Bullet Performance Database

Here are some more Degol bullets.
The recipe is always the same : Hornady Cases, Federal 215 GM primer, Reload Swiss 52 powder and the bullets go at around 2210-2220 f/s.

Degol Lion Load 500 gr recovered in an eland shot with a quartering toward shot at ~90 meters.
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Weight retention : 489.90 gr = 98 %

Degol Lion Load 500 gr recovered in another eland with a quartering away shot at 173 meters.
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Weight retention : 495.95 gr : 99.2 %


Degol Lion shot 500 gr recovered in a young kudu bull with a quartering toward shot between 50 to 60 meters.
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Weight retention : 416.37 gr = 83.3 %

Degol Starkmantel 500 gr recovered in a giraffe with a quartering shot at ~40 meters.
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Weight retention : 466.15 : 93.2 %. You can also compare the difference between a Starkmantel 500 gr out of the box in the middle and the Lion Load on the right.
 
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Prvi Partizan 173Gr round nosed soft point fired from my 7x57mm Mauser Churchill Gun Makers Model Deluxe at Axis stag. Broadside heart shot through shoulder bone/scapula.

Bullet was recovered from the interior side of the opposite shoulder. Stag went 14 yards before dropping stone dead.
 
Hunter-Habib,

I have read your fondness for the old Winchester 175gr bullet for the 7X57mm Mauser, a couple years ago I bought a new in it's box 1951 year model Winchester model 70 in 7x57, another man associated with the buy sent me three boxes of the very old Winchester 7X57 ammunition in the blue, red and yellow boxes.

I was afraid of the ammunition, powder/primer strength reliability etc, didn't want to chance a hang-fire, I pulled those bullets, dumped the powder in the trash, popped the primers out and resized the brass cases, primed with new CCI-BR2 primers, H-4350 and 175gr Northfork bullets, the rifle is wonderfully accurate at 2655 fps, bullets guided to target just fine with an old Unertl Hawk fixed 4X rifle scope.

I guess I went a long way around the barn to say, if you're coming to the USA to attend a show, or have a contact here in the states that's going to travel over and hunt with you I'll send you/them those bullets if you want them, factory Winchester 175 grains with a large amount of exposed lead on the nose of the bullets.

Just let me know, take care Sir,

50Gunner
 
Received this back from one of the PH’s field testing my new .243 85gr bullet

“85gr SBC 6mm bullet, recovered from a blesbuck ram, shot at ±250m. Blesbuck was quartering away, bullet entered far back, behind rib cage and was recovered in opposite shoulder. Muzzle velocity: ±3200fps.

Recovered weight: 81.9gr (96.4%)
Expanded diameter: 11.8mm (1,9x)

Big performance from a little bullet.”

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338 WM, 210 Barnes TTSX reload.
South Texas Nilgai Bull. Near South shoreline of Baffin Bay.
~550 lbs live weight per my guide (my swag was 500).
Ranged distance: 49 yards. DA around negative (-) 800 feet. Temp ~59*F.
MV 2,889 fps. Impact V ~2,787 fps. Impact energy ~3,623 ft lbs.

Shot went through right shoulder and left rib (just behind shoulder), and stopped against tough elastic hide. Perfect mushroom. Guessing near 100% Retained weight, but won't know until I get home. 2nd pic is where it was cut out of the hide.

Bull ran about 75 yards and was dead when we found him.
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Here are a few recovered North Fork SS (soft nose type) bullets from various calibers (.416, .458, and I think one of these is a .423). Weight retention is 96% and up. Shots have ranged from frontal all the way around to hard quartering away angles, results are the same. These are also bore riding bullets and safe to shoot in my old (very old) double which I love to shoot buff with. I have tested most all of the top brands of bullets and the North Forks have been the most accurate and the best performers without question.
The target is from shooting my 404J at 100 yards using three 400 gr SS (softs) and two 400 gr flat point solids. Velocity was 2,370 fps ( powder is H4350). I hope this helps the thread.
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180 grain Nosler partition - factory Weatherby load from 300 Weatherby, 1-10 twist rifle. 3100fps aprox muzzle

267 yard shot
Bull Nilgai
500 lbs live weight

Hard hard quartered away. Entrance high and through back hip travled on exploding the liver into pieces and sticking in the ribs. The bull was immobilized due to high hip shot and likely would have died as liver was fully exploded and trauma was large. We ran up and gave him a Coup de grâce.

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Front lead portion shed away as advertised - we were left with a rear shank and a nice mushroom that traveled a few feet through a dense animal.
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Here are a few recovered North Fork SS (soft nose type) bullets from various calibers (.416, .458, and I think one of these is a .423). Weight retention is 96% and up. Shots have ranged from frontal all the way around to hard quartering away angles, results are the same. These are also bore riding bullets and safe to shoot in my old (very old) double which I love to shoot buff with. I have tested most all of the top brands of bullets and the North Forks have been the most accurate and the best performers without question.
The target is from shooting my 404J at 100 yards using three 400 gr SS (softs) and two 400 gr flat point solids. Velocity was 2,370 fps ( powder is H4350). I hope this helps the thread. View attachment 661625View attachment 661626View attachment 661627View attachment 661628View attachment 661629View attachment 661630View attachment 661631View attachment 661632View attachment 661633
Excellent all around! Is your double a 450 NE?
 
