Can we please stop talking about "flat shooting" cartridges

[Inline6]

You're correct. But they are accurate factory loads so that's what he was using. Worked fine on his Oryx hunt and on safari, just doesn't work well for deer too close. Too much of a good thing.

Not many will want to hear it, if you loaded him up some Berger bullet. It would be a game changer in the performance of deer. The mono bullet will zip through a deer. The Berger may not even exit dumping all the energy in to the deer.

Mono bullets are good for heavy animals that can make the bullet expand. For lighter game cup and core bullets will perform better from my experience.

 

[Art Lambart II]

You're correct. But they are accurate factory loads so that's what he was using. Worked fine on his Oryx hunt and on safari, just doesn't work well for deer too close. Too much of a good thing.

Ok, because you where using factory loads I wont ask you to cancel your subscription to "Pith Helmet Quarterly"

 

[rookhawk]

Ok, because you where using factory loads I wont ask you to cancel your subscription to "Pith Helmet Quarterly"

I so badly want that to be a magazine!

I also want to subscribe to “old guy with a 257 roberts monthly” which would feature 70-80 year old grandfatherly men petting setters and spaniels, cooking game, and whittling. Lots of sweaters worn in that magazine too. Surely a department each month that involves using a lathe.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I so badly want that to be a magazine!

I also want to subscribe to “old guy with a 257 roberts monthly” which would feature 70-80 year old grandfatherly men petting setters and spaniels, cooking game, and whittling. Lots of sweaters worn in that magazine too. Surely a department each month that involves using a lathe.

@rookhawk
Send me a link to 257 Roberts monthly. Do they advertise cheap Viagra for us old farts as well. Hopefully it also has a section on shooting off walking frames
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Bob

 

[CoElkHunter]

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I'm thinking Townsend @Bob Nelson 35Whelen with his fast .25-20 and a 30x scope could wear out those prairie dogs at that distance?

 

[CoElkHunter]

Not many will want to hear it, if you loaded him up some Berger bullet. It would be a game changer in the performance of deer. The mono bullet will zip through a deer. The Berger may not even exit dumping all the energy in to the deer.

Mono bullets are good for heavy animals that can make the bullet expand. For lighter game cup and core bullets will perform better from my experience.

Not many HERE will want to hear it, but if you use factory Remington Core Lokts you will kill any deer in our Galaxy without any of them zipping through a deer and save the hunter from suffering a heart attack chasing a wounded deer all over hell and gone.

 

[JimP]

Deer are not hard to kill no matter what bullet you use, almost. 90% of the mule deer that I have shot have been pass through shots with my old 30-06, 7mm Rem mag, or 25-06. It didn't matter if the bullets were cup and core or monolithic. One of the bullets that I did recover was a cup and core. The deer was facing me at a little under 100 yards. That 150 grain 7mm bullet traversed that buck from just under his chin all the way to the hams where I found it with only a little meat loss.

Personally I don't want a bullet that is going to blow up inside of a deer.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I'm thinking Townsend @Bob Nelson 35Whelen with his fast .25-20 and a 30x scope could wear out those prairie dogs at that distance?

@CoElkHunter
Yeh right. Loaded with 3.4gn of trail boss and an 86gn cast flatnose it might make 100 yards. It's that fast I fired 3 quick shots at the 100 yard target and walked up to look at it. I was amazed there were no hole in the target but when I bent over to have a closer look the 3 projectiles hit me in the arse. Now that's a smoking fast load.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Bob

 

[CBH Australia]

Its not the 7x64 thats the problem, it's your choice of bullet. I'm shocked that a traditionalist like yourself would even concider using a new school bullet in an old school cartridge. Load that 7x64 with a heavy for caliber NP or a Woodie PP and stop tracking deer.

Woodleigh 140gn PPSP have shot tight little groups in my .280a.i. Handloads, traditional bullets
No not the classic .7x64 but based on the .30-06
My .280a.i. is of modern lightweight material so it's not a classic nor pretty.

Perhaps I need a 7x64 and a Pithy.

 

[Art Lambart II]

Perhaps I need a 7x64 and a Pithy.

Just buy and wear a Pithy, no one will notice your rifle.

