Animal you wouldn't hunt

People seem to have all sorts of animals they wouldn't hunt. I'm a bit surprised, but I'm also fine with that - you don't have to hunt anything if you don't want to - but I worry a bit with the arguments being made elsewhere against hunting one animal or another that we will create, or support the creation, of, a hierarchy of animals, some of which can be hunted and some of which cannot be.

This is a position taken by far too many people who don't think they - or - and here comes the problem - anyone else - should kill certain animals. Usually because they are too cute, or too iconic, or they were in a Walt Disney movie. I haven't heard or seen that here, but it's not a great leap from some of our arguments to that argument.

I have noted some say they are fine with others doing whatever they won't do. On my first trip to Africa, I knew I couldn't shoot elephants, lions, giraffes, and probably a couple of other animals I didn't yet know existed. But I started thinking - if I believe it is morally right or at least permissible to take the life of an animal, then how can I differentiate among animals? How can I argue, or believe, that some animals have a right to life, while others don't? I spent quite a bit of time thinking about this, and even had a conversation with my parish priest, if you can believe it, and eventually came to the conclusion that in order to be morally correct, I had to take the position that an animal was an animal was an animal. An elephant had no more right to life than a honey badger. That doesn't mean I have to hunt an elephant, but it does mean I have to be OK with the hunting of elephants (subject to CITES).

Let me be real clear. This is not the same as saying "I don't want to shoot that animal, just because I don't want to". Like I said, you don't have to kill any animals. But your reasons matter. Likewise, when it is said that I will only kill that which I can eat, that's a fine position to take, and I have no argument with it. I don't like eating fish, so I don't go fishing - but I have no problem with people killing even the most magnificent fish.

Anyway, with that long-winded introduction, let me say I will kill any animal so long as it isn't endangered, and then I'm OK if I have a CITES permit (I took a scimitar horned oryx on that basis).

And let me also add, since it's come up:

1. If you think hunting giraffes is easy, I suggest you give it a try - where they are free ranging. While you might get lucky, you might also wear out some shoes.

2. Ostriches are nasty things, and they aren't easy to hunt either. I've had long stalks busted by ostriches, and been charged by one crazy one. Any ostrich, any day, anywhere. By the way, the leather makes great anything you want, and the meat is actually healthy.

3. Cheetah. A beautiful cat, but so are leopard and lion. I've hunted all three, and the cheetah is by far harder than leopard or lion.

4. Elephants. One of the best hunts there is. I wish it was more affordable. This will test your commitment to killing animals in a way that zebra won't.

5. Zebra. At least one, and more likely more, on every safari. A challenge to hunt, and shot placement is important. A tough animal.

So there you have it. I'm OK with any animal so long as it's legal!
Here here! While I certainly don't expect people to share my opinion on what they should or shouldn't shoot, i think it's important people keep everything in perspective. Saying certain things shouldn't be hunted because of this or that is a scary door that doesn't need to be opened. This all considering the hunt is done legally. I have no use for poachers and believe they themselves should be shot. If one doesn't want to hunt a particular animal for what ever reason Im good with that and won't pressure them to but if someone gives me grief for legally hunting an animal we'll get crossways real quick as I feel it is absolutely my right to do so if I choose.
 
There is room for all God's creatures ........ right next to the mashed potatoes and gravey . Not sure if there is anything I would not hunt .... Rember being 6 or 7 and trying to hunt grasshoppers and bugs with my BB gun ...birds with the pellet gun ..... ground hogs with the .22 ....climaxing with an array of game animals in Africa . The only 1 I could honestly not see me shooting was a dik dik . As it was the 1 st animal that I had oppurtunity with , it seemed to easy and with a 1500 usd trophey fee ...I thought my money would be better well spent on a Kudu , Gemsbok , Wildebeest ect. Hind sight being 20 /20 now wish had of . So as has been said "if it is legal " I'll give it a shot ........ Any body wanna try Vancouver Bull in Hawaii LOL !
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no wonder there isn't any feral cats there
 
The far vast majority of all animals will leave you/me in the dust. Especially if shot at. That goes for a dog or house cat as well. I had 5 or 6 stand in front of me for an hour when I was there. And drove right past 3 more on another day. So no that really would not be much of a hunt for me.

