American Hunter Killed in Uganda

A man is dead and a prominent young PH with a family is in the hospital. And all @Ontario Hunter can do is talk about himself.

It’s truly remarkable how out of touch his is.
I hit ignore on him at the beginning of the year and my Africa Hunting experience has been better because of it.

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I don't believe the official report and consequently I don't see how we can learn much from this tragedy. It is virtually impossible for any rifle I've ever seen to successfully fire a round and then moments later fail to fire and somehow lose its bolt shroud and striker. A buffalo could dance for a half hour on my 404 Mauser and the shroud would never come off the bolt if I'd just put a bullet in him with the gun. I don't believe Mr Cox was shooting a Gunwerks rifle or similar mutant. Watching the company's promotional video I don't see a detachable shroud, only a striker unit. If the bolt somehow became disembowelled, there would only be one piece laying on the ground, not two as described in the report. I'm not sure Gunwerks even has a shroud. Clearly, someone failed to reassemble the bolt properly. If it was a Mauser or CRF clone with 3-position safety, which seems the most likely candidate, and the bolt was reassembled on safety position 2 (necessary for reassembly) without threading the shroud onto the bolt, the rifle could still be loaded without knowing the bolt assembly was inoperable. The safety could then be fully engaged to lock the bolt, again without any indication the shroud was not properly threaded and the rifle inoperable. Mr Cox could have carried his rifle this way for hours without knowing it could not be fired. At this point the story goes awry. The quarry is spotted and stalked to shooting distance which as we all know is typically VERY close. Supposedly Mr Cox then gets on the sticks and wounds the bull. Sorry, but that just didn't happen. It could not happen. Not with a rifle that had a bolt shroud that was essentially detached. My theory is the client attempted to fire and the shroud became fully detached when the safety was disengaged. Perhaps the client had instructed PH he would only pay for a buff that he personally killed. The PH is exclaiming "Shoot! Shoot!" Confused client utters all kinds of expletives and frantically recycles the action thinking he had a dud round. PH holds off shooting because he hears and/or sees the client successfully reload (detached shroud would not interfere with cycling). The racket unnerved the buffalo and it charged. After client reloads twice and fails to fire, the PH finally shoots but not in time to put the bull down before it's on them. Unknown what the armed soldier was doing through this. I think I can guess. Bull clobbers the client and the detached shroud and striker slide out of the bolt. I would bet money that buffalo has three slugs in it ... all from the PH's rifle.

Why was the gun not reassembled properly? It is hard for me to believe anyone in command of his faculties who repeatedly disassembles his rifle every night as the report claims, would somehow fail to reattach the bolt shroud properly. There again the story becomes unbelievable. I wonder if we will ever know what actually happened.
4 slugs not 3.......
 
A man is dead and a prominent young PH with a family is in the hospital. And all @Ontario Hunter can do is talk about himself.

It’s truly remarkable how out of touch he is.
He’s only been getting warmed up about that 404J and bolt shroud. And songs are written about these epic post
 
4 slugs not 3.......
That's what is implied in the official report. They're also reporting the client shot the buffalo first and wounded it with a rifle that would have been inoperable. The report also says the PH shot it three times, the last shot being after he found his rifle while nearly fataly wounded with a ruptured diaphragm and collapsed lung. The first shot at the buffalo by client was not possible with a gun that had a detached bolt shroud. Therefore 4 - 1 = 3.

Another possible scenario: The client's gun was operational and he did wound the buffalo with the first shot. On followup the PH was unable to stop the charging bull before it hit them. It happens. The story about the shroud laying on the ground was fabricated to put this partly if not entirely on the client. Shooting buffalo, or anything else, with a gun that has detached shroud does not happen.
 
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That's what is implied in the official report. And they're also reporting the client shot the buffalo first first and wounded it with a rifle that would have been inoperable. The report also says the PH shot it three times, the last shot being after he found his rifle while nearly fataly wounded with a ruptured diaphragm and collapsed lung. The first shot at the buffalo by client was not possible with a gun that had a detached bolt shroud. Therefore 4 - 1 = 3.
I guess I keep on rambling
I'm gonna, yeah, yeah, yeah
Sing my song (I gotta find my 404j )
I gotta ramble on, sing my song
Gotta work my way around the world baby, baby
Ramble on, yeah
Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, my baby
Doo, doo, doo, doo
Doodoo doodoo doodoo doodoo doodoo
 
Prayers to all involved
 
How did that gun ever fire in the first place if the shroud wasn't screwed in? Something really doesn't make sense with that story.

