Another Collared Named Lion (FRISK) killed

[Alexandro Faria]

Alexandro, who gives you the @#$@#@ right to call the dentist an ass? I am not sure if I have read your comment correctly or am I missing something. Before the Cecil crap, these people were getting money from trophy hunting of lions, now Zimbabwe sits with a problem of too many lions and are needing to cull. Do you think there's a difference to the lions whether they killed by a villager or foreign hunter, I bet in most cases more humane by the foreign hunter.

Okay,first of all, me refering to him as an ass was in reference to how is perceived by the public, so please rather try see what I'm trying to say rather than look for insult. Second, I know quite a bit about the overpopulation issue, thanks. 3rd, I have no issue with trophy hunting, I have always said that it's an important part of Africa's economy. However, this will be my third time shooting at this, the issue is more of how the world perceives the western world to abuse 3rd world countries. It's metaphorical.

 

[siml]

@Hank2211 and @35bore , I don't know why it didn't show your posts when I first commented. Well put.

@Alexandro Faria , if you read what I said, I asked have I read you correctly or missed something. I still don't know why you had to add ass....immediately you are belittling hunters. And of cause I won't approve.

The only big difference is people are ignorant.

 

[Alexandro Faria]

@TMS, I respectfully disagree. It's important because it's honest and it's how the majority see it. I am a hunter, thus I wouldn't belittle them. It's completely short sighted to state such. There are so many differences. I do apologize, but I do not agree with you.

 

[ActionBob]

However, we live in a world of keyboard warriors and where power lies with the mob. Social media has linked extremists all over the world.

the issue is more of how the world perceives the western world to abuse 3rd world countries. It's metaphorical.

It's important because it's honest and it's how the majority see it.

Alexandro if I'm reading you right, you keep saying that if the mob says it is so, it is so. Don't you see that just because it may be the popular opinion or how the majority sees something, that does not mean it is right!

Right is right, wrong is wrong, no matter how many uninformed or wrongly informed people say otherwise... Mob rule is how lynch mobs are formed and innocent people get hurt or killed... Getting a mob worked up into a frenzy is how people like Hitler came to power.

This whole social media hype and political correctness is screwing up the World. Wrong is still wrong, right is still right. Unfortunately you are in the majority that believes political correctness to be fact, the President of the USA is in the same crowd as you... And he not right either.

 

[Alexandro Faria]

Alexandro if I'm reading you right, you keep saying that if the mob says it is so, it is so. Don't you see that just because it may be the popular opinion or how the majority sees something, that does not mean it is right!

Right is right, wrong is wrong, no matter how many uninformed or wrongly informed people say otherwise... Mob rule is how lynch mobs are formed and innocent people get hurt or killed... Getting a mob worked up into a frenzy is how people like Hitler came to power.

This whole social media hype and political correctness is screwing up the World. Wrong is still wrong, right is still right. Unfortunately you are in the majority that believes political correctness to be fact, the President of the USA is in the same crowd as you... And he not right either.

If you knew anything about me at all, you'd know that I'm nothing like what you have concluded. I speak of the majority because I am a realist: we live in a world where the views of the majority dictate right and wrong. Do I agree with it? No. But just because I am against it, doesn't mean that it isn't so. Do I believe that the 1st world takes advantage of the 3rd world? Yes. But that is due to evidence I have gathered over time in both my personal experience and from an academic sense. So no, dearest individual, I do not believe in being pc, hence why I didn't hesitate to call our dentist friend an ass. I have no care for the US president, none whatsoever. I'm am neither liberal nor Republican because frankly I'm not American and care nothing for their political views or social goingson. USA is by no means the centre of the world, although the world may like to think so. Let me be frank, and sum this up for everyone that doesn't seem to be able to grasp what I'm saying:
1) Killing for a trophy in a foreign country is worlds apart from killing a big cat in order to protect your livelihood. In the one instance, you pay to kill an animal for personal gain, in the other you are killing an animal in order to defend your family and your wellbeing.
2) I do not agree with mob culture, I never have. But I'd be foolish to deny that the world, now more than ever, is leaning towards right and wrong being dictated by public opinion. We live in a democracy with social media filling the the gaps created by boarders.
3) The 1st world takes advantage of the 3rd world in various ways. It's almost like an unhealthy relationshiop. However, both parties buy into this contract, so blame is shared equally .
4) I'm a passionate hunter, but that does not mean I follow blindly. I support trophy hunting and I myself have various heads in my house.
5) I refuse to bow to public pressure on this, when no one can provide me with logical reasoning as to why a man, native to the area, should receive the same criticism for killing a lion for protection purposes as a man who flew thousands of kms to a land that isn't his to kill a lion for the purpose of sport. It's not the same thing and it's by no means comparable.

 

[Alexandro Faria]

Alexandro if I'm reading you right, you keep saying that if the mob says it is so, it is so. Don't you see that just because it may be the popular opinion or how the majority sees something, that does not mean it is right!

Right is right, wrong is wrong, no matter how many uninformed or wrongly informed people say otherwise... Mob rule is how lynch mobs are formed and innocent people get hurt or killed... Getting a mob worked up into a frenzy is how people like Hitler came to power.

This whole social media hype and political correctness is screwing up the World. Wrong is still wrong, right is still right. Unfortunately you are in the majority that believes political correctness to be fact, the President of the USA is in the same crowd as you... And he not right either.

