600 Overkill? Anyone..

There are tools and there are toys. A rifle this size seems more like a toy. A handgun in this size is a fantastic toy designed to injure people with the recoil.
While I would love to shoot that rifle, I wouldn’t waste the money on it as it would never see practical use.
With that said, I do have a mini .600 (approx) cannon (On wheels!!) that we load with BB’s and fire with a wick. It is completely impractical but the humor and enjoyment value is intangible.
 
Just looking at this monster makes my shoulder ache :E Shake Head:
 
I may be completely mistaken, however, It's my understanding manufacturers of doubles are no longer making the 600.? 577's the largest standard stopping rifle, I thought? ...
And short of a $200K price Tag .. This 600 OK can be built for a fraction. As this may be pushing the envelope of novelty vs necessity, they can be quite beautiful and pivotal to a buyer segment in the market for a 600.
Has anyone had experience with a 600 OK?
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Beautiful looking wood on the rifle.
 
So what's your game? I'm thinking that you enjoy big bore toys. The allure of this .600 is definitely there, but I look at it is something that would be carried more than shot, caressed more than carried, and admired more than caressed. I can do the final step over the internet without physical or financial discomfort. At least with my .458 Lott I can relatively easily stuff the case full of trail boss and plink away with cheap bullets.
 
Considering a stopping caliber such as the .600's is a huge endeavor.
Not much the .600's are doing that the .500's aren't doing...and at a considerable cost savings.
Why a .600 and not one of the more popular stopping calibers like .470, .500 or .577?
Are the deer in Michigan really THAT big?
Just remember there is no such thing as too dead when hunting dangerous game. But this really is stretching things.
 
Just remember there is no such thing as too dead when hunting dangerous game. But this really is stretching things.
Oh I get it.
Agreed, no such thing as too dead.

I'd just like to see an example of where a .600 caliber did something a .577 or .500 couldn't.
Buying a .600 isn't just about killing or stopping, it's about the cartridge and what it means to the hunter.
Or possibly the history of the firearm or caliber.

As the client, you get the hunt you want...whatever that may be.
Single shot/bolt action/lever action/double rifle in whatever caliber is legal.
Your PH will do his best to give you the best opportunity possible within the limitations you have given him.
Give him a flinch on a .600 caliber and there may be no happy ending for all in that situation.
 
Well, idk .. off topic, but the most miserable to shoot "perhaps perceived, or just different" out of what I own is this "American Arms O/U Turkey Federation 12 3.5". it can't weigh much over 6 lbs?!? Length, not much over a Stoeger coach...
 
The 600 OK is a nice looking rifle. And that video of shooting a the 600 Revolver is worth it's weight in gold! I only hope roundboy was not seriously injured. I received a new Westley Richards catalog last week, and there was a foto of a new 600 Nitro double......thanks for the thread.............FWB
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I believe Verney Carron still builds 600 NE doubles. I cant remember the price but they had one at the last SCI show i went to a few years back.

I admit i have not shot a 600 OK (i have fired a 600 NE though) but i put some real consideration into buying one at one point. I ended up passing on both the 600 NE/OK and 700 NE as real hunting options because in order for the guns to be controllable they either have to be so heavy that they are too much trouble for me to carry in the bush OR you have to use a ridiculous muzzle break such as the one in this video (I firmly believe muzzle breaks have no business in the field!).


-Matt
@matt85
I was at Holland and Holland 5 years ago and they had a Royal double in 600 Nitro for the miserly sum of 250,000 English pounds.
Bob
 
Hello Dan,

Welcome aboard.

The 600 ok and the 577tr were designed and built for people who are damned serious about immediately stopping dg and can handle the brutal recoil that they produce. And truthfully Dan...... there are damned few who actually can and even fewer who hit the planet earth with a second shot if they miss with the first.

There will be some "Safari Sams" & "Bwana Bills" who just can't wait to cough up some horse apples in an insulting manner against anyone who may be thinking about possibly getting a rifle in a round they they most likely have never shot and have probably never even seen, but should you really want one I would only suggest that you find one and get to fire one first.

Those two calibers are really no fun to shoot. A 460 Weatherby is a pleasure to shoot by comparison and the 458 Winchester is a toy.
@Von S.
In the old safari days the 125 pound Englishman with an 18 pound 600 Nitro faced a 5,000 pounds elephant. Englishman pulls the trigger. Elephant and Englishman go down.
Who ever gets up first wins. If neither get up the native divide everything between themselves.
Bob
 
600 OK... (Over Kill) is an entirely different animal from 600 Nitro Express. The only thing they have in common is .620 caliber. Naturally the 600 NE is for the double rifles, and the 600 OK for big bolt guns. 600 NE Rimmed and the 600 OK is a Belted Case.

We have had 3 such rifles here doing test work in past years, the last one was 2011 when we tested the .620 caliber CEB #13 Solids and Raptors. Two were CZs and honestly was not worth the weight in lead. Neither would feed nor function, one had to be single shot feed from the magazine, the other one had to be loaded with the cartridge slid under the bolt, and then put in the gun. Totally Useless POS.

The last one was a very well built rifle on a Granite Mt Action, and it indeed would feed and function properly.........

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600 OK was developed in 2000 by Robert Garnick. It is designed and can supposedly handle 900 gr bullets at 2400 fps. It was not my mission to do any load data, but I used WW 760 for the most part from 150/WW 760 up to 170/WW 760 for the 900 gr CEB Solids and the 825 