79 Series Land Cruiser discontinued, what will your Professional Hunter use in the future

[spike.t]

Maby the best thing is to contact Toyota SA direct and ask what's happening. That should clear things up hopefully

Just think someone got confused about stuff on the Internet.....

 

[Jörg Krüger]

Also dont think it will be discontinued here.

 

[Tokoloshe Safaris]

Rechecked the numbers 320 dual cabs
200 single cabs
80 four dour wagons

I very much hope all that I have read is incorrect!

 

[spike.t]

They are the numbers for the 70th anniversary model....not final runout...Read the Australian Toyota link...as you said to me ...so...

 

[Rick Cox]

While killing a little time waiting for things to cool off I looked up some Toyota numbers.
1. According to Google Toyota makes and sells about 10million vehicles a year.

2. I looked at two different sources on 79 series Land Cruiser one says in 2019 they mfg. about 5,200.

3. The other source says in 2020 mfg. about 3,500.

Keep in mind I am talking about the bakkie only, not wagon/troopie or any of the other countless models. As you can see that is a fairly insignificant amount of vehicles.

As a Safari Operator we can purchase duty free which in Zim adds about $25,000 or so to the purchase price. I wish we had the money to purchase 1 or 2 more, but that is not going to happen.

From what I have observed of South Africa their is always a glut of used late model cruisers for sale, it seems that most have the v-8 petrol engine. Not desirable for us, but unless something changes this is sure going to leave a big dead space in the rugged hunting vehicle market. We will definitely be taking care of the ones that own now.

Just curious, but roughly what is the price of a new Land Cruiser in Canadian or US dollars?

 

[mdwest]

Just curious, but roughly what is the price of a new Land Cruiser in Canadian or US dollars?

Theyre almost impossible to find in the US....

I priced one out with most of the options available about a month ago.. it was a little north of $90K US...

After I had two different dealers essentially tell me "you'll never get one... between the low inventory, chip shortage, and high demand.. its just not going to happen.... so.. how would you like a 4Runner?!?!?!" I stopped even considering a new LC as an option..

 

[YancyW]

Theyre almost impossible to find in the US....

I priced one out with most of the options available about a month ago.. it was a little north of $90K US...

After I had two different dealers essentially tell me "you'll never get one... between the low inventory, chip shortage, and high demand.. its just not going to happen.... so.. how would you like a 4Runner?!?!?!" I stopped even considering a new LC as an option..

As someone who can speak with first hand experience, how is a Jihadi in a Land Cruiser more of a threat than one in a pickup, or a Pajero, or anything else that can cover ground? I'm in the business of selling bullshit and I can't even begin to think of a way I could make this argument with a straight face.

 

[mdwest]

I suppose there are certain situations where an LC can get somewhere more effectively and reliably than other options... but... that would be the exception rather than the rule..

and since there are a metric ton more pajeros, hi-lux, etc available.. and they are lower profile... they are often much preferred over anything that will bring additional attention to the bad guy...

I've seen WAY more hi-lux converted into "technicals" than I have seen LC's converted as well (an overt/obvious weapon system as opposed to a low-profile one)..

and for low profile attacks.. the most common vehicle I have seen used in pretty much the entire African and ME theaters has been a "white toyota corrola"...

I dont have actual stats in front of me.. but I'd no shit estimate better than 50% of all VBIED's in Iraq and Afghanistan we're deployed in small toyota sedans... and a significant number of the small arms ambush style attacks from vehicles were from sedans and vans....

I have never had a LC roll up on myself or anyone that I know personally for ANY type of attack (although I am sure they have happened on occasion)...

I have however personally witnessed and/or know several people that were subjected to VBIED attacks from small sedans and small arms attacks from small SUV's (like Pajeros) and mini-vans like the HiAce.

And I've watched militia units in Iraq and in 2 different African countries use Hi-Lux EXTENSIVELY.. and have watched the Hi-Lux be used EXTENSIVELY by a variety of forces in Afghanistan (both friendly and unfriendly)... but never seen an LC be used in any of those locations for anything in an actual combat situation (by friendly or unfriendly forces)..

Again, I am certain that LC's would be loved/preferred by anyone that can get them over a hi-lux for certain applications.. and I am certain they have been used for bad actions by bad actors in many places..

But if Toyotas real intent is to keep their vehicles out of the hands of bad guys... they should consider discontinuing the hi-lux and the corolla... their use outweighs LC use by at least a 20:1 margin (I would guess the actual number is much higher than that)..

FWIW the vast majority of technical conversions Ive seen done by govt forces throughout central and west Africa have also been Hi-Lux.. While Im sure there are a few LC out there.. I have personally never seen one.. and I spent A LOT of time in less than stable countries throughout those two parts of Africa over a period of about 5 years.. and still have people working for me today in multiple central and west african countries that deal directly with govt forces (both police and military)..

 

[baxterb]

If Toyota wants to stop terrorists using LCs, rig them with bombs, drop them off at ISIS HQ and watch the fireworks.

 

[Red Leg]

Theyre almost impossible to find in the US....

I priced one out with most of the options available about a month ago.. it was a little north of $90K US...

After I had two different dealers essentially tell me "you'll never get one... between the low inventory, chip shortage, and high demand.. its just not going to happen.... so.. how would you like a 4Runner?!?!?!" I stopped even considering a new LC as an option..

The 70 series Land Cruiser has never been imported into this country. I would love to know the dealer who can spec one for you. They simply can't be imported for new car sales. They are not built to US standards (safety, emission, etc.). The Land Cruiser sold here, which I assume you were pricing, is the SUV in the same price and performance competitive lane as the Range Rover. It is indeed hard to find currently (like most every other import), but it is a very different machine than a 70 series.

