Boeing Aircraft

[fourfive8]

I was pretty young but clearly remember several after dinner discussions when friends/family were visiting. In addition to family who flew in WWII, a nuclear weapons “weaponeer” would also occasionally be visiting and join the discussion. He was one of three assigned to babysit the two nukes that departed Tinian- one for each drop and one for ground support and back-up. The AAF had to add an extra crewman to those B29 nuke drops, a nuclear weapons tech, the “weaponeer”, to monitor the bombs to make sure the triggers and fuzes were operating and the weapons were armed correctly.

What impressed me most about all those involved, was their matter of fact nature, each knowing the huge responsibility of their task and the all too common and well known risk, whether it be mechanical failure or of being shot down. Maybe it is a type of fatalistic safety valve humans carry with them in those type circumstances.

 

[RETD16]

I don’t recall all your warnings when the forums discuss using foreign airlines - Ethiad, Qatar, etc when flying with guns. Shouldn’t you post a warning? I mean they are seriously disadvantaged pilots in training and experience.

Sorry chief, didn’t happen according to the FAA and NTSB.

Best pilots have always been fighter jocks. US system doesn’t really support that model any more. Many foreign countries do.

While I’m not a commercial pilot, I am a pilot.

Nope, I didn’t fire off any warnings. I know the reality and have friends that used to train their pilots during the airline downturns of 9/11 and the economic downturn of 2008. As for the fighter jock comment…. That’s cute that you think that…. In my 20 years of flying commercially, the best pilots are the pilots that think of their crew first, and listen to all information provided from all sources. That could be a military pilot or civilian. Fighter pilots tend to have a steep learning curve when they get to the airlines because they are not used to a crew environment.

 

[Challer]

Nope, I didn’t fire off any warnings. I know the reality and have friends that used to train their pilots during the airline downturns of 9/11 and the economic downturn of 2008. As for the fighter jock comment…. That’s cute that you think that…. In my 20 years of flying commercially, the best pilots are the pilots that think of their crew first, and listen to all information provided from all sources. That could be a military pilot or civilian. Fighter pilots tend to have a steep learning curve when they get to the airlines because they are not used to a crew environment.

You don't know how wrong you are but I'm tired of you. Fighter pilots certainly don't fly alone, not even in a one seater. And they experience emergency situations far more than any commercial pilot other than say bush pilots, and know how to deal with them. The 25 yo pilot on my Embraer not so much.

But I would hope you would warn us all about poorly trained pilots when we discuss traveling with firearms on foreign carriers because it's just much easier. Perhaps you don't like any of us, not just me.

 

[spike.t]

Former Boeing Senior Manager Walks Off Alaska Airlines Flight After Realizing It Was On A 737 MAX 9

The ex-manager is now the executive director at an organization dedicated to informing the public about aviation safety issues.

simpleflying.com

 

[Challer]

FlySafair Boeing 737's Wheel Separates After Takeoff | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[Brent in Az]

Former Boeing Senior Manager Walks Off Alaska Airlines Flight After Realizing It Was On A 737 MAX 9

The ex-manager is now the executive director at an organization dedicated to informing the public about aviation safety issues.

simpleflying.com

I wouldn't get in one either

 

[PARA45]

Former Boeing Senior Manager Walks Off Alaska Airlines Flight After Realizing It Was On A 737 MAX 9

The ex-manager is now the executive director at an organization dedicated to informing the public about aviation safety issues.

simpleflying.com

If this is an unsafe aircraft, why are the US pilots still flying it? Why not strike and demand something to be done?

 

[Brent in Az]

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If this is an unsafe aircraft, why are the US pilots still flying it? Why not strike and demand something to be done?

Good question.

Maybe pilot's have big balls and a parachute......lol

 

[Doubleplay]

If this is an unsafe aircraft, why are the US pilots still flying it? Why not strike and demand something to be done?

No pilot will fly if they think it's an unsafe airplane US or foreign.
There have been no fatal incidents of Boeing 737 Max in the US.
No machine is perfect and small incidents can happen with any type of plane including Airbus.
This issue is way overblown.

 

[PARA45]

No pilot will fly if they think it's an unsafe airplane US or foreign.
There have been no fatal incidents of Boeing 737 Max in the US.
No machine is perfect and small incidents can happen with any type of plane including Airbus.
This issue is way overblown.

