back up to three .35 whelens, rem 700 custom deluxe picked up

[CoElkHunter]

ceh,
if you take all your 338 brass to a machinist, have all the belts turned off, and the correct extractor groove cut, guess what you will have?
cases that when necked up to 9.3mm will be the same as the 9.3x64.
might just be easier to get a reamer for 338 necked up to 9.3 and chamber a new krieger or bartlein .
bruce.

Bruce,
Interesting concept? But why would one want to remove the belt from a belted magnum case when making any quasi wildcat cartridge? Head space on the belt and not have to worry about the shoulder and neck size only for many firings? Although, I guess the belted case can get weakened above the belt after awhile? And, why were belted cases created anyway? The older cartridge cases weren’t. This is off topic, but I just thought of these questions.
CEH

 

[bruce moulds]

ceh,
i just said that to demonstrate the size of the 9.3x64 case.
better leave the belt on and just neck up.
bruce.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Ha! Ha! You could ask 100+ (probably 1K?) hunters HERE if they know what a 35 Whelen is and maybe a handful would know? I would bet 90% would know what a .338WM is. Probably 100% with a Crudmoor? Ha! Ha!

@CoElkHunter
After they way I plug the Whelen on this site I reckon If'n you asked 1k People 999 would know what it is and who uses it
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Bob

 

[CoElkHunter]

@CoElkHunter
After they way I plug the Whelen on this site I reckon If'n you asked 1k People 999 would know what it is and who uses it
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Bob

Bob,
Let me clarify. When I typed “here”, I meant hunters in the U.S. I think everybody on AH by now knows the .35 Whelen with both you and Leslie Hetrick and others promoting it’s attributes. Had I originally went with a .30-06 instead of my .270, I would’ve been closer to getting a Whelen than my .338. But, now that I think about it, I’m not sure I even knew what a Whelen was back then. I think they may have been more popular in the Remington pump action rifles in the east here than in the west? Anyway, I think it’s a great .35 caliber upgrade along with a 358 Winchester, for those that have the parent cartridges.
CEH

 

[TNDave]

Hey I know what a 35 Whelen is! I’ll be taking one on safari here in about 66 days, can’t wait.

 

[sestoppelman]

@CoElkHunter
After they way I plug the Whelen on this site I reckon If'n you asked 1k People 999 would know what it is and who uses it
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Bob

I'll see your .35 Whelen and raise you an 8x64s!

 

[CoElkHunter]

Hey I know what a 35 Whelen is! I’ll be taking one on safari here in about 66 days, can’t wait.

TNDave,
Well if you lived closer I’d let you borrow my .338WM. But, it’s a Browning A Bolt push feed, so no Buffalo hunting with it. I’ll even sell you a box of super Premium 225gr. Remington Core Lokts to use with it for $95 us! Ha! Ha! Ha!
CEH

 

[sestoppelman]

Just to draw Bob back into this...LOL... I just was looking things over on my bench and did a little comparison between the Whelen and my latest heart throb, the 8x64s. Now as Bob loads his Whelens, well, lets just say no round short of a .458 Mag can equal his loads!
But I did find that with both cases loaded to near overflow of ball powder, the Whelen enjoys about a grain and a half advantge in capacity.
However... if loaded to the base of the neck, the 8x64 has an advantage of about a grain or so, approximately of course.
In the real world I would consider these two rounds near ballistic equals. I would surely give the Whelen the nod on heavier game for its broader selection of heavy bullets. The usual heavy for the 8mm is a mere 220 grains and the Whelen is just warming up with that weight!
But up to 220 grains I believe the two are about equal in potential with both having some advantages. A 220 gr .323 bullet at 2700 fps or so will carry a little better than the same weight of .358 caliber, better ballistic properties. The Whelen being of larger diameter (may) prove a harder hitter at close range.
In most manuals the two would be peas in a pod, if the 8x64 could be found in any manuals which so far has proved to be something of a unicorn with a dose of pixie dust!

In reality anything properly hit with either one probably wont notice the difference, both will do the job on game anything short of buffalo and for buffalo I would probably choose the Whelen with at least a 250 gr bullet with one of Bobs loads!

