A very ugly high end slug gun

Just a point of order on shells and accuracy. Obviously, every load and gun combination can deliver different results, but the 3” 20 gauge shells are generally more accurate for two key reasons. One, they have less free bore which is generally a better idea. Two, the velocity difference (published) is 1750fps versus 1900fps at the muzzle, approximately. The extra 150fps is reducing time of flight which reduces effects of wind and drop.

Purpose built slug rifles are typically designed to have a different lead into the lands that is shorter than a do-all barrel on something like a Remington 870 or Ithaca deerslayer. The 3” slug shells of today are actually shorter than 3” with only a minor roll crimp holding back a sabot compared to a longer star crimp on the older designs that is closer to a 3” bird shot type shotgun shell.

There is an absurd amount of science going into these custom slug rifles and it’s why you can spend many, many thousands on a good one. It’s the same phenomenon as the $10,000 muzzle loader. People want to hunt and they want to hunt at reasonable rifle ranges of 200-275 yards. Unfortunately, an off the shelf slug rifle or muzzleloader is not going to produce ethical shots at those ranges.

With this gun in question, you range the deer, turn the turret to the yardage, aim and shoot, out to 270 yards.
Thanks for the feedback @rookhawk. Unfortunately, my pocket is not deep enough for the custom versions. I do dream of one some day. Actually, I dream of one day living in a state where I don’t need a slug gun. Unfortunately that probably will not be until retirement. Again, I think your “fugly” gun is one sharp looking slug gun. Best of luck.
 
Thanks for the feedback @rookhawk. Unfortunately, my pocket is not deep enough for the custom versions. I do dream of one some day. Actually, I dream of one day living in a state where I don’t need a slug gun. Unfortunately that probably will not be until retirement. Again, I think your “fugly” gun is one sharp looking slug gun. Best of luck.


All you have to do is pick up and move! Of course from IL that typically means losing quarter mil or more on your home, finding new employment, etc. But overall, "Paying the toll" to leave IL after 25 years was the best solution.

Now I live in a place with the longest hunting season in America, Sept 15 to Jan 31, tags are cheap, internet is fast, airports are close...but I'm in the middle of nowhere nonetheless.

But until that point, you probably want to get the most accurate slug gun you can. Shots done come around often on the big ones and when they do, the buck is usually past 200 yards and just passing through!
 
All you have to do is pick up and move! Of course from IL that typically means losing quarter mil or more on your home, finding new employment, etc. But overall, "Paying the toll" to leave IL after 25 years was the best solution.

Now I live in a place with the longest hunting season in America, Sept 15 to Jan 31, tags are cheap, internet is fast, airports are close...but I'm in the middle of nowhere nonetheless.

But until that point, you probably want to get the most accurate slug gun you can. Shots done come around often on the big ones and when they do, the buck is usually past 200 yards and just passing through!

Wow, you have us beat on that deer season. Ours is Oct 15 to Feb 10, although our bag limit is quite liberal. You made the right move getting out of Illinois. Wisconsin is a beautiful state!
 
Oh, and yes, you are correct, that is one ugly gun!
 
Well, I’m originally from NJ and that State was “Buckshot Only” until late 1980s. Soooo, when they finally allowed SLUGs - it was a celebration for Deer Hunters. My Son and I both used Slug guns for 20 years and the H&R single shot break actions (in either 12 or 20 gauge) were extremely accurate and CHEAP. Both sold for around $200 in the mid 1990s and were more accurate then my Browning ABolt Slug gun (12ga) that cost $850. The H&R have been discontinued and now sell used for $500-$800....if you can find one. They are heavy, very stiff trigger (but you can get a trigger job), and UGLY —- but very accurate.
 