180 grain Nosler partition - factory Weatherby load from 300 Weatherby, 1-10 twist rifle. 3100fps aprox muzzle

267 yard shot
Bull Nilgai
500 lbs live weight

Hard hard quartered away. Entrance high and through back hip travled on exploding the liver into pieces and sticking in the ribs. The bull was immobilized due to high hip shot and likely would have died as liver was fully exploded and trauma was large. We ran up and gave him a Coup de grâce.

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Front lead portion shed away as advertised - we were left with a rear shank and a nice mushroom that traveled a few feet through a dense animal.
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Beautiful Nilgai bull!
 
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400Gr Hornady Dangerous Game Solid (.416 Rigby factory loads employing the flat nosed steel jacketed FMJ solids) which failed during a side brain shot on a bull elephant. Elephant required two more body shots before succumbing during a charge.

I don't know what's up with Hornady lately, but they should be ashamed of themselves. Bullet failures like this could cause somebody in the hunting party to lose his/her life (esp. when the intended quarry is an irate five ton pachyderm).

This is the seventh Hornady bullet failure on big game which I've documented over the last five years.
 
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As I understand it Hornady never admit they had faults with all their GB ammo, however they have, reportedly fix the problems to some extent. As far as I am concerned, I will not be using any of their DG ammo or projectiles for handloading. I douse their SST's and Interlocks in 30 and 270 Caliber's with no complaints.
 
Between last night and today, I have gone thru the 43 pages and surprisingly found little on 9.3 bullets. I was curious about actual results on game with the 250gr Nosler AB from a 9.3x74R. My rifle shoots them the best.
If anyone has used these in either the 9.3x74R or 9.3x62 I like to see the results.
 
Between last night and today, I have gone thru the 43 pages and surprisingly found little on 9.3 bullets. I was curious about actual results on game with the 250gr Nosler AB from a 9.3x74R. My rifle shoots them the best.
If anyone has used these in either the 9.3x74R or 9.3x62 I like to see the results.
There is a book out about the 9.3, I'll try and find the name for you. The Authour is a bloke by the name Hendricks. In it is a 65 page chapter about a bloke up on Cape York Australia, who has probably shot more game with it than most. He has tested every bullet he can get his hands on, not all that exist and reports what he found. If interested join Australian Hunting Net or see if you can read without joining. Mod's if I have stepped out of line by mentioning the other forum please delete the reference to it. The thread is 477 pages at the moment and titled My 9.3 & killed. So titled as some faulty ammo from PPU.

As a note of caution anybody with PPU 9.3x62 ammo batch No 1701 do not use it. Others have pulled the bullets and found the powder to be clumped and verdigris on the inside of the case.
 
I just found one of the many failed Barnes X bullets I have seen over the years, this is a 300gr .375 H&H I think it was a Federal Premium Factory load.

From a Buffalo I had to back up on, normally the Barnes are Ok in .375 H&H on Buffalo but some times they fail, never have had a Swift A Frame or Trophy Bonded Bear Claw fail.

Saying this I had just bought some TSX in 9.3 286gr as I couldn't find anything better (had trouble even finding these) for my hunt that might include a Dwarf/Forest Buff so was trusting them enough for that.

Unfortunately I will now be using a open sighted 7x64mm.
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I just found one of the many failed Barnes X bullets I have seen over the years, this is a 300gr .375 H&H I think it was a Federal Premium Factory load.

From a Buffalo I had to back up on, normally the Barnes are Ok in .375 H&H on Buffalo but some times they fail, never have had a Swift A Frame or Trophy Bonded Bear Claw fail.


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Sarg - Glad you are OK and here to share your story. I read your report of the TSX failure in the 375 with great interest. Can you please provide more details? I ask simply because I am going on a Cape Buffalo hunt with 375HH using Barnes TSX in just a few months and still have time to reevaluate.

