9.3x62 cape buffalo

JW, many Thanks Sir, the rifle is much more accurate than it needs to be for the ranging capabilities of the round, that is most welcome if one needs to thread a needle through the thorn thickets at a small patch of Zebra or Gemsbok shoulder, i have done both with a 400 Whelen and 400gr Woodleighs, pinwheel accurate rifles are a blessing in any cartridge.

I have 338 win mags and 358 Norma mag, i like to make a cartridge chase on the heels of the next one up the power scale, in this case, my 9.3x62mm loaded with 320gr Woodleighs at 2400 is not to terribly far behind the great 357 H&H with the 9.3 enjoying 6 rounds on board with higher sectional densities and less recoil, Yes Sir, sad about the whole Woodleigh deal, i wish them the very best and hope they can get back up and running with remaining profitable as soon as possible for a very very long time, were i to just now be getting into the 9.3-62mm or had one as in your case and looking for Woodleighs, the 286gr TSX is an absolute hammer of a bullet that cuts a very deep hole, they, as well as the excellent 280gr CEB BBW #13 solids are available, i cant think of a situation where either would leave you lacking, especially at 2500 fps with RL-17.
 
JW, many Thanks Sir, the rifle is much more accurate than it needs to be for the ranging capabilities of the round, that is most welcome if one needs to thread a needle through the thorn thickets at a small patch of Zebra or Gemsbok shoulder, i have done both with a 400 Whelen and 400gr Woodleighs, pinwheel accurate rifles are a blessing in any cartridge.

I have 338 win mags and 358 Norma mag, i like to make a cartridge chase on the heels of the next one up the power scale, in this case, my 9.3x62mm loaded with 320gr Woodleighs at 2400 is not to terribly far behind the great 357 H&H with the 9.3 enjoying 6 rounds on board with higher sectional densities and less recoil, Yes Sir, sad about the whole Woodleigh deal, i wish them the very best and hope they can get back up and running with remaining profitable as soon as possible for a very very long time, were i to just now be getting into the 9.3-62mm or had one as in your case and looking for Woodleighs, the 286gr TSX is an absolute hammer of a bullet that cuts a very deep hole, they, as well as the excellent 280gr CEB BBW #13 solids are available, i cant think of a situation where either would leave you lacking, especially at 2500 fps with RL-17.
Tremendous!! I’ve got two 9.3x62’s, a .375 h and h, .375 ruger, .458 win mag and several 30 calibers .243, 22 cf’s it’s a toss up between the 9.3’s or the .375 Ruger on which one is most fun to shoot! The .458 is fun with 480 gr woodliegh and recoil is nothing, same as the 9.3’s and .375’s. Never been recoil sensitive. So I have plenty of “Big Stuff” I could take to RSA however I’ll take the 9.3x62 simply because I can, historically it’s plenty up to the job, as much as the .375’s are, and the PH gave his approval. And I don’t see the need to over compensate for other short comings……

I too am saddened by woodliegh’s misfortune and hope they are able to rebuild and move on with great success once again.

It will be interesting.
 
LOL, you bet JW, the 9.3x62 will indeed get it all done, and same/same with you on the caliber spread, i load everything from 22 Hornet to 8 Bore, i will not kid myself being 60 years old, the 9.3's, 400 Whelen as well as 400 H&H, 450-400 NE doubles and even 375 Flanged NE doubles are going certainly be options for me in the recoil department as i age.

With these great rounds and their high sectional bullets and very mild but extremely effective velocities of 2050-2150 fps has been getting it all done for well over 100 years, you and i may have the same mindset of as long as we can walk and carry a rifle, somethings going down ; ]

We have forward facing eyes and canine teeth, we are predators, with 'dinner' having eyes on the sides of their heads.
 
Ive shot maybe 10 or 12 buffalo, half a dozen Eland and some PG with mine..Id recommend the 300 gr. swift bullets and keep a few solids on hand. I never could tell any difference in it and my 375..
 
Sure you can shot a buffalo with the cartridge 9,3x62. I have shot 3 buffalos with the cartridge 9,3x74R, well comparable to the cartridge 9,3x62 in terms of performance, but also a few more buffalos with various cartridges from the 375 H&H Magnum to the 500 Jeffery. In the meantime and with my humble experience, I also know what works better and gives you more security, especially when somethings don't go as planned or really go wrong. Unfortunately that happens, and the more you hunt, the greater the risk.
Exactly!
 