A Savage 220 is not ugly. I have 2 of them. One is black and carbon steel. The other is camo and stainless steel. I live in a shotgun-only state and hunt in parts of 2 others that prohibit rifles.
Also I don’t consider the recoil to be formidable without a muzzle brake, but I previously used a 12 gauge Deerslayer II whose recoil was unquestionably formidable.
@Finprof
Try a Mossberg Maverick plastic stock bolt action shotgun with 3 inch sellior and bellot magnum slugs. Now that really gets you attention. Plus it's butt ugly to go with it. But if you do your bit it will cut a clover leaf at 50yards and 4 inch group at 100yds with a Bushnell red dot. That's with a modified choke barrel.
Bob
 
A dear F/B friend and Canadian Bear Hunter, with the bow, Judy Be, carries a 20ga as a back-up, not sure of the make. Very rarely has had to use it; now I understand why she chooses the 20 ga...
Remarkable Lady
 
@Finprof
Try a Mossberg Maverick plastic stock bolt action shotgun with 3 inch sellior and bellot magnum slugs. Now that really gets you attention. Plus it's butt ugly to go with it. But if you do your bit it will cut a clover leaf at 50yards and 4 inch group at 100yds with a Bushnell red dot. That's with a modified choke barrel.
Bob
Some really ugly guns on this thread - Mossberg with plastic stock ranks right up there, I have a Mossberg 835 ultimate mag 12 ga and it is “tie” for the ugliest gun I own —— right next to my H&R single shot 20ga slug gun with laminated wood stock and matt finished black metal, either one could be voted “Pig at the Prom”....makes all my other guns look like “Miss America”.
 
A dear F/B friend and Canadian Bear Hunter, with the bow, Judy Be, carries a 20ga as a back-up, not sure of the make. Very rarely has had to use it; now I understand why she chooses the 20 ga...
Remarkable Lady
20 ga slug as “back up” for bear? Is that to follow up wounded bear or as an alternative weapon if the bear is out-of-bow-range? Unless someone doesn’t own a 12 ga - there is no advantage in a 20 ga regarding “stopping power”....accuracy maybe, even penetration “might” be argued but the heavier slug from 12 ga and larger frontal area trumps a 20 ga for stopping or anchoring a wounded bear (inside of 50 yrds)...at least in my opinion and interpretation of ballistics. Guides I’ve used for bear in Maine carried handguns in .44 mag or .460 and one used 12 ga w/buck shot for tracking wounded bear. In Canada - no handguns allowed for hunting so shotgun or rifle makes sense and more power anyway. I certainly Think a 20 ga is adequate but not superior to a 12 ga.
 
Some really ugly guns on this thread - Mossberg with plastic stock ranks right up there, I have a Mossberg 835 ultimate mag 12 ga and it is “tie” for the ugliest gun I own —— right next to my H&R single shot 20ga slug gun with laminated wood stock and matt finished black metal, either one could be voted “Pig at the Prom”....makes all my other guns look like “Miss America”.
@HankBuck
They might be ugly but as long as they shoot well I don't care.
Ugly is good to some people.
Shit I'm as ugly as a bucketful of cats arses but my wife still married me. The fact that I stole her glasses and shot her seeing eye dog as well as telling her I was dashing and ruggedly handsome may have helped.
Bob
 
While some say "ugly"...one might substitute in words like weather resistant, incredibly practical or purpose built. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
All you have to do is pick up and move! Of course from IL that typically means losing quarter mil or more on your home, finding new employment, etc. But overall, "Paying the toll" to leave IL after 25 years was the best solution.

Now I live in a place with the longest hunting season in America, Sept 15 to Jan 31, tags are cheap, internet is fast, airports are close...but I'm in the middle of nowhere nonetheless.

But until that point, you probably want to get the most accurate slug gun you can. Shots done come around often on the big ones and when they do, the buck is usually past 200 yards and just passing through!
NJ has a longer deer season in many of it’s “Zones” - Bow opens 2nd Saturday in Sept. and runs into mid February. Also in that time frame is shotgun, MZ, Winter bow, permit MZ etc.. Good State for deer and some areas offer unlimited does but they grab you for a lot of $$ with all the permit & zone fees. It use to cost me more each year to hunt Deer/waterfowl/Turkey in NJ as a resident then NY as a non resident (and NY included Bear).
 