Okay, I pulled out my 98 Mauser to see if I could replicate what happened. Didn't think it was possible. I was wrong. Maybe. Here's what happened, almost certainly. Someone was reassembling the bolt the night before and only started screwing on the bolt shroud when distracted (drunk?). The bolt can be closed with safety in position two and shroud only just started to thread onto the bolt. The firing pin was not released to store it overnight (not uncommon). Had it been released,, the error would have been discovered (shroud would come off the bolt). Mr Cox loaded the gun next day while safety still in position two (which position is required to reassemble the bolt). Then he pushed safety back to full safe for the stalk (so bolt is locked). But when the safety was disengaged, the striker was released and the gun fired prematurely, probably causing poor location of shot and wounding the buffalo. This "could have" happened because disengaging the safety not only releases the striker, it also causes the barely attached shroud to come off the bolt. The possible problems with this theory are 1) if the shroud comes loose from the bolt would the firing pin have enough energy to dent the primer sufficient to detonate? The striker spring jumps backwards so there would be little forward energy applied to firing pin. And 2) would the firing pin even reach the primer? I am tempted to load an empty case with just a primer and test my hypothesis. But I live in town so testing with detonating primers is not a good idea. As soon as Mr Cox attempted to cycle a followup shot the striker and shroud probably fell out of the gun. But maybe not. That I can test without alarming my neighbors. Let's see ... no, the striker, spring, and shroud almost certainly stayed with the bolt but unattached. So unless he deliberately looked at the gun when reloading (unlikely) he would be unaware the shroud was dangling loose and inoperable when he got on the sticks for the kill shot. The buffalo knocked the loose shroud and striker out of the gun and they became separated on the ground because they were no longer threaded together ... because they were barely threaded when the bolt was reassembled.

The question that is paramount to the official investigation is was Mr Cox hunting with his own gun? His family can answer that question. If not, then I think the blame belongs elsewhere. No outfitter would allow a client to completely disassemble a camp rifle. That would be delegated to an employee. Or it SHOULD be delegated to staff.
Excellent analysis.
 
I will keep all those involved in my prayers tragic situation.
 
We don’t seem to know what kind of rifle the client was using. Some bolts are designed for easy disassembly and re-assembly in the field (quite important if you get underwater!) while others are most certainly not. I would agree that daily habitual disassembly is generally unwarranted. I would like to learn more details before commenting further.
 
Great minds, with a similar outcome.
Yes, finding that 'ignore' button (under their name/avatar) and applying it to him was the difference between me staying and leaving this forum
 
I have never seen an individual more contrary and uppity than @Ontario Hunter. He is the self-proclaimed expert on anything he pontificates and is the smartest man in the room anywhere he goes. It must be a burden to be that all knowing......but who are we to question his vast knowledge as we are but mere mortals.
 
I enjoy watching “Untamed productions” and “This is Africa” on YouTube. I learn a lot from the DG hunts filmed. Basically a filmed AAR

The defects I see most often are(

walking like a pregnant Yak

Taking too long to shoot

Not immediately being prepared for a quick follow up. Many stand there in shock and need to be told to reload.

It’s apparent they are not practiced with the weapon.

It’s a sad fact that a PH is financially forced to hunt with unqualified DG hunters.
I will not speculate on the causes of this sad incident. It does hit home since I have a buff on my list for this year. It is unfortunate that a PH is compelled to hunt with many inexperienced hunters. Even one safari gains a hunter years of comparable North American big game hunting experience. Seeing the African animals and how they respond to human contact is revealing and highly educational. That is why I went on a "Practice Safari" last year for PG just to learn the ropes and to get familiar with my PH and he with me. It was well worth the trip.

I too like to watch videos and read hunt reports as a mean of gaining some lessons learned from others. I do cringe sometimes at the level of unprepared hunters out there. I watched a hunter miss a buffalo three times at 20y with a 600NE double rifle. Why? He was in love with the idea of killing a buff up close with a big double but could not accept the fact that for him the 600NE was too much recoil. In my opinion, he was lifting his head in anticipation of the punishing recoil of that beast and was shooting high, well over the bull in his sights. He did finally wound the animal as it ran away, ugggh. And later with help from his PH, they managed to kill the animal. Not a good look.

