Bullet choices for .404 Jeffery

[BadPops]

A question occurred to me about proper bullet selection for my .404J. I am loading 400 grain bullets primarily for use on Cape Buffalo. Looking at muzzle velocities of about 2250 to 2350 fps. My two choices for bullets are Woodleigh Weldcore 400 grain SN RN and Swift A Frame 400 grain bullets.

Studying recommended impact velocities and looking at the range of impact velocities at the MVs that I am loading for, it looks to me that the Swift A Frames will be well below optimal impact velocity at about 2000 to 2100 fps at 100 yards and they may not expend optimally. With the Woodleigh 400 grain Weldcores this owuld be the 'sweet spot' and I am led to expect their performance would, at these speeds, be superior to the Swift A Frames.

For those with experience with the caliber and bullets above, I'd like to know your opinions on performance in this application.

Thanks

Get some North Fork 430 grain PPs or SSs and run them at around 2150 FPS. can’t go wrong.

 

[Angelo_orygun]

For reference, here is a 450 Woodleigh SN pulled from my Buff last week. 60 yards, estimated impact at 2076 FPS, 421 grains retained.

This was a factory Norma round.

 

[RichieG]

For reference, here is a 450 Woodleigh SN pulled from my Buff last week. 60 yards, estimated impact at 2076 FPS, 421 grains retained.

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This was a factory Norma round.

great job!

 

[Capt_Oscar]

For reference, here is a 450 Woodleigh SN pulled from my Buff last week. 60 yards, estimated impact at 2076 FPS, 421 grains retained.

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This was a factory Norma round.

SPECTACULAR!

 

[Rell]

How interesting. If there was a buffalo broadside at 100 yds and you have say a 1-6 scope on your 404 Jeff would you not try a heart shot?

Nope, get another 50-80 yards closer!

 

[Witold Krzyżanowski]

I'm using ammunition from RWS with bullet Vmantel ( full jacket bullet ) and Tmantel ( softpoint round nose bullet). Very good ammunition.

 

[Kevin Peacocke]

I did, that's who. He was on one side of the airstrip, we were on the other. No cover on an airstrip so the only option was to pass or take the shot, I opted for the latter and glad I did.

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Wow that is a nice buff.

 

[Proneshooter]

Wow that is a nice buff.

Thank you Kevin, it was taken with Doug Duckworth at Sengwa. It was my second hunt in that concession Nov. 2020. It was HOT.

 

[Capt_Oscar]

0.423 caliber, 400gr Swift A-Frame at 2305fps. (Using IMR-4831) - expanded to 0.799" and penetrated 43".

 

[North Fork Technologies]

We would suggest our products. We have bullets for all kind of animals for your caliber.

 

[sgt_zim]

We would suggest our products. We have bullets for all kind of animals for your caliber.

Additionally, you guys actually have some .423 bullets in stock. Swift doesn't, and hasn't for a while.

 

[Andrew Short]

We would suggest our products. We have bullets for all kind of animals for your caliber.

Per my understanding, the semi spitzer soft point as opposed to the percussion point would be recommended for Buffalo?

 

[North Fork Technologies]

Per my understanding, the semi spitzer soft point as opposed to the percussion point would be recommended for Buffalo?

Yes SS for first shot at buffalo. Then we suggest our CPS for follow up. Dr Kevin Robertson explained this very well in our podcast. Many times you shot and then the buffalo start run away from you. So you need a bullet that penetrate throw stomic, our CPS if you shot them over the tail you'll find the bullet in the throat.
Our PP is for soft skin game, as cat but also moose, elk, bear and so on.

 

[North Fork Technologies]

Additionally, you guys actually have some .423 bullets in stock. Swift doesn't, and hasn't for a while.

Yes Sir we do. And we plan for next delivery to the U.S.A. right now. For the .404 Jeffrey, Reloading International have some in stock.

 

[RayAtkinson]

Both work as designed so no need to overthink the result.. I field tested the Woodleigh 40 caliber for Geoff, and the cup point for Mike the original owner of North Fork, and over the years shot a lot of game with Swifts and they all past muster. The days of bullet failure are all but over, we complained and the bullet makers listened..

 

[Bert the Turtle]

These days, availability factors high in the choice process.

The more common calibers are a higher priority than the dangerous game calibers for some of the big manufacturers. And fair enough. If I were selling all the 5.56 I could make, I doubt I’d want to change over the line to make a handful of .423. Kudos to those who have done so.

Fortunately, the very best bullets for dangerous game are to be had from the small manufacturers who have made us a priority over the AR crowd (and couldn’t compete against the huge companies in that market anyway) so it works out.

 

[sgt_zim]

Another bullet you guys might consider is Hammer Bullets Shock Hammer 400 gr.

I've corresponded with Steve Davis from Hammer pretty extensively on LD for this bullet. When the time comes for serious LD for my 404, I'll be shooting Hammers vs North Forks.

 

[Nevada Mike]

My results:

Buff number one - high shoulder shot broadside at about 55 yards. Somewht deformed after passing through both shoulders, but 90%intact. SAF 400 gr. @ 2250 MV.

Buff number two - High shoulder shot @70 yards, same load - dead within 5 yards. 95% weight rettention.

 

[ActionBob]

My results:

Buff number one - high shoulder shot broadside at about 55 yards. Somewht deformed after passing through both shoulders, but 90%intact. SAF 400 gr. @ 2250 MV.

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Buff number two - High shoulder shot @70 yards, same load - dead within 5 yards. 95% weight rettention.

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Congratulations on a successful hunt! And making a good choice

 

[K95]

Well, maybe at the holding pens of RSA one would have that shot.

My first question to an outfitter is whether we can get within 50 yards of whatever DG I am interested in hunting.

Shot this Bull Buffalo at 210 yds , dead before he hit the ground. Here in Australia we must do things a little different . 494 Jeffery with a 369 gr mono at 2620 fps.