Hence why I added free range and on foot. You can drive up to most game and shoot it. Never much of a hunt. Head over to Ozondjahe and give it a whirl my way. You'll be hunting.
 
I thought, I'd never hear that comment. Oh well. I have heard people say roan are ugly too.

It's those damned ears man. They are goofy looking.
 
If it were a legal hunt, and it's not, I still could not bring myself to hunt a Panda! To me they are just too nice to even think of it!
 
Agree with you Silence, Cheetah is a animal that I keep "holy" but Leopard is something ells, that's a bit strange....

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This is turning into a very interesting thread!

Can any of the Texas guys, or anyone else in the know, fill us in on the history of the scimitar horned oryx? I only know enough to be dangerous but seems I recall them being near extinct in their endemic range.. and thus TX having the largest population but I believe all or the majority is privately owned, mostly as a business investment for hunting. ?

AND wasn't there some legislation making it difficult to hunt them, and ultimately caused a drastic reduction in the population???

Similarly, are there not many various species, deer and others, that are now longer present in their native areas, or extremely low numbers, but in very good huntable populations in other parts of the World? Sambar, Chinese wter deer, etc?

Hasn't the reality proven that the only reason these species exist yet in any sustainable numbers, because they are hunted?
 
@ActionBob Hey Bob. I actually wrote a college paper over that subject. The first scimitar were brought to Texas in the early 70's from Chad. At the time there were common there until the civil war in Chad broke out and most of them were wiped out then. 11 were kept under protection in Chad and a few came to Texas. I believe 11 if memory serves. From that the herd totaled around 12000 in 2012 in Texas until the legislation was passed almost completely shutting down hunting of them as well as the addax and Dama gazelle. The scimitar herd plummeted with only about 5-7 thousand remaining by 2014 as there was no linger an economic insentive to keep them with huge support from SCI and DSC the legislation was over turned with the passage of the 2015 omnibus act. Herd numbers has been steadily rising and are pushing back close to where they were prior to the ban. Texas has the largest herd of scimitar, addax, and Dama gazelle (the tree amigos) on the planet. That's a cliff notes version but I hope it answered your question.
 
As far as the last of your points are concerned 1) people aren't educated enough on that and some refuse to see the truth glaring them in the face. 2) the antis do everything in their power to discredit that and lie to discredit the actual facts.
 
Thanks Erik!

Now the next part of my point... Several guys pointed out several animals they would not hunt for a variety of reasons. I fully respect all of that, to each his own.

But to the above points, especially the scimitar horned oryx.... I'm told there are about 22, 000 white rhinos privately owned in RSA. And some wispers are that there are actually a lot more than that. Of course their locations are kept quite for obvious reasons. And of course they are not the same as scimitar horned oryx because of the constant poaching threat... But what is similar is why these people own them are for similar reasons. I'm sure there is the nostalgia, even honor, certainly a cool factor in owning these iconic animals and just having them around and seeing them regularly. However it comes at a cost, a huge cost, and ultimately that cost needs to be paid for somehow.

I don't intend to get into a debate over legalization of the horn trade, as obviously that could offer an income stream... But this is a hunting (or not hunting as the case may be) thread on a hunting site.

So tell me what could be the logic for NOT hunting an old rhino that is no longer breeding and thus will never further procreate the species? However by selling this critter for a hunt, it can generate funds to continue to maintain the rest of whatever resident herd the property may have. Likewise, any population will typically have more males than needed to cover the breeding needs for the resident female population. So there is another population of huntable younger males that are not needed to maintain a solid breeding population. And in fact, from what I read at least, too many males in a herd of rhinos are detrimental to the population as they fight and cause some incedental death of females and young.

So even with rhinos being as threatened as they are, hunting may be a very important part of maintaining the World's population of them. Even though most hunters will never hunt a rhino, I sincerely hope all hunters can understand the logic and support hunting, even of rhinos, as an extremely important management tool and vital source of revenue.

The rhino is probably the most visable and well known species to have this discussion on, but the same logic should apply to most if not all huntable species.
 
Bob you hit the nail on the head and drove it through the board. I couldn't agree more. Very well stated sir!
 

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