 

[CoElkHunter]

@CoElkHunter
Yeh right. Loaded with 3.4gn of trail boss and an 86gn cast flatnose it might make 100 yards. It's that fast I fired 3 quick shots at the 100 yard target and walked up to look at it. I was amazed there were no hole in the target but when I bent over to have a closer look the 3 projectiles hit me in the arse. Now that's a smoking fast load.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Bob

Well Bob, that's what your 30x BDC scope would come in? Do you think the American bison hunters of yore had flat shooting rifles? They even used a graduated elevated rear sight to put their bullets on the mark with a rainbow trajectory. Quit whining and shoot something with the .25-20! At distance! Ha! Ha! Ha!

 

[CoElkHunter]

Woodleigh 140gn PPSP have shot tight little groups in my .280a.i. Handloads, traditional bullets
No not the classic .7x64 but based on the .30-06
My .280a.i. is of modern lightweight material so it's not a classic nor pretty.

Perhaps I need a 7x64 and a Pithy.

Perhaps you need a .338 Winchester Magnum and never look back? @Dr Ray has one? LOL

 

[CBH Australia]

Perhaps you need a .338 Winchester Magnum and never look back? LOL

Yes, a nice timber .338w.m. to fill the void between the .300w.m. and the .375H&H I can't think of anything more fitting that bridges the gap.

 

[sgt_zim]

Its not the 7x64 thats the problem, it's your choice of bullet. I'm shocked that a traditionalist like yourself would even concider using a new school bullet in an old school cartridge. Load that 7x64 with a heavy for caliber NP or a Woodie PP and stop tracking deer.

The lightest bullet I'm doing LD for in my 280 AI is a 156 gr Oryx, then 160 gr A Frame, then 175 Partition, Speer Grand Slam, and Sierra Game King. I figure at 2700 - 2750 on the 175, even the Speer and Sierra shouldn't be much risk for significant fragmentation at expected impact velocities. If this were a 28 Nosler, I wouldn't even be thinking about those last two.

 

[CBH Australia]

The lightest bullet I'm doing LD for in my 280 AI is a 156 gr Oryx, then 160 gr A Frame, then 175 Partition, Speer Grand Slam, and Sierra Game King. I figure at 2700 - 2750 on the 175, even the Speer and Sierra shouldn't be much risk for significant fragmentation at expected impact velocities. If this were a 28 Nosler, I wouldn't even be thinking about those last two.

Woodleigh do a 160gn PPSP.
They are rebuilding and they are planning to resume production.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Perhaps you need a .338 Winchester Magnum and never look back? @Dr Ray has one? LOL

@CoElkHunter
@CBH Australia needs a silly little 338WM as much as he needs an ashtray in a motorbike. He has a nice 375H&H that suits his aspirations.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Yes, a nice timber .338w.m. to fill the void between the .300w.m. and the .375H&H I can't think of anything more fitting that bridges the gap.

@CBH Australia
Chris a nice 35 Whelen would fill that gap better then you can have a cartridge that is better than the 300WM and almost as good as the 375H&H. Where the Whelen finishes the 375H&H will happily take over. Forget that silly little round @CoElkHunter is always rabbiting on about.
Bob

 

[DWB]

Don't dare using your flat shooter in the Dark Continent...

PS I did not read the rest of the thread

 

[Tom Leoni]

To me, flat shooting is a non-issue. Apart from a very specialized hunt--say, mountain sheep, where getting closer is often physically impossible--hunting equals staying within 250-300 yards max. Heck, seeing an animal far away doesn't even activate that tingle one gets when chasing an animal up close. May have something to do with our ancestral impulses--after all, we didn't evolve to kill mammoths 700 yards away with high-BC bullets.

Out to 300 yards practically all rifle cartridges available today are flat-shooting enough and will kill the appropriate game reliably. I just try to know my rifle and ballistics, put my zero where I think it should be and don't give it another thought. And if an animal presents itself farther away, I try to outsmart it and get closer--that I do find exciting, and success infinitely more rewarding than the bragging rights from a long shot.

Am I missing out?

 

[CBH Australia]

Heck, seeing an animal far away doesn't even activate that tingle one gets when chasing an animal up close. May have something to do with our ancestral impulses--after all, we didn't evolve to kill mammoths 700 yards away with high-BC bullets.

Am I missing out?

Hey Buddy, you better catch up on the thread about reintroduction of extinct species.

Mammoths are back in style and I bet the Man Bun crowd think they can take anything walking at 700 with their rifles, is Dinosaurs are not in the race with out .300wm and Karamojo Bell using a 7x57 was a myth because it's antiquated and too slow to be cool.