti tank rifles.

That being said that is only my understanding and I will easily stand corrected if I'm wrong.

 

[Tam Dl]

For the last years the AR etc... business has been the big growth segment in the Canadian industry. This was the outgrowth of the last big gun control move that was the long gun registry. It had the effect of putting all shooters in a position to consider the Restricted category, as they moved forward. These being pistols, ARs, and other deeply dangerous killing machines. So the result of the most aggressive gun change in years was to proliferate the exact type of guns the grabbers were most anxious to get. This happens with every gun control that comes in, there is some really stupid unintended consequence from the perspective of the grabbers.

At the moment, this latest thing, the main thing is how expensive it is. However, with Covid 19 destroying us, it is not clear whether people will even blink at such small numbers as a billion dollars.

 

[Tam Dl]

A few years ago I wanted to get an idea of how many murders occur in Canada, VS the level of out gun freedoms. I found a credible study on the latter, that looked at gun rules the world over. Of the countries that are free and prosperous. Canada had the 5th laxest gun laws, but I knew that the three between Canada and the US, were not the kind of places where you could whip out 400 dollars in a hardware store, and walk out with an assault rifle, and 2000 rounds of ammo, without leaving any record of any kind. So really, to me we were #2.

As far as murders, there are hundreds of countries, and they tend to fall in clusters. At the time we were something like 150th, but other than Japan, and a few places that were like pacific islands that were basically extended families, we were in a clump where the statistical distinctions were meaningless. Like we would be 1.57/100K and others would be like 1.61 (I forget what the actual numbers were/100K). But the next year it could easily flip.

So basically we had the 2nd most liberal laws in the non-failed-state world, and the lowest level of murders. That is the kind of thing where rocking the boat is just stupid, you can make maters worse, like pump up motivated smuggling, or whatever.

The government is also playing into the idea that nobody in Canada should trust the good intentions of their neighbours, trust only the government. They are not going to stop that narrative because the great father wants all question to go through him.

 

[Tam Dl]

It shouldn't effect the 500 Jeff, to my understanding the ban was on anti material weapons capable of over 10,000 jueles the 500jeff only produces 7512.39 jueles.

The only shoulder fired ones I know of in that range are 50 bmgs and some of the Russian and finish anti tank rifles.

That being said that is only my understanding and I will easily stand corrected if I'm wrong.

I would be happy if that was true, I did look up the joules on the 460, A-square and the Jeff, and the 460 is listed on Wiki, for what that is worth, at 11 000 joules, The Jeff with 3 loads above 10K, and the A-Square with two loads over 11K. The 458 Lott is at 8000 joules at the highest level, that should be OK.

One thing they play with in the air rifles is they may play with finding a pellet that makes their point whether it is what anyone would choose or not. Just as they will try some completely unrealistic pitcher's windup to prove your lockback is a flick knife. I do not know if the ammo is confiscatable, but if they had to provide their own ammo, they might have a problem for some of the calibers/expense. I personally would want to be well below the 10K limit just so I won't have to worry.

I did not hear about an anti-material factor, but if the cop killer/armour piercing category is anything to go by it may elastic.

I don't think they want the "elephant guns", but if they thought about it they might.

 

[davetexas]

http://www.shooterscalculator.com/bullet-kinetic-energy.php

Indicates a 500 grain at 2600 FPS is 10894 joules which is max load for 460 Weatherby

It shouldn't effect the 500 Jeff, to my understanding the ban was on anti material weapons capable of over 10,000 jueles the 500jeff only produces 7512.39 jueles.

The only shoulder fired ones I know of in that range are 50 bmgs and some of the Russian and finish anti tank rifles.

That being said that is only my understanding and I will easily stand corrected if I'm wrong.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

http://www.shooterscalculator.com/bullet-kinetic-energy.php

Indicates a 500 grain at 2600 FPS is 10894 joules which is max load for 460 Weatherby

I would think they would stay with factory ammunition for testing but it's purely speculation.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

that would explain why the natives were granted a difference, 460 weatherby is the smallest caliber approved for humanely dispatching whales.

 

[Tam Dl]

What many people won't understand is that Trudeau was elected with 36% of the popular vote. That's right folks. 64% of Canadians wanted anyone but him, and he's who we have. And has the gall to say he has a "strong mandate." This is what passes for democracy in Canada.

This is an extremely important point. And that 34% is what he got out of the vote, it is more like 1/4 when you factor in the actual population. While some of that might have mirrored the vote, usually it is people who are so disaffected, they don't see a vote helping them no mater whom they vote for. So regarding his vote total as possibly being in the 25% range is not unreasonable.

