American Hunter Killed in Uganda

[Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy]

@WAB brings up a good point about helping people, I know people have posted links to gofundme.com before and curious is there is a likewise collection point/system that's active?

Also I know DSC has the Front Line Foundation

DSC Frontline Foundation –

www.dscfrontlinefoundation.org

Do we know if anyone has initiated a report/claim?.... The PH's family may not even know this exists.

Great suggestion @deewayne2003

DSC Frontline Foundation is the best option to support the injured PH and family. This is what it was created for.

I reached out to some friends that are involved in the DSCFF. They are aware and reviewing. Mini and family are likely already aware of DSCFF as his safari outfit has worked closely with DSC in the past. DSCFF reaches out to folks either way. Love that they are proactive when tragedy strikes.

 

[PARA45]

I've read every one of the posts on this threat, and it amazes me how so many on this forum are so insensitive to what happened here. One US hunter is dead, and one fine PH is injured, and all you can do is speculate on what happened. It's easy to ASSume and play chair quarterback from the comfort of your desk or phone. If that is what you want to do, start another thread and respect the fact that this is tragic, and families are grieving.

 

[Wahoo]

I've read every one of the posts on this threat, and it amazes me how so many on this forum are so insensitive to what happened here. One US hunter is dead, and one fine PH is injured, and all you can do is speculate on what happened. It's easy to ASSume and play chair quarterback from the comfort of your desk or phone. If that is what you want to do, start another thread and respect the fact that this is tragic, and families are grieving.

Agreed and well said.

It’s honestly embarrassing and a pretty sad insight into some members. Imagine one of our children or family members reading all this had this tragedy struck our families.

I take no issue learning from mistakes of myself and others, particularly if it keeps someone safer. I encourage it. However there is a way to achieve that with some dignity, respect, and grace toward those involved as opposed for feeding our own selfish needs to be “right” or “ the smartest guy in the room”.

I’d also add please remember that this is a public forum and likely when we discuss individuals by name repeatedly out in the ether of the inter web it ends up being at the very top of any searches for that name. Just a thought that occurred to me.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Perhaps I am a bit sensitive about bogus cause of death reports. For fifteen years I've been fighting a govt coroner who specified a ridiculous act of God cause of death to cover up for a govt doctor and hospital who failed to treat my son. How ridiculous? Three previous generations of consistent epilepsy including one fatality. Four seizures in the month before he died. No family history of heart issues and my son had no history of cardiac symptoms. But somehow he died in the night of a heart attack. No forensic evidence of cardiac failure but definite evidence was found of a seizure (edema of the brain). Doesn't make any difference. Abracadabra, he died of heart failure. They can put it in the report and make it reality.

Now we have another official report that appears to me engineered to cast doubts of blame "on one of our own" who paid the ultimate price. The client supposedly had some odd fixation with completely disassembling his rifle every night. Why is that important to a hunting accident report? And then the following day after wounding a buffalo (the obvious implication being the shot was placed poorly), the client is killed and PH (if he was the PH?) is wounded very seriously. The PH? is heroically able to get up off the ground with a collapsed lung and ruptured diaphragm, find his gun, and fire it a third and final time to put buffalo down. Then the client's gun is found in an impossible condition with the bolt shroud separated from the rifle. The report also states the client was a seventy-eight year-old guy with a pacemaker. Now why would they even put that in the report? To make us question whether he belonged out there hunting buffalo in the first place. So maybe he had a heart attack during the charge (the report says he was gored in the leg). Maybe he couldn't shoot the gun during the charge because he reassembled it incorrectly. I don't believe the client's gun could lose its shroud after successfully firing a shot. That is a physical impossibility with any gun I've ever seen. Therefore, I don't believe he did take it apart the night before. I suspect both his strange habit of nightly disassembling it and the gun coming apart were added to the report, like the bit about the client's age and implied poor health, to put more than usual amount of blame on the client. And to deflect it from others.

And I can tell you if this gentleman had OCD, as the report implies, his rifle would NOT have been reassembled incorrectly. No more than he would have been capable of sitting down to a table with the fork on the wrong side of his plate. OCD would not have allowed him to put his gun away reassembled incorrectly.

 

[dchum]

Perhaps I am a bit sensitive about bogus cause of death reports. For fifteen years I've been fighting a govt coroner who specified a ridiculous act of God cause of death to cover up for a govt doctor and hospital who failed to treat my son. How ridiculous? Three previous generations of consistent epilepsy including one fatality. Four seizures in the month before he died. No family history of heart issues and my son had no history of cardiac symptoms. But somehow he died in the night of a heart attack. No forensic evidence of cardiac failure but definite evidence was found of a seizure (edema of the brain). Doesn't make any difference. Abracadabra, he died of heart failure. They can put it in the report and make it reality.