Questions I am looking to answer:
  • At what distance did you take the shot? or shots?
  • How many shots were taken with this ammo? and did they all fail to expand?
  • What was the twist rate of your rifle?
  • What rifle was used and bbl length?
  • Despite the ammo fail did you still kill the buff? or did the PH or other backup gunner have to assist in the kill?
  • Was this same ammo used on any other game before and since? How did it perform?
  • How old was this ammo? I am wondering if it is early TSX bullets some of which may have been faulty or was it more recent production?
  • Where on the Buffalo's body did the TSX impact? i.e. Shoulder, skull, gut, rear, etc?
  • It appears to be bent as if the slug may have tumbled. Do you have any insights?
I am not a huge fan of the TSX, but that is only because I lack much experience with it. But that said, I killed a 600+ Lb Alpha herd bull Blue Wildebeest with the TSX using a 300g 375HH last year at a range of about 180y (est). The first shot was a frontal slightly quartering that expanded to 0.75" or 2.0x and penetrated over 3ft lodging in the paunch. The beast jumped, bucked, stumbled and ran away about 60y where he piled up. We advanced to within 60y where my PH advised me to shoot him again in the neck. That shot was a thru and thru which anchored him. We advanced then to 10y and since he was still lolling his head around and attempting to get up, I launched a 1/3rd TSX into his chest and that finished him. While the 1st shot was fatal the other two were fired to end it faster. That last slug was found under the hide on the opposite side. It expanded to 0.82" or 2.2x. I know WB are tough but I was not super impressed with the results. That is the only animal that I have killed with the TSX. The only reason I planed to use it on Buffalo was because I had been advised that it was more consistently effective than the A-Frames. I have both 300g A-Frames and Woodleigh Hydros as well that can be used.

I left some of my 375HH TSX ammo with my PH last year and told him to use it if he wanted to. He had a client from Europe on his reserve about a month or two later who rented his 375 to kill a buff and a lion. That hunter used my Barnes ammo on his buffalo firing a well placed shoulder shot and a 2nd quickly placed follow up. The PH reported that it was the quickest, most effective kill on Buffalo, he had ever seen. A 2nd hunter who hunted his Buffalo two weeks before I arrived also killed a buff with two fast, well place shots. That buff only walked 16y and died. These two cases made a believer out of my PH. He only lamented that the Barnes ammo is very expensive for him to source in South Africa when compared to other options.

My limited knowledge of the TSX bullet is that it is a controlled expansion bullet and it expands more up close to limit over penetration and expands a bit less at longer range or slower speeds so that it still penetrates deeply with some expansion. I also believe that the TSX does not "Dump' huge amounts of energy into a massive permanent wound cavity during that critical first 12-16 inches of its wound path. As a result it is less likely to do massive internal damage and less likely to drop a beast in its tracks when the brain or spine is not hit. The difference may not be that much compared to A-Frames or TBBC bullets. I have used the TBBC on deer and was not all that impressed with it either. It performed like a solid but since the bullet was a pass thru, I am guessing. The deer still dropped and died quickly.

On the other hand, I shot five PG animals from 20y to 202y with my 308 using 180g Fed Fusions a bonded lead cored bullet. Those were devastating and all resulted in one shot kills and most were DRT. I wish I had time to hunt a few more PG animals with the TSX prior to using it on a buffalo. I intend to hunt PG for 2-3 days before the buff hunt commences and Lord willing with gain some more experience with them then. I have Zebra, Black WB and Kudu on the menu which are all big and tough enough to test the ammo on.

I plan to take a few of the A-Frames (10) and a few of the Woodleighs (5) on the trip just so I have them. My rifle holds five rounds so the first three with be expanding bullets either TSX or A-Frames and the last two will be the Woodleigh Hydros. At Buffalo hunting distance inside of 100y they all shoot to the same POI with a 100y zero.

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JG26iriush_2, from what I have seen and read the Barnes can be a bit hit and miss. I have never used A Frames but have never read about them not doing the job. The Woodleigh Hydro's and Northfork Cup Points do more damage than a conventional solid, but not as much as a soft nose, penetrate further than soft nose but not as much as a decent sized meplat solid. I have taken my 2 Els and 1 Buff with the Hydro's, no complaints. Buff was shot front on, took the main artery at top of heart, ended up near skin in rump. Buff ran 50 mts then dropped dead.
 
Between last night and today, I have gone thru the 43 pages and surprisingly found little on 9.3 bullets. I was curious about actual results on game with the 250gr Nosler AB from a 9.3x74R. My rifle shoots them the best.
If anyone has used these in either the 9.3x74R or 9.3x62 I like to see the results.
I planned on using the 250 Nosler Accubond in my 9.3x74R on my last trip, because it also shot the best. Unfortunately I had a weird issue with the rifle shifting POI and ended up using my wife's gun or the PH's rifle instead.

That said, I loaded 225 Nosler Accubond in my wife's 358 Win. It was perfectly suited to the plains game we were hunting. Everything shot with it expired quickly, from 30 to 300 yards. Broadside shots exited. We recovered two bullets, one from a quartering shot on a kudu, and one frontal shot on gemsbok. I'd have to look up the exact details, but expansion looked great and weight retention around 80%. I would bet good money that a .358 225gr and .366 250gr Accubond at similar velocities will have very similar performance. I would have total confidence in the 9.3 250 Accubond on anything up to and including eland.
 
Between last night and today, I have gone thru the 43 pages and surprisingly found little on 9.3 bullets. I was curious about actual results on game with the 250gr Nosler AB from a 9.3x74R. My rifle shoots them the best.
If anyone has used these in either the 9.3x74R or 9.3x62 I like to see the results.
Found the book.
"9.3 x 62 Mauser Journal 3rd Edition" by Hendrik Van Der Schyff.
 

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