 

[CoElkHunter]

Just to draw Bob back into this...LOL... I just was looking things over on my bench and did a little comparison between the Whelen and my latest heart throb, the 8x64s. Now as Bob loads his Whelens, well, lets just say no round short of a .458 Mag can equal his loads!
But I did find that with both cases loaded to near overflow of ball powder, the Whelen enjoys about a grain and a half advantge in capacity.
However... if loaded to the base of the neck, the 8x64 has an advantage of about a grain or so, approximately of course.
In the real world I would consider these two rounds near ballistic equals. I would surely give the Whelen the nod on heavier game for its broader selection of heavy bullets. The usual heavy for the 8mm is a mere 220 grains and the Whelen is just warming up with that weight!
But up to 220 grains I believe the two are about equal in potential with both having some advantages. A 220 gr .323 bullet at 2700 fps or so will carry a little better than the same weight of .358 caliber, better ballistic properties. The Whelen being of larger diameter (may) prove a harder hitter at close range.
In most manuals the two would be peas in a pod, if the 8x64 could be found in any manuals which so far has proved to be something of a unicorn with a dose of pixie dust!

In reality anything properly hit with either one probably wont notice the difference, both will do the job on game anything short of buffalo and for buffalo I would probably choose the Whelen with at least a 250 gr bullet with one of Bobs loads!

sestoppelman,
I’m glad to see your trying to bait Bob back into this conversation. Your a master at it! He’s been kinda quiet this evening. “In the real world”? Glad it’s not too common here or it could get mighty monotonous. They do things differently there anyway, especially when discussing calibers, cartridges, bullet weights, powder charges, etc. I’m sure Bob will come around soon .
CEH

 

[bruce moulds]

Just to draw Bob back into this...LOL... I just was looking things over on my bench and did a little comparison between the Whelen and my latest heart throb, the 8x64s. Now as Bob loads his Whelens, well, lets just say no round short of a .458 Mag can equal his loads!
But I did find that with both cases loaded to near overflow of ball powder, the Whelen enjoys about a grain and a half advantge in capacity.
However... if loaded to the base of the neck, the 8x64 has an advantage of about a grain or so, approximately of course.
In the real world I would consider these two rounds near ballistic equals. I would surely give the Whelen the nod on heavier game for its broader selection of heavy bullets. The usual heavy for the 8mm is a mere 220 grains and the Whelen is just warming up with that weight!
But up to 220 grains I believe the two are about equal in potential with both having some advantages. A 220 gr .323 bullet at 2700 fps or so will carry a little better than the same weight of .358 caliber, better ballistic properties. The Whelen being of larger diameter (may) prove a harder hitter at close range.
In most manuals the two would be peas in a pod, if the 8x64 could be found in any manuals which so far has proved to be something of a unicorn with a dose of pixie dust!

In reality anything properly hit with either one probably wont notice the difference, both will do the job on game anything short of buffalo and for buffalo I would probably choose the Whelen with at least a 250 gr bullet with one of Bobs loads!

now you have done it.
bruce.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Just to draw Bob back into this...LOL... I just was looking things over on my bench and did a little comparison between the Whelen and my latest heart throb, the 8x64s. Now as Bob loads his Whelens, well, lets just say no round short of a .458 Mag can equal his loads!
But I did find that with both cases loaded to near overflow of ball powder, the Whelen enjoys about a grain and a half advantge in capacity.
However... if loaded to the base of the neck, the 8x64 has an advantage of about a grain or so, approximately of course.
In the real world I would consider these two rounds near ballistic equals. I would surely give the Whelen the nod on heavier game for its broader selection of heavy bullets. The usual heavy for the 8mm is a mere 220 grains and the Whelen is just warming up with that weight!
But up to 220 grains I believe the two are about equal in potential with both having some advantages. A 220 gr .323 bullet at 2700 fps or so will carry a little better than the same weight of .358 caliber, better ballistic properties. The Whelen being of larger diameter (may) prove a harder hitter at close range.
In most manuals the two would be peas in a pod, if the 8x64 could be found in any manuals which so far has proved to be something of a unicorn with a dose of pixie dust!

In reality anything properly hit with either one probably wont notice the difference, both will do the job on game anything short of buffalo and for buffalo I would probably choose the Whelen with at least a 250 gr bullet with one of Bobs loads!