Despite my best efforts, I did make a number of rookie mistakes on my trip. The most egregious being me failing to chamber a round on a Gemsbok leading to the dreaded "Click" when I pulled the trigger. Some more shy animals like Kudu may only grant you about 3 seconds to mount the sticks, aim and fire from the time they make eye contact with you. So, how you carry your rifle and how you aim and fire is something well worth practice. I like to squirrel hunt with a rimfire rifle off sticks and a grey squirrel is a great practice animal for Safari. You learn to be quick and decisive and aim fast.

I carry using the Rhodesian carry with rifle slung muzzle down on the weak side shoulder. This enables me to mount the sticks in one smooth, fast motion and be aiming down range in about 1.5seconds. It is safe and easy to learn and beats the hell out of the African carry or most others.

I like to aim fast but shoot slow. Once on the sticks and having the animal in the crosshairs, I will take my time squeezing the trigger in effort to make the first shot decisive. It works. As for dust and cleaning the rifle every day? That is partly why the old CRF Mauser design is so popular in Africa. It is reliable even with dust and dirt in the action and will function with a minimum amount of service in the field. Push feed actions little ejector plunger can and does get fouled with dust. But if you feel compelled to strip the rifle, then take the time to go back to the test range with the PH the next day to confirm the function prior to hunting with it. I remove all of the oil from my action when hunting in dusty environments. I will wipe it down including the bolts but never disassemble the bolt while on a hunt unless something is broken. If your rifle is that finicky, then find a different rifle IMO.

Being emotionally prepared to decisively take the shot and quickly reload for a followup is important. And if the beast is still on its feet, take a 2nd or 3rd shot if needed. Don't stand there with your teeth in your mouth dumbfounded after the first shot like you have never done that before, even if it is your first time. Last trip, I took five animals all with one shot but only two of them travelled more than two steps and neither gave me time for a follow up. I did kill a nice Blue Wildebeest with the 375HH with a frontal shot at 180y. The shot was true but I hate frontals and even though it was down, I put in two more insurance shots to anchor the animal. They are tough.
 
I was very sorry to hear this. My prayers go out to the PH and the hunters family. I know that we have assisted wounded PH's in the past. If anyone hears of a need and an opportunity to help the PH in this instance, please share it with the forum.
 
Yes, finding that 'ignore' button (under their name/avatar) and applying it to him was the difference between me staying and leaving this forum
Interesting that men who think they have the courage to hunt dangerous game have to run and hide behind the "ignore" button. :D

I'm glad you decided to stay. Not sure the forum could have survived without you. :D
 
I was very sorry to hear this. My prayers go out to the PH and the hunters family. I know that we have assisted wounded PH's in the past. If anyone hears of a need and an opportunity to help the PH in this instance, please share it with the forum.
Well said WAB and this is what matters here. The people...and how / if we can help. For this thread to derail into anything else is a shame. IMPORTANTLY.... If there is anyway we as a group can help, especially this PH and his family, I am all in, and I'm happy to spearhead any efforts here if someone more in the know about the specifics of the people involved can help point me in the right direction please PM me.
 
At the end of the day nothing matters when its your day to be called home by the good lord... Prayers for the PH hope he is able to recover and get back in the field soon. As for the hunter hope his family is able to have peace and comfort. All the men in my family have died of illness around that age and its very sad to watch, being taken out by a buff in the heart of Africa seems much better then a hospital bed.. May he rest in peace.
 
I was very sorry to hear this. My prayers go out to the PH and the hunters family. I know that we have assisted wounded PH's in the past. If anyone hears of a need and an opportunity to help the PH in this instance, please share it with the forum.
@WAB brings up a good point about helping people, I know people have posted links to gofundme.com before and curious is there is a likewise collection point/system that's active?

Also I know DSC has the Front Line Foundation

Do we know if anyone has initiated a report/claim?.... The PH's family may not even know this exists.
 
Well said WAB and this is what matters here. The people...and how / if we can help. For this thread to derail into anything else is a shame. IMPORTANTLY.... If there is anyway we as a group can help, especially this PH and his family, I am all in, and I'm happy to spearhead any efforts here if someone more in the know about the specifics of the people involved can help point me in the right direction please PM me.

Thanks. To those who are turning this thread into a sniping match, how about a little decorum? One of our own is dead and another badly injured.

Again, if anyone knows how we can help, please shout out.
 

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