I don't know about the issue being overblown. There is plenty of evidence to go around. Nothing will be done until there is a fatal accident in the US.

 

[JimP]

A number of these problems that are being brought up are still a problem with maintenance and the ground crews.

Wheels coming off point to the airline flying the plane along with the cowlings and a number of other things that people are blaming on Boeing.

How about looking at the rest of the airlines when they loose a tire or a panel comes loose in flight?

I'm not defending Boeing when they do have problems but all the rest of the airline manufactures have a number of problems with their planes also.

 

[Brent in Az]

The common denominator for many events is airline maintenance. Maintenance tech takes his lunch break, and forgets to tighten the wheel......
The airline industry is highly competitive. They want those planes in the air making money. Maintenance short cuts has always been an issue

 

[Doubleplay]

I don't know about the issue being overblown. There is plenty of evidence to go around. Nothing will be done until there is a fatal accident in the US.

There’s plenty being done as we speak.
FAA is involved and there’s a clear path to fix the quality control issues.

 

[RETD16]

If this is an unsafe aircraft, why are the US pilots still flying it? Why not strike and demand something to be done?

First of all, the airplane is not unsafe. Yes, there have been significant incidents/accidents, but they have been and are being rectified. The FAA is all over Boeing and they’re (Boeing) paying airlines in excess of $400 million for the door issues that resulted in another grounding of the airplane.

Second, as unionized pilots, we are governed by the Railway Labor Act. We cannot just strike for any reason. That would be ruled by the Courts as an illegal work action. There is a TON of case law and precedent to back this up. The Company would simply file for an injunction, and would be awarded it fairly quickly. Then the pilots would get sued by the company for an illegal work action.

 

[Brent in Az]

Second Boeing whistleblower is dead. Hmmmm....Wonder what he ingested to cause the brief illness?

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

Corporate America and its stockholders run the game. Think back to the movie "Wall Street." As Gordon Gecko put it, greed works...greed is good. Really?

I don't think so. Greed has ruined companies and it in the end results in lesser financial results. Boeing lost it's way and may be it's down fall.

How Boeing Lost Its Way

Boeing arrives at this crossroads in the wake of two crashes within five months, in late 2018 and early 2019, of its best-selling 737 MAX jetliner that took the lives of 346 passengers.

www.forbes.com

 

[fourfive8]

Well, we'll see if they can get their years-behind-schedule crewed Starliner off the ground and the crew back safely. Hope so

 

[Brent in Az]

Federal Authorities and Boeing, are investigating a Southwest Airlines 737 Max 8, that experienced a Dutch roll.
The nose of the aircraft basically does figure 8's......up ....and down.

 

[Daniel Cary]

Little known fact. The Eighth Air Force, tasked with the daylight strategic precision bombardment of the Reich, suffered more fatalities (26K+ both KIA and accidents) than the whole Marine Corps during WWII. The 100th Group, one of the first bomb groups (37 total crews) sent to Britain in 1943 and subject of the new "Masters of the Air" mini-series (well worth watching), suffered particularly grievous losses. A WWII B-17 Bomb Group was built around 12 aircraft and 370 aircrew (allowed crew rotation). From its arrival in late '43 until the end of the war, the 100th lost 177 aircraft - each of those with a ten-man crew. That represented a 400 percent casualty rate (KIA, WIA, MIA, and captured). Of the original 37 crews, 35 were lost.

One would not think so, but the big Boeing B-17 was a brutally strong aircraft. Had it not been, the Luftwaffe would have stopped the daylight bombing offensive in its tracks.

Luftwaffe gun camera footage from WWII against B-24 and B-17 bombers.

That was really interesting, prompt research into the Luftwaffe!
.. the surviving members of the 8th talked a lot of how great a ship the B-17 was & gunner's (that could only speak for themselves) stated he couldn't hit small crafts, lucky to get short bursts off.
The 60 below cold. (as a pilot could get some heat off #3) stated he passed out, took off his glove & touched the window, led to surgically removing his hand free.

Great piece of hx & footage. many thanks!

 

[Hogpatrol]

The hits just keep on coming.


Jeff Arnold
Updated: Jun 14, 2024 / 03:40 PM CDT





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