Now we have another official report that appears to me engineered to cast doubts of blame "on one of our own" who paid the ultimate price. The client supposedly had some odd fixation with completely disassembling his rifle every night. Why is that important to a hunting accident report? And then the following day after wounding a buffalo (the obvious implication being the shot was placed poorly), the client is killed and PH (if he was the PH?) is wounded very seriously. The PH? is heroically able to get up off the ground with a collapsed lung and ruptured diaphragm, find his gun, and fire it a third and final time to put buffalo down. Then the client's gun is found in an impossible condition with the bolt shroud separated from the rifle. The report also states the client was a seventy-eight year-old guy with a pacemaker. Now why would they even put that in the report? To make us question whether he belonged out there hunting buffalo in the first place. So maybe he had a heart attack during the charge (the report says he was gored in the leg). Maybe he couldn't shoot the gun during the charge because he reassembled it incorrectly. I don't believe the client's gun could lose its shroud after successfully firing a shot. That is a physical impossibility with any gun I've ever seen. Therefore, I don't believe he did take it apart the night before. I suspect both his strange habit of nightly disassembling it and the gun coming apart were added to the report, like the bit about the client's age and implied poor health, to put more than usual amount of blame on the client. And to deflect it from others.

And I can tell you if this gentleman had OCD, as the report implies, his rifle would NOT have been reassembled incorrectly. No more than he would have been capable of sitting down to a table with the fork on the wrong side of his plate. OCD would not have allowed him to put his gun away reassembled incorrectly.

You are a miserable old man

 

[JES Adventures]

My condolences to family of Mr. Cox.

Wishing Mr. Trappe a speedy recovery.

 

[Wahoo]

Perhaps I am a bit sensitive about bogus cause of death reports. For fifteen years I've been fighting a govt coroner who specified a ridiculous act of God cause of death to cover up for a govt doctor and hospital who failed to treat my son. How ridiculous? Three previous generations of consistent epilepsy including one fatality. Four seizures in the month before he died. No family history of heart issues and my son had no history of cardiac symptoms. But somehow he died in the night of a heart attack. No forensic evidence of cardiac failure but definite evidence was found of a seizure (edema of the brain). Doesn't make any difference. Abracadabra, he died of heart failure. They can put it in the report and make it reality.

Now we have another official report that appears to me engineered to cast doubts of blame "on one of our own" who paid the ultimate price. The client supposedly had some odd fixation with completely disassembling his rifle every night. Why is that important to a hunting accident report? And then the following day after wounding a buffalo (the obvious implication being the shot was placed poorly), the client is killed and PH (if he was the PH?) is wounded very seriously. The PH? is heroically able to get up off the ground with a collapsed lung and ruptured diaphragm, find his gun, and fire it a third and final time to put buffalo down. Then the client's gun is found in an impossible condition with the bolt shroud separated from the rifle. The report also states the client was a seventy-eight year-old guy with a pacemaker. Now why would they even put that in the report? To make us question whether he belonged out there hunting buffalo in the first place. So maybe he had a heart attack during the charge (the report says he was gored in the leg). Maybe he couldn't shoot the gun during the charge because he reassembled it incorrectly. I don't believe the client's gun could lose its shroud after successfully firing a shot. That is a physical impossibility with any gun I've ever seen. Therefore, I don't believe he did take it apart the night before. I suspect both his strange habit of nightly disassembling it and the gun coming apart were added to the report, like the bit about the client's age and implied poor health, to put more than usual amount of blame on the client. And to deflect it from others.

And I can tell you if this gentleman had OCD, as the report implies, his rifle would NOT have been reassembled incorrectly. No more than he would have been capable of sitting down to a table with the fork on the wrong side of his plate. OCD would not have allowed him to put his gun away reassembled incorrectly.

I’d suggest that this thread which was started as a sympathetic notification to the big game hunting fraternity here on AH is not the place to delve into conspiracy theories and blame. Perhaps there are other members, likeminded members, that would enjoy that sort of thread- I’d encourage you to start it as a stand alone anonymous topic.

This reported event has absolutely nothing to do with you or your family, directly or indirectly. You were not there and have zero knowledge of the situation. For that matter it has absolutely nothing to do with me or my family, directly or indirectly either. Please do not try to invalidate and lessen the tragedy reported by making it about yourself. It is not.

I’m not insensitive to your family’s struggles and genuinely am sorry for any tragedies that befell you and yours. Those awful experiences you’ve endured have absolutely nothing to do with this unfortunate report shared with our community. Please do not be insensitive to another’s tragedy.

