Bob Nelson convinced me - 35 Whelen

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Wild boars? Boers? You've got wild Boers in OZ. No need to travel to Africa for them?

@CoElkHunter
We have both in Australia but only one is huntable. No Fun staying at home when you can travel
Bob

 

[bruce moulds]

one shoots back and one does not.
bruce.

 

[CoElkHunter]

@CoElkHunter
We have both in Australia but only one is huntable. No Fun staying at home when you can travel
Bob

I thought you were quarantined in OZ until the kangaroos come home?

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Yes sir! My first deer rifle that my dad gave me is still in my safe today. It's a Remington 700 BDL from the 1970s. I've killed many deer with it over the years.

@TOBY458
If it was a 243 the deer probably died laughing because you actually thought that it would work.
At least there would have been no holes in the skins. Don't worry about bloodshot meat the 243 ain't good enough for that past the muzzle.
The only way it will harm a deer is tie a piece of bread on the muzzle and while the deer is eating it pull the trigger. Any further away forget it.
Bob

 

[Rule 303]

During my time running an NZDA range complex I lost coun t of the number of times that someone had a stuck case situation with a 7mm-08, .308 Win. or .223Rem. I understand that the .260 Rem. is worse on that regard.
I have a single shot target rifle based on a Spanish Air Force 98 action with a Koenigsberg barrel which is chambered for 7.62x51. I have no intention of ever again owning a so-called repeater chambered for .308 Winchester (or any derivative thereof) unless it is a two lug Sako. That is because the feeding of those cartridges is typically crap in cheaper rifles.

They feed smooth and reliably enough in an SLR

@Scrumbag
Superior to what, a Neanderthal. At least Australia has the OLDEST civilization in the world.
Bo

Surviving civilization who invented a stick that comes back and hits you if you don't keep your eyes on it.

 

[Rule 303]

Nought wrong with Bob. He is a wise man avoiding the 243 like the plague and recognizing the 358 cal for it's greatness. I too admire and respect the 358 cal, I have 4 different 358 cals, one even surpasses the great 375H&H.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

They feed smooth and reliably enough in an SLR

Surviving civilization who invented a stick that comes back and hits you if you don't keep your eyes on it.

@Rule303
If the stick don't come back it's still just a stick.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Nought wrong with Bob. He is a wise man avoiding the 243 like the plague and recognizing the 358 cal for it's greatness. I too admire and respect the 358 cal, I have 4 different 358 cals, one even surpasses the great 375H&H.

@Rule 303
You are truly a great man man of superior intelligence owning 3 35s and knowing the merits of them all.
Bob

 

[ZG47]

@Rule 303
Too right they feed well in the SLR! The first rifle I shot, government paying for the ammo. The SLR is very well set up and although rather heavy it is far quicker and easier to field strip, clean and reassemble than AR15 rifles. It also has a better military sight system then either the M16 or the M16A2, i.e. none of that competition garbage OR a foresight that appears to go from thick to thin and vice versa as it is adjusted. Before anyone gets confused about my omission of the M16A1, that designation refers purely to a select fire AR15 rifle with the forward assist mechanism. The US Army insisted upon that mechanism because the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine and M14 rifles had reliability issues due to dirt getting into their open top receivers. The fact that AR15 rifles only have a side opening with a Sturmgewehr derived spring-loaded ejection port cover did not deter them from adding needless and potentially dangerous complexity to the rifle.
Tit for tat nonsense should never apply to such programmes but the world will always invent a better idiot.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

@Rule 303
Too right they feed well in the SLR! The first rifle I shot, government paying for the ammo. The SLR is very well set up and although rather heavy it is far quicker and easier to field strip, clean and reassemble than AR15 rifles. It also has a better military sight system then either the M16 or the M16A2, i.e. none of that competition garbage OR a foresight that appears to go from thick to thin and vice versa as it is adjusted. Before anyone gets confused about my omission of the M16A1, that designation refers purely to a select fire AR15 rifle with the forward assist mechanism. The US Army insisted upon that mechanism because the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine and M14 rifles had reliability issues due to dirt getting into their open top receivers. The fact that AR15 rifles only have a side opening with a Sturmgewehr derived spring-loaded ejection port cover did not deter them from adding needless and potentially dangerous complexity to the rifle.
Tit for tat nonsense should never apply to such programmes but the world will always invent a better idiot.

@ZG47
The SLR also had two designations
The L1A1 semi auto and the L1A2 selective fire.
When I was in the army we used to have fun (in a safe way) with dickheads that needed to be straightened out. We would turn the gas to operate with the dirtiest setting and place part of a match in the right area. When dickhead assumed the position and locked and loaded he was in for a big surprise. What ever was loaded into the mag was emptied in one full auto burst and the shooter had the shit kicked out of him by the recoil. After the exersize the rifle was field stripped to determine what happened, but as soon as the action was open the bit of match would fall out unseen. The poor recruit was balled out by the by the NCO but they never stuffed up again.
Another little trick was when doing a range shoot all weapons had to have the sights blackened and checked for alignment .
A strip of sticky rope over the peep sight sprayed with mat black paint then put a pin hole in it giving a very fine sight picture like a target aperture. No one picked up on it and couldn't figure out why I got such small groups in the ordinary target shoots. For the combat shoots and it was the standard battle apature used. Always had the range NCOs stumped because at the end of a target shoot all weapons had to be inspected. W seconds and the tape was off and you presented a normal weapon.
Loved the SLR runs rings around the Styer f88 in my humble opinion. If I hit a target I want it to stay hit with a bit of grunt not sting it to death with a 223. Call me old fashioned and out dated but that's me.
Bob
Bob

 

[Wyatt Smith]

Well Bob, we have one more thing in common, a love for the FN-FAL.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Well Bob, we have one more thing in common, a love for the FN-FAL.