This is currently on the web for American buyers. It is referring to the discontinuation of the SUV version of the LC which has been imported into this country for quite a while. They compete with Range Rover and the other higher end SUV's. I wonder if this is the source of confusion about the 70 series?

2025 Toyota Land Cruiser | Toyota.com

Explore new worlds with confidence in the all-new 2025 Land Cruiser. From capable roots rises the next generation of off-road excellence. Whether conquering rugged trails or navigating through the urban jungle, the 2025 Land Cruiser is ready for adventure.

www.toyota.com

 

[mdwest]

The 70 series Land Cruiser has never been imported into this country. I would love to know the dealer who can spec one for you. They simply can't be imported for new car sales. They are not built to US standards (safety, emission, etc.). The Land Cruiser sold here, which I assume you were pricing, is the SUV in the same price and performance competitive lane as the Range Rover. It is indeed hard to find currently (like most every other import), but it is a very different machine than a 70 series.

This is currently on the web for American buyers. It is referring to the discontinuation of the SUV version of the LC which has been imported into this country for quite a while. They compete with Range Rover and the other higher end SUV's. I wonder if this is the source of confusion about the 70 series?

2025 Toyota Land Cruiser | Toyota.com

Explore new worlds with confidence in the all-new 2025 Land Cruiser. From capable roots rises the next generation of off-road excellence. Whether conquering rugged trails or navigating through the urban jungle, the 2025 Land Cruiser is ready for adventure.

www.toyota.com

you are 100% correct.

The LC I was trying to find was the 200 Series, which Toyota CLAIMS they are going to replace with the 300 series in the US on a couple of different websites (Car and Driver, etc).. but that the dealerships are saying will in fact not be available in the US (they claim Toyota will not be sending any LC of any series to the US for the foreseen future)..

 

[Red Leg]

you are 100% correct.

The LC I was trying to find was the 200 Series, which Toyota CLAIMS they are going to replace with the 300 series in the US on a couple of different websites (Car and Driver, etc).. but that the dealerships are saying will in fact not be available in the US (they claim Toyota will not be sending any LC of any series to the US for the foreseen future)..

Yep. Exactly what I was hearing. And their general advertising makes no mention of a follow-on. Would assume the industry rags would have better insight.

 

[CBH Australia]

Maybe you should try Toyotas site, not magazines etc. As I have stated they say they will make 600 2022 for Australia.

Nobody is disputing the 600 Anniversaryodels but from what I could find the base models, poverty packs or commercial line will continue.

I don't think Toyota will stop production to stop them getting in the hands of terrorists.

Just look at what the US army left for them. They may have disabled some aircraft bit there was a lot of images showing equipment left when they withdrew.

Now in the hands of the Taliban. Even body armour gives them some advantage.

 

[spike.t]

Fk me....I think I gave enough info/links to prove it was bullshit that the 79 was being stopped....and a possible reason about the supposed legal reason some couldn't sell on the new suv version....but that was new one...not 79 etc....so

Just curious, but roughly what is the price of a new Land Cruiser in Canadian or US dollars?

Here usd 90000 to 95000...single cab to double cab..butyou can't buy them there...

 

[spike.t]

Nobody is disputing the 600 Anniversaryodels but from what I could find the base models, poverty packs or commercial line will continue.

I don't think Toyota will stop production to stop them getting in the hands of terrorists.

Just look at what the US army left for them. They may have disabled some aircraft bit there was a lot of images showing equipment left when they withdrew.

Now in the hands of the Taliban. Even body armour gives them some advantage.

Fk me...I think that's what I been saying......I couldn't find any info of what the op said....so as I said previously...i think someone wasn't reading correctly...and jumping to a bullshit Internet assumption....bored with repeating myself and just off to kiss my DC goodnight....

 

[spike.t]

See I posted twice...but whatever....fun of sat Internet........

But I would like the OP....to post his info that caused him to create this thread....as I don't believe it.....

 

[CBH Australia]

See I posted twice...but whatever....fun of sat Internet........

But I would like the OP....to post his info that caused him to create this thread....as I don't believe it.....

Well he won't hang for misreading it. People make mistakes. I think he was posing a question as he took it they are being discontinued.

I know I looked into this recently.
I don't remember if the other thread I read was here or on long range Hunting.

 

[Scrumbag]

The way I heard it is for a lot jurisdictions there are 2 problems:

1) They are struggling making tightening emissions laws around the world
2) There are places where cars get ranked on how relatively safe it is to get hit as a pedestrian

 

[spike.t]

Well he won't hang for misreading it. People make mistakes. I think he was posing a question as he took it they are being discontinued.

I know I looked into this recently.
I don't remember if the other thread I read was here or on long range Hunting.

Didn't say he would....just interested to see what it was that caused him to put this up...and seemed to me he was pretty adamant production was being stopped....

 

[CBH Australia]

Didn't say he would....just interested to see what it was that caused him to put this up...and seemed to me he was pretty adamant production was being stopped....

Understood, but people either misinterpret or "Believe" things.

True story, a few years ago the rumour got around in Australia that the LandCruiser would not be available.

A State Government department of NSW National Parks believed this and started to look for a replacement. I know they did in fact but a couple of vehicles and set them up for fire vehicles for assessment.

Someone believed the Cruiser was gone. They have numerous Cruisers across the state. I was working for them and had one for my position.

I've been speaking with a Toyota dealer today. There is a backlog on orders but they are still making them and to their knowledge will continue to make them for Australia and other countries where they meet emmission controls etc .