I am 60 years of age and there has only been one election in my lifetime where the government got more than 50% percent of the vote. I think it was Dief. The current election produced a minority government. But the shocking point is that numbers in that range can get you a majority. It is an upside down world where the minority governs with an iron fist.

To make maters worse, this is Trudeau's second election. Part of his original campaign was a promise to revise the electoral system, that he immediately broke. Frankly proportional rep might be worse. But what would be better would be minority governments-in-reality should show some humility.

Canada has it's government press, actually most of it is as Trudeau threw a ton of cash at them. The CBC, the government broadcaster, when Trump was originally elected (not my fight), made a big deal of the fact that Trump did not win the popular vote, oblivious to the fact that virtually no federal leader in Canada ever does.

 

[Tam Dl]

that would explain why the natives were granted a difference, 460 weatherby is the smallest caliber approved for humanely dispatching whales.

Now that is a fact I did not have in hand. Well played.

I don't think they are after the DGR rifles at this point. But the bad thing about this move is that (as far as I know, air rifles aside), this is a new metric for them to police. You only need a new guy to go through WIKI with a cartridge catalogue, and try to make his name. And you could see this dropping into other areas. like a cap on the Joules for any semi, or for pistols. Handgun hunting isn't legal, and powerful handguns have been rejected in some provinces for bear defense. Who knows.

There are guys with doubles and bolt guns on their websites that are outside this mark right now. Would I spend 20 grand on a rifle that was 500 joules onside? If I was in that category.

I have the 500 AS project, but I was also thinking of the Jeff on a Blaser. I'm not buying that now. I guess I will roll my barrels into something like a 50 alaskan.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Now that is a fact I did not have in hand. Well played.

I don't think they are after the DGR rifles at this point. But the bad thing about this move is that (as far as I know, air rifles aside), this is a new metric for them to police. You only need a new guy to go through WIKI with a cartridge catalogue, and try to make his name. And you could see this dropping into other areas. like a cap on the Joules for any semi, or for pistols. Handgun hunting isn't legal, and powerful handguns have been rejected in some provinces for bear defense. Who knows.

There are guys with doubles and bolt guns on their websites that are outside this mark right now. Would I spend 20 grand on a rifle that was 500 joules onside? If I was in that category.

I have the 500 AS project, but I was also thinking of the Jeff on a Blaser. I'm not buying that now. I guess I will roll my barrels into something like a 50 alaskan.

Depend on the action somthing like a 50-110 sharps could also be a candidate, on paper they have animic performance from the era of black powder but much like the 45-70 can be brought well into the future. 50-90 would also be a contender if the shorter length was needed.

 

[V.Veritas]

Trudeau and Blair BAN 12 Gauge and 10 Gauge SHOTGUNS!

The Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association demand the immediate withdrawal of the Liberal's flawed Order in Council.

May 5, 2020

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Minister Bill Blair looked Canadian gun owners in the eye last Friday and said they would not take guns suitable for hunting away from us.

Mr. Blair is either too inept to comprehend the scope of his new regulations...or he lied to the Government and Canadians.

In the legal opinion of our firearms team - headed by Edward Burlew L.L.B., one of the foremost experts in Canadian firearms law - Bill Blair banned almost every modern 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotgun in Canada with removable chokes because they exceed the maximum bore diameter of 20 mm as defined in SOR/2020-96.

Canada's firearms industry body, the CSAAA, advises retailers to cease sales of many 12-gauge or larger shotguns with removable chokes."

It is estimated there are 1.5 - 2 million of the common hunting firearms in Canada.

As well, many large bore hunting rifles - some over 100 years old and valued over $100,000 have become prohibited. None of these firearms are semi-automatic or "military style." They encompass common bolt-action rifles such as the .460 Weatherby, break-open single and double rifles. These firearms are captured because the powerful cartridges they shoot - designed to humanely dispatch the largest game animals. PURE hunting rifles.

CSAAA also advises retailers to stop sales of "large hunting calibre, non semi-automatic rifles such as the Weatherby Mark V .460 as these rifles exceed the 10,000 Joules energy restriction.

Despite open hunting seasons across much of Canada, lawful firearms owners should refrain from using 12-gauge or larger shotguns with removable chokes or large calibre rifles capable of exceeding the government's energy ceiling.

These firearms are PROHIBITED and may not be used or transported for any reason.

Intentional lies or incompetent mistakes? You decide.