I like the selective fire feature.

 

[Wyatt Smith]

I like the selective fire feature.

Mine doesn’t have it.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I like the selective fire feature.

@CoElkHunter
You don't need the selective fire version just learn where to put part of a match. Only problem is you have to keep replacing it.
Bob

 

[ZG47]

@ZG47
The SLR also had two designations
The L1A1 semi auto and the L1A2 selective fire.
When I was in the army we used to have fun (in a safe way) with dickheads that needed to be straightened out. We would turn the gas to operate with the dirtiest setting and place part of a match in the right area. When dickhead assumed the position and locked and loaded he was in for a big surprise. What ever was loaded into the mag was emptied in one full auto burst and the shooter had the shit kicked out of him by the recoil. After the exersize the rifle was field stripped to determine what happened, but as soon as the action was open the bit of match would fall out unseen. The poor recruit was balled out by the by the NCO but they never stuffed up again.
Another little trick was when doing a range shoot all weapons had to have the sights blackened and checked for alignment .
A strip of sticky rope over the peep sight sprayed with mat black paint then put a pin hole in it giving a very fine sight picture like a target aperture. No one picked up on it and couldn't figure out why I got such small groups in the ordinary target shoots. For the combat shoots and it was the standard battle apature used. Always had the range NCOs stumped because at the end of a target shoot all weapons had to be inspected. W seconds and the tape was off and you presented a normal weapon.
Loved the SLR runs rings around the Styer f88 in my humble opinion. If I hit a target I want it to stay hit with a bit of grunt not sting it to death with a 223. Call me old fashioned and out dated but that's me.
Bob
Bob

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen Some time before I joined the squadron, a match was placed in the appropriate place and the barrel of an L1A1 was destroyed during the subsequent playtime. The L1A2 is a nice gun to fire BUT it should have had a hand guard. I understand that the FAL heavy barrel did have one and I reckon that the Aussie improved prototype would have been a nice gun.
The Steyr AUG was obviously of lower quality throughout than the SLR variants, on first inspection; and the F88 was of lower quality again. I am talking from experience.
Too many people fail to realise that the AUG was designed, tested and purchased as an interim weapon! The Austrian Army was planning to adopt the caseless technology developed by Voere but the Soviet Union collapsed, the Iron Curtain disappeared (starting in Hungary) and European defence budgets were swiftly reduced. The Voere (UCC?) bolt-action rifles were an attempt to recoup development costs.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen Some time before I joined the squadron, a match was placed in the appropriate place and the barrel of an L1A1 was destroyed during the subsequent playtime. The L1A2 is a nice gun to fire BUT it should have had a hand guard. I understand that the FAL heavy barrel did have one and I reckon that the Aussie improved prototype would have been a nice gun.
The Steyr AUG was obviously of lower quality throughout than the SLR variants, on first inspection; and the F88 was of lower quality again. I am talking from experience.
Too many people fail to realise that the AUG was designed, tested and purchased as an interim weapon! The Austrian Army was planning to adopt the caseless technology developed by Voere but the Soviet Union collapsed, the Iron Curtain disappeared (starting in Hungary) and European defence budgets were swiftly reduced. The Voere (UCC?) bolt-action rifles were an attempt to recoup development costs.

@ZG47
The new Austyer 90 made in Australia is supposed to be a big improvement over the old 88. All the mod were Australian and now being adopted elsewhere.
The match stick trick shouldn't have hurt the old L1A1 but anything is possible.
The look on old mates face when he touched it off was hilarious .
Bob

 

[ZG47]

@ZG47
The new Austyer 90 made in Australia is supposed to be a big improvement over the old 88. All the mod were Australian and now being adopted elsewhere.
The match stick trick shouldn't have hurt the old L1A1 but anything is possible.
The look on old mates face when he touched it off was hilarious .
Bob

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen I have seen the Lithgow PR videos and read some of their information. I would imagine that the Austeyr 90 is a big improvement over the F88.
The guys got the barrel on that L1A1 red hot with all the rounds they put through it. I suspect that they might have wrecked it by trying the cold water trick which is not a good idea on light rifle barrels. Best to let them air cool. Specially made machine gun barrels have reportedly been cooled in streams without obvious damage.
It would have funny to watch!

 

[leslie hetrick]

i,m living proof that the m-14 will end the fight with one round, where the m-16 may fail.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

i,m living proof that the m-14 will end the fight with one round, where the m-16 may fail.

@leslie hetrick
Can't beat a good 30 cal 30ought six, 303 or 308. All will stop or slow down most opponents.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen I have seen the Lithgow PR videos and read some of their information. I would imagine that the Austeyr 90 is a big improvement over the F88.
The guys got the barrel on that L1A1 red hot with all the rounds they put through it. I suspect that they might have wrecked it by trying the cold water trick which is not a good idea on light rifle barrels. Best to let them air cool. Specially made machine gun barrels have reportedly been cooled in streams without obvious damage.
It would have funny to watch!

@ZG47
When my father was in Korea some of the battles they were in the SMLE No1 mk111 with the skim barrel would get that hot the forend would start to smoke.
On a few occasions the would break ranks and throw their rifles in a creek. Back to the line and keep fireing while others did the same. This was repeat several times during the fire fight with no apparent harm to the weapons.
Bob.