@sestoppelman
8x64, 8mm rem mag, 325 WSM all good calibers and almost the equal of the Whelen with bullets up 225 grains it's only when you get to 250 and over like to said all of them better than @CoElkHunter 338
Pussycat
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

sestoppelman,
I’m glad to see your trying to bait Bob back into this conversation. Your a master at it! He’s been kinda quiet this evening. “In the real world”? Glad it’s not too common here or it could get mighty monotonous. They do things differently there anyway, especially when discussing calibers, cartridges, bullet weights, powder charges, etc. I’m sure Bob will come around soon .
CEH

@CoElkHunter
Mate just came around about 4.45 pm after another bout of surgery but IM BAACK
BOB

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Bob,
Let me clarify. When I typed “here”, I meant hunters in the U.S. I think everybody on AH by now knows the .35 Whelen with both you and Leslie Hetrick and others promoting it’s attributes. Had I originally went with a .30-06 instead of my .270, I would’ve been closer to getting a Whelen than my .338. But, now that I think about it, I’m not sure I even knew what a Whelen was back then. I think they may have been more popular in the Remington pump action rifles in the east here than in the west? Anyway, I think it’s a great .35 caliber upgrade along with a 358 Winchester, for those that have the parent cartridges.
CEH

@CoElkHunter
Did I read correctly are you thinking the 35s are better than the 338
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Hey I know what a 35 Whelen is! I’ll be taking one on safari here in about 66 days, can’t wait.

@TNTDave
You are truly a man of exceptional taste. Load it with 225grain accubonds and woodleigh projectiles and a healthy dose of cfe223 for up to 2,900 fps and have fun or use Speer reloading site for the 250 Grainers @ 2,700fps and go whoop some ass.
Don't worry about these nay sayers they speak with forked tongue a nd lacking in wisdom of the 35 intelligentsia group
Bob.

 

[CoElkHunter]

@CoElkHunter
Mate just came around about 4.45 pm after another bout of surgery but IM BAACK
BOB

Glad your back Bob! Hope everything went OK.

 

[CoElkHunter]

@CoElkHunter
Did I read correctly are you thinking the 35s are better than the 338
Bob

No. SOME 35s might be better than the .338WM, IF you already own one and don’t own a .338? Example: If you owned a .35 Remington, you could sell your Whelen(s) and hunt everything in OZ with it? Then buy a .338WM and hunt everything else? See, easy decision.

 

[leslie hetrick]

i have a 35 rem, a rem 141 pump made in 1940 that i shoot 200 gr round nose bullets at 2100 fps and its good for deer-bear close up if they are not wearing their kevlor vests and are closer than 50 yards.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Glad your back Bob! Hope everything went OK.

@CoElkHunter
The surgeon said all went well but no weight bearing on the right foot for 6 weeks
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

No. SOME 35s might be better than the .338WM, IF you already own one and don’t own a .338? Example: If you owned a .35 Remington, you could sell your Whelen(s) and hunt everything in OZ with it? Then buy a .338WM and hunt everything else? See, easy decision.

@ CoElkHunter
Mate even the 35 rem is better than the 338 mag. In some of the scrub we hunt the mates little 35 marlin lever is deadly on pigs. You338 might get one then get tangled.
The when things open up a little it's t h e Whelen. Therefore where's the need for that 338.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Just to draw Bob back into this...LOL... I just was looking things over on my bench and did a little comparison between the Whelen and my latest heart throb, the 8x64s. Now as Bob loads his Whelens, well, lets just say no round short of a .458 Mag can equal his loads!
But I did find that with both cases loaded to near overflow of ball powder, the Whelen enjoys about a grain and a half advantge in capacity.
However... if loaded to the base of the neck, the 8x64 has an advantage of about a grain or so, approximately of course.
In the real world I would consider these two rounds near ballistic equals. I would surely give the Whelen the nod on heavier game for its broader selection of heavy bullets. The usual heavy for the 8mm is a mere 220 grains and the Whelen is just warming up with that weight!
But up to 220 grains I believe the two are about equal in potential with both having some advantages. A 220 gr .323 bullet at 2700 fps or so will carry a little better than the same weight of .358 caliber, better ballistic properties. The Whelen being of larger diameter (may) prove a harder hitter at close range.
In most manuals the two would be peas in a pod, if the 8x64 could be found in any manuals which so far has proved to be something of a unicorn with a dose of pixie dust!

In reality anything properly hit with either one probably wont notice the difference, both will do the job on game anything short of buffalo and for buffalo I would probably choose the Whelen with at least a 250 gr bullet with one of Bobs loads!

@sestoppelman
Ses I wasn't long out is surgery when i read your post about the 8x64. The 8mm with a 220grainer at 2,700 is still slower than t hgem Whelens 225 grain accubonds @2,900 fps. The Whelen wìth 250s @2,700 fps is a different story again.
Both loads are up over 4,000fpe at the muzzle.
If the 8mm rem mag and the 325 are peas in a pod and the Whelen chews up both those pip squeaks then the 8x64 must be something special to come near it.
I do like these friendly sessions with you but they would be better around a campfire with our drinks of choice.
Bob