I had a recent email exchange with Kevin Robertson specifically regarding the 9.3x62mm and the 286 grain Swift A-Frame on buffalo. Given how that bullet is constructed and likely shooting distances involved he suggested keeping MVs between 2300 and 2350. Factory ammunition using that bullet seems to align pretty well.
 
Ive shot 3 buffalo with a .450-400 3&1/4”. All uneventful, except a charge by a wounded bull ( norma Oryx .375 H&H), even though the Dzombo droped him in his tracks.

My next buff will no doubt be with a 286gr Woodleigh or Steward Hi Performer form the the A-type 9,3x62 to settle the curiousity. I suspect penetration will be on parr.
 
From an old 9.3x62 thread @doctari505

have been mentioned twice in this thread so I'll add my five cents worth. There is, in my opinion a logical explanation why the 9,3 x 62 mm, and well-constructed 286 or 300 grain bullets is such an effective, dangerous game combination.
It is simply this:- this ballistic combination is wonderfully 'shootable', which goes a long way towards ensuring initial shot placement is good. Knowing your rifle/ballistic combination is 'marginal' for buffalo, also seems to have a physiological effect - which in a way seems to improve ones shooting performance.
I have yet to meet an enthusiastic dangerous game hunter who could not shoot my 9,3 well, and this includes quite a few from the fairer sex. I have however encountered quite a few 'with hairy chests' who were 'scared' of a .375's recoil.
There are three components to 'recoil' - the force that comes back into your shoulder measured in foot pounds (Free Recoil Energy), the speed or velocity with which this force is delivered (Free Recoil Velocity measured in fps) and the 'duration' of the recoil event.
Recoil starts the moment the bullet starts to move out the neck of the cartridge case and into the freebore and it ends when the bullet exits the muzzle.
A 10 pound 9,3 x 62 mm firing a 286 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2350 fps (or a 300 grainer at 2300) creates a FRE value of 28 ft pounds at a FRV of 13.5 fps.
A similar weight .375 H&H firing a 300 grain bullet at 2550 fps of muzzle velocity creates 41 ft pounds of FRE at a velocity of 16 fps.
I do not have a figure for the duration of the recoil event but given similar barrel lengths the time it takes for a 286 grain .366 bullet to be accelerated to 2350 fps is longer than it takes a 300 grainer to reach 2550 fps.
Put simply, a similar weight .375 H&H recoils 50% more than a 9,3 x 62 mm, and this 'experience' is delivered over a shorter/sharper time period, all of which translates into a very different, more unpleasant shooting experience.
This makes the 9,3 a lot easier, more pleasant, more manageable call it whatever, to shoot. Pretty simple really, all of which contributes significantly towards 'confidence' which in turn equates to better shooting and correct first shot placement.
I have more than three decades of 9,3 experience and I long ago realized that 300 grain .366's (at 2300 fps) seemed to me to be more effective than 286 grainers going a bit faster. I attributed this to a better sectional density, .320 as opposed to .305, and a slightly improved momentum value - 99 pound fps to 96.
More importantly, the 300 grain expanding bullets I used for decades, flat nosed Hi-Performers made especially for me by the late Ken Stewart, had nice, 2 mm thick jackets and bonded cores, and they expanded reliably to a little over double caliber in size which created nice and big wound channels which resulted in turn to quick deaths when these bullets were placed into the heart/lung area.
Many buffalo are shot from the frontal angles where the inch-thick frontal chest skin of a buffalo is a formidable obstacle for any bullet. I quickly became convinced that from these angles, an expanding 300 grain .366 bullet at 2300 was more effective than a similar 300 grain .375 bullet at 2500 fps. Higher SD bullets at a lower mv overcame the 'trampoline effect' of the frontal chest skin better/easier than lower SD bullets going faster. In such instances, momentum, in my opinion, is a lot more important than energy.
Along with my Brno ZG47 9,3 x 62 mm, I also owned for a time a Browning A-Bolt Medallion .375 H&H. This rifle weighed only 8 pounds and my clients used to complain bitterly about its recoil when full house factory loads with 300 grainers were used. To get around this I used to reduce the mv with 300 grainers to 2350 fps. Not only did this reduce the recoil, but it also improved the terminal bullet performance. When 350 grain .375 bullets became available (and 380 grain Rhino's) this bullet weight elevated the .375 into another performance class altogether - but this is not the topic of this thread.
The 'nine-three's' work because they are the easiest of the DG suitable combinations to shoot, and when bullet placement is where it should be, they 'work' surprisingly well.
There is an old saying - 'shot Placement is the best caliber/cartridge combination' and the 9,3's are the easiest way to accomplish this - pretty simple really!”
 