A man is not coming home. Another family is out there experiencing tragedy as we all type on AH. They deserve our respect, support, and consideration as hunters and humans exactly as we all , yourself included, would deserve if we found ourselves in that situation. I hope you can reflect on this and find a way to understand putting yourself in their shoes for the time being. Based on your previous comments of things you’ve endured I’d think you would be more equipped than many of us to empathize.

Please try and do not just “pffft” and ignore this.

 

[Wahoo]

I’d suggest that this thread which was started as a sympathetic notification to the big game hunting fraternity here on AH is not the place to delve into conspiracy theories and blame. Perhaps there are other members, likeminded members, that would enjoy that sort of thread- I’d encourage you to start it as a stand alone anonymous topic.

This reported event has absolutely nothing to do with you or your family, directly or indirectly. You were not there and have zero knowledge of the situation. For that matter it has absolutely nothing to do with me or my family, directly or indirectly either. Please do not try to invalidate and lessen the tragedy reported by making it about yourself. It is not.

I’m not insensitive to your family’s struggles and genuinely am sorry for any tragedies that befell you and yours. Those awful experiences you’ve endured have absolutely nothing to do with this unfortunate report shared with our community. Please do not be insensitive to another’s tragedy.

A man is not coming home. Another family is out there experiencing tragedy as we all type on AH. They deserve our respect, support, and consideration as hunters and humans exactly as we all , yourself included, would deserve if we found ourselves in that situation. I hope you can reflect on this and find a way to understand putting yourself in their shoes for the time being. Based on your previous comments of things you’ve endured I’d think you would be more equipped than many of us to empathize.

Please try and do not just “pffft” and ignore this.

@BRICKBURN

As I think further, perhaps out of respect to those involved this thread should be locked/finished.

I respectfully submit the above thought for consideration by a moderator.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

I’d suggest that this thread which was started as a sympathetic notification to the big game hunting fraternity here on AH is not the place to delve into conspiracy theories and blame. Perhaps there are other members, likeminded members, that would enjoy that sort of thread- I’d encourage you to start it as a stand alone anonymous topic.

This reported event has absolutely nothing to do with you or your family, directly or indirectly. You were not there and have zero knowledge of the situation. For that matter it has absolutely nothing to do with me or my family, directly or indirectly either. Please do not try to invalidate and lessen the tragedy reported by making it about yourself. It is not.

I’m not insensitive to your family’s struggles and genuinely am sorry for any tragedies that befell you and yours. Those awful experiences you’ve endured have absolutely nothing to do with this unfortunate report shared with our community. Please do not be insensitive to another’s tragedy.

A man is not coming home. Another family is out there experiencing tragedy as we all type on AH. They deserve our respect, support, and consideration as hunters and humans exactly as we all , yourself included, would deserve if we found ourselves in that situation. I hope you can reflect on this and find a way to understand putting yourself in their shoes for the time being. Based on your previous comments of things you’ve endured I’d think you would be more equipped than many of us to empathize.

Please try and do not just “pffft” and ignore this.

This thread was started with an official govt report. That seemed to be the theme. Commenting on the quality and reliability of the report would seem to be in keeping with the original theme. Doing a thoughtful examination of the facts as reported in no way detracts from the tragedy or individuals involved. Perhaps those who submitted this report for public scrutiny might not like the result. Perhaps they would like to see the thread locked and muzzled? There are questions about this report that should be of concern to all of us, especially the families involved. I really don't see how scrutinizing the report in any way is disrespectful to them.

 

[BJH65]

My thoughts and prayers go to the Frank Cox family and a speedy recovery to Mr. Trappe so he can return to the bush once more in pursuit of African game. I understand based on the information provided why this would inevitably create speculation but feel that later, when Mr. Trappe has sufficiently recovered enough and when ready, he can provide a more detailed firsthand account.

Until then I shall not speculate other than a reminder to do our very best in making an accurate first shot and and let us not redirect anger towards perceived inappropriate comments but remain focused on praying for the families involved and a speedy recovery for Mr. Trappe.

 

[cajunchefray]

It’s a sad fact that a PH is financially forced to hunt with unqualified DG hunters.

I've never thought about the client PH relationship in these terms.
It is sobering in preparation for DG hunting.

RIP to the hunter, prayers for grief of his family, and speedy recovery for the PH.

 

[Wiley64]

What a sad deal, UWS has been on my bucket list of operators to hunt with.. that Uganda Nile buffalo hunt looks like a ball. Thoughts and prayers for the loved ones and the ph. Respect to the hunter as well, what a way to go.

 

[lhook7]

Deepest condolences to all involved.