Lastly, who are you or I to decide what is right or wrong? Sure, I don't agree with how he was treated, but he is a part of that cultural system and must take the consequences of his community. He behaved in a way that suggested ge was guilty and he was taken to the cleaners. If you ask the natives that killed the lion, I can almost guarantee that they would have no guilt whatsoever.

 

[Jimnwise]

@Alexandro Faria

The issue when it's a rich, white american is that people feel the western world takes advantage of African and other third world countries. And to a point, they're completely right. These people were defending their livelihood, the dentist was just an ass flying across a big to to see "AFRICA" and take a few trophies in the name of conservation... I'm sorry guys, but there's a big difference there.

You have certainly broken the civil discourse that is usual here. That statement is blatantly xenophobic and racist. Hate much?

 

[BRICKBURN]

I am starting to note some cultural differences....
This is an international forum and not everyone uses English as a first language.... so?


Before we have name calling going on or or

 

[Alexandro Faria]

No racism or xenophobia. That is your own prejudice. In short, all I'm saying is that this isn't as simple as it seems. It's not racist if it's coming from the same racial group. But any way, this is leading no where and I'd rather leave it now than end up fighting with someone unnecessarily. God bless

 

[BRICKBURN]

It is very complicated.

This thread was more about my frustration with the apparent hypocracy of the ignorant "do gooder" "greenies" that will bitch about one lion being killed by one persons bullet versus a Lion from the same population being killed by another bullet.

American Dentist or African Farmer - the lions are dead.
There is no outcry for this poor dead named Lion - "Frisk"

Apparently motivation for killing a Lion matters more than the actual result for Lions. As far as Conservation is concerned one Lion paid its way and the other was wasted (along with countless others)

Perhaps if Hwange were better managed (Elephant population) there would be some under growth for the game that would support the Lions. As it is they have nothing to eat and they have to head out of the park and eat the local livestock. Not a shock.

The conflict will continue and the "greenies" will continue to vilify the hunters out of ignorance.

Lions are being killed daily by poison, snares and PAC needs.

These methods are significantly more destructive to Wildlife Conservation than any hunter could possible do.

 

[cpr0312]

Well said Brickburn

 

[Alexandro Faria]

@BRICK, people of all walks of like will continue to form opinions on misinformation, it seems to be human nature. They (greenies) are incapable of seeing the damage they cause. They don't understand the importance of hunting in a social or economic stance. Directly and indirectly. Management is a big part to play. But we need to make people aware of the consequences of banning hunting. So we as hunters NEED to have those "futile" discussions with others and among ourselves.

 

[BRICKBURN]

My hero!

 

[BRICKBURN]

Gin Trap or Bullet?

PAC for a Cow

Trophy Hunt

 

[enysse]

I was not trying to start a fight. But as a hunter, I have a HUGE problem with people poisoning or killing lions just because they are there, possibly causing a problem on property. They are killed and the whole world could care less. But if an white American goes to Africa and kills one it's a crime.
It seem all of the United States has determined elephants and lions should not be hunted by public opinions.....................

 

[TallGrassHunter]

The issue when it's a rich, white american is that people feel the western world takes advantage of African and other third world countries. And to a point, they're completely right. These people were defending their livelihood, the dentist was just an ass flying across a big to to see "AFRICA" and take a few trophies in the name of conservation... I'm sorry guys, but there's a big difference there.

Completely right. That's a rather telling use of the language.
I'm having trouble aligning my perspective that the indiscriminate snaring or poisoning lions is a noble endeavor, yet producing a similar, limited result (one dead lion) while infusing a substantial amount of cash to the local economy, employing a dozen or so locals, and more than likely providing substance to those same local villagers is taking advantage and makes a person "wrong".

Could you explain this to me? Is it because the hunter is American, or because the hunter had a bank balance, or because the hunter is white?

It's not very polite to say so, but you certainly come off a pompous, ill-informed ass. Are you always like this or have you been saving yourself up for the occasion?

 

[Alexandro Faria]

Completely right. That's a rather telling use of the language.
I'm having trouble aligning my perspective that the indiscriminate snaring or poisoning lions is a noble endeavor, yet producing a similar, limited result (one dead lion) while infusing a substantial amount of cash to the local economy, employing a dozen or so locals, and more than likely providing substance to those same local villagers is taking advantage and makes a person "wrong".

Could you explain this to me? Is it because the hunter is American, or because the hunter had a bank balance, or because the hunter is white?

It's not very polite to say so, but you certainly come off a pompous, ill-informed ass. Are you always like this or have you been saving yourself up for the occasion?

Please note that I'm refraining from providing you with a full answer in an attempt to remain civil. Have a good evening!

 

[AfricaHunting.com]

Let's all refrain from calling anyone names. Lets keep this conversation on topic as it is an important topic. Let's try to remember that greater and deeper discussion of the issues can be had if we remain courteous and try to express ourselves and hear what others think without allowing our emotions to get the better of us and resort to lower sorts of discourse. We are all ultimately on the same side.

 

[siml]

Sorry Alexandro, but it seems you like to hide behind a skirt,

 

[BRICKBURN]

Sorry Alexandro, but it seems you like to hide behind a skirt,

I guess you missed Jerome's post!