i stand under correction but as far as i know the .375 h and h is the minimum legal for SA, some ranch owners might allow the 9.3 knowing with correct shot placement which ( ie for recoil shy people ) it is adequate for buff and rather a lighter calibre than a gun shy heavier calibre causing poor shot placement.
 
A lot of the 9.3x62 argument for accuracy and finesse applies to the 375 Flanged Magnum too. It if course ticks the '375 minimum' box too. I have never understood why this cartridge is not better liked, it seems the ideal for a light double with an on-off light scope or red dot sight. It is very hard to find 375 Flanged ammo in South Africa.
 
i stand under correction but as far as i know the .375 h and h is the minimum legal for SA, some ranch owners might allow the 9.3 knowing with correct shot placement which ( ie for recoil shy people ) it is adequate for buff and rather a lighter calibre than a gun shy heavier calibre causing poor shot placement.

Only in some of the 9 provinces of SA. Each province has it’s own Nature Concervation Ordinance with ammendments on minimum calibre used, night hunting etc.
 
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accuracy and finesse applies to the 375 Flanged Magnum too. It if course ticks the '375 minimum' box too. I have never understood why this cartridge is not better liked, it seems the ideal for a light double with an on-off light scope or red dot sight. It is very hard to find 375 Flanged ammo in South Africa.


Only the British had could do this.

But the British sporting arms industry gave preference to disappear....

Who else should have produced rifles in this caliber....?

The Germanys have their beloved 9,3x74R and the Americans never produced doubles in relevant numbers.

Did not Norma made ammunition and discontinued production soon?

And in addition to that, the belted brother also works fine in ejector guns!

HWL
 
Only the British had could do this.

But the British sporting arms industry gave preference to disappear....

Who else should have produced rifles in this caliber....?

The Germanys have their beloved 9,3x74R and the Americans never produced doubles in relevant numbers.

Did not Norma made ammunition and discontinued production soon?

And in addition to that, the belted brother also works fine in ejector guns!

HWL
Norma do indeed make 375 Flanged, it is called the PH series. They also make the brass, so do Bertrams, maybe others too. Doubles prefer flanged cases, the modern ones may get it right most of the time, but for sure a flanged case will always eject better. Flanging popular calibres for doubles isn't uncommon: 9.3x74R, 375 Flanged Mag, Rigby 416 No2, etc. Doubles are predominantly DG guns, why accept any unnecessary risk of a failed ejection?
 
He’s not wrong. I’d personally go with the .375 Holland & Holland Magnum, but that’s more out of personal preference than anything else. If you hand load the 286Gr Barnes TSX for your 9.3x62mm Mauser, then you have a brilliant all round bullet for Cape buffalo and plains game. Otherwise, use Federal’s 286Gr Swift A Frame load. Although nothing modern, RWS’s 293Gr Uni Classic load (basically a copy of the Brenekke TUG bullet) is also a very potent Cape buffalo and plains game cartridge.
 
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Norma do indeed make 375 Flanged, it is called the PH series. They also make the brass, so do Bertrams, maybe others too. Doubles prefer flanged cases, the modern ones may get it right most of the time, but for sure a flanged case will always eject better. Flanging popular calibres for doubles isn't uncommon: 9.3x74R, 375 Flanged Mag, Rigby 416 No2, etc. Doubles are predominantly DG guns, why accept any unnecessary risk of a failed ejection?
No doubt, no other case is better suited to an ejector than a rimmed one.

But my Brno O/U double in .375 H&H ejects it's belted cases with authority, you can kill the man standing behind you with.

I have seen .375 belted Heym doubles, doing similar.

And the performance of the belted .375 in the field is simply to good, that there is no space for a Flanged.


HWL
 

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