BourbonTrail
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As someone who has tested interior and exterior ballistics professionally…all I am seeing is a market opportunity.
I tried Norma and possibly one other.
Normally, when you change to a different cartridge, QL will choose a default bullet to get things going. My version just indicated none available.
@Opposite Pole - I did not know you could enter a bullet manually. Learned something new.
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The M1910 Mannlicher is the
9.5×57mm Mannlicher–Schönauer, correct?
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9.5×57mm Mannlicher–Schönauer - Wikipedia
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9.5×57mm Mannlicher–Schönauer - Wikipedia
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It's listed in Quickload, but then the software indicates no bullets are available. When I tried to select a bullet anyway, it ended up in a Cluster and I had to use Task Manager to even close the program.
So it seems like Quickload is not your solution. I would try to find a forum dedicated to the Mannlicher rifles and see if anyone is still reloading for it. (And how they make their brass, etc.).
FWIW Quickload works well for me. Not magical and not always as close to actual as I wish - just another tool in the drawer. Especially for a powder that might not be listed in the manuals.
It's useful for wildcats, my primary use. For SAAMI and CIP cartridges, standard manuals are generally sufficient.As someone who has tested interior and exterior ballistics professionally…all I am seeing is a market opportunity.
So. People did a lititle research and tried to be helpful and you tell them to kiss ass. OK.
Saying you were a beginner appears to have been misleading, btw.
I'm sorry you believe that. That's not what I meant at all.
What I meant was:
I asked the question: If QL is not dependable, what else can be used to generate a load for a cartridge type that is no longer listed in any available published load source?
Specifically, a previous poster gave up on QL, so I asked "what do you use instead?" I went on to specify that the two loads I was looking at were either not normally listed in manuals, or had limited powder availability. I also mentioned specific bullet and powder types that could not possibly be listed in old manuals, and asked if there was other software that might be useful.
One person answered the software question. Thank you Bob Nelson.
Ammoguide is good, but without a way to "check" (i.e. compare to other published loads), I'm a little loath to go blindly with it.
By my count, at least five people told me to use load manuals. I even asked a second time: "How old of a manual do I need to have to find this round listed?"
"Research" also said Woodleigh doesn't make a 9,5 bullet. Several people besides myself recognized that as entirely incorrect.
This led to more "use a load manual" and at least two "Newbies shouldn't try this." I'm not the one telling people to take off... I feel like I've been told to go back to the kiddie table, the adults are talking. That kind of rubbed me the wrong way.
I also strongly believe there is a world of difference between "NOOB" and "Beginner". You're a beginner until you become an expert, and I am not an expert. If I were, I wouldn't need to ask questions. I'm on that point on the experience/expertise curve where I realized there's an awful lot I don't know yet. If that moves me away from "beginner", OK, I'll accept the promotion but really think I need to yank the handle on the Dillon a few more times to get there. I still believe there is a world of difference between yanking out a bunch of loads from published data for .45ACP and developing something for a rifle that people really haven't been using since Hemingway and Ramar of the Jungle.
My original question remains: I have two old rifles. One has limited information listed in published manuals, and the powder is frequently not available, forcing me to use other powders. The other has no published loads information. Both are CIP approved rounds, with data relating to case size easily available on the CIP website. Not previously mentioned because I thought it was easily understood is bullet types (6.5mm = .264 and 9.5mm = .375) are readily available in various bullet weights.
What methods can I use to safely determine load while avoiding pressure peaks and other bad news?
9.5X57 Mannlicher Schönauer. Also known as the .375 X 2 ½ inch Rimless Nitro Express.
.375 270 grain. Woodleigh makes them. ... Hornady made a nice round nose, but they are focused on "other things" right now.
Would love to look it up in a manual. It hasn't been listed in a manual for some time. Even if I find an old manual, powders have changed a bit over time, so that's only a guess.
Headspace and potential case separation?
Since 9.5x57 and 375HH are not identical calibres, although they are very close,
...a rifle that people really haven't been using since Hemingway and Ramar of the Jungle.
The 9.5X57 / .375 Nitro Express Rimless 2.25" is absolutely not the same, nor is it even close, to a .375 H&H. Do not load it like one.
The 9.5X57 Mannlicher Schoenauer is not the .375 2.5", it is the .375 2.25" Nitro Express Rimless.
I don't know. I thought this bolt handle looked to be both butterknife shaped and a bit far forward, now I'm not sure.I don't think 'Ramar' used a Mannlicher Schoenauer.
From images / videos I have seen the character carried a few different rifles, among which and often shown was a full stocked carbine (stutzen) with a bolt handle too far rearward to be an MS.
I believe he used one of these or similar:
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Mauser stutzen
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Thank you. The reason I thought perhaps it would not work was when another user said "I gave up on QL a long time ago. Could never get it to work properly in that the PSI was always orders of magnitude greater than what it actually was in recipes that I knew were safe and had actual PSI measurements." That's why I asked what to use instead. From your description, it will be helpful. I appreciate it.QL does list the 9.5x57 chambering so it’s just a matter of picking the correct projectile and powder. I’m not sure why you seem to think you can’t use it? To satisfy my curiosity I just ran a simulation on the 270gr Woodleigh using RS52 powder (last powder I used in the software). With this powder you get a starting load of 2159fps and a safe max load (15% below CIP max pressure) of 2243fps with good load density (92-95%). This is out of a 24” barrel.
I don't know. I thought this bolt handle looked to be both butterknife shaped and a bit far forward, now I'm not sure.
Surely though, you'll agree that he was everyone's Bwana?