@HankBuck
They might be ugly but as long as they shoot well I don't care.
Ugly is good to some people.
Shit I'm as ugly as a bucketful of cats arses but my wife still married me. The fact that I stole her glasses and shot her seeing eye dog as well as telling her I was dashing and ruggedly handsome may have helped.
Bob
Yes Yes Yes, and I’ll just say that my Prom date was “smart & good personality” —-all 200 pimply pounds of her !
 
NJ has a longer deer season in many of it’s “Zones” - Bow opens 2nd Saturday in Sept. and runs into mid February. Also in that time frame is shotgun, MZ, Winter bow, permit MZ etc.. Good State for deer and some areas offer unlimited does but they grab you for a lot of $$ with all the permit & zone fees. It use to cost me more each year to hunt Deer/waterfowl/Turkey in NJ as a resident then NY as a non resident (and NY included Bear).
@HankBuck
Australia has a short deer season. It's only 365 days for 5 species. Hog dear has about a 3 month season.
All other othe game haapart from ducks has a 12 month season.
Wish they were longer.
Bob
 
@HankBuck
Australia has a short deer season. It's only 365 days for 5 species. Hog dear has about a 3 month season.
All other othe game haapart from ducks has a 12 month season.
Wish they were longer.
Bob
Thanks Bob, for details on Australia and now I know where I can go for late season “everything” - it’s a bit of a drive from VA but sounds worth it.
 
My gun is by far the ugliest one in the rack at the skeet range, but it usually breaks targets better than any of the others. And it's also a bird killing machine, typically bringing home a couple of honker triples every year (flock shooting doesn't count!). Not hard to do ... if you hunt alone.
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My gun is by far the ugliest one in the rack at the skeet range, but it usually breaks targets better than any of the others. And it's also a bird killing machine, typically bringing home a couple of honker triples every year (flock shooting doesn't count!). Not hard to do ... if you hunt alone.
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Ugly for sure and as out of place at a skeet club as a Hooker in Church....but in a duck blind that is an “honored gun”. As a kid , my friend got a Belgium browning 12 ga for Christmas (1971) — the envy of all of us....as We all had whatevver old double was in our family and happy just to have a gun. He also shot it well and used that gun exclusively until mid 1990s when he bought a Benelli. That Browning never jammed, rain, cold, & snow - it cycled well (as did my Rem 1148). The Browning was as reliable as any semiauto I saw back in those days - I would say most Benelli’s today are also. Did you replace the original wood stock with that plastic-fantastic or is it a newer model? Either way would guess it serves you well.
 
Ugly for sure and as out of place at a skeet club as a Hooker in Church....but in a duck blind that is an “honored gun”. As a kid , my friend got a Belgium browning 12 ga for Christmas (1971) — the envy of all of us....as We all had whatevver old double was in our family and happy just to have a gun. He also shot it well and used that gun exclusively until mid 1990s when he bought a Benelli. That Browning never jammed, rain, cold, & snow - it cycled well (as did my Rem 1148). The Browning was as reliable as any semiauto I saw back in those days - I would say most Benelli’s today are also. Did you replace the original wood stock with that plastic-fantastic or is it a newer model? Either way would guess it serves you well.
I replaced the wood. As great as they were/are, the A-5 had two design flaws that neither John nor Val Browning fixed, and both were wood related. The barrel recoils during cycling but the barrel ring around the magazine that guides it slams into the top end of fore end at the end of the cycle. The wood invariably breaks down from constant pounding. At the other end the stock is held on by a tang screw through the pistol grip. The wood is prone to cracking through the thinnest part of the stock. Remington fixed both issues with their 11-48, which replaced their A-5 clone Model 11. The 11-48 stock is attached by a bolt at the end of the action spring tube and a metal tube lines the fore end channel so the magazine cap absorbs the pounding of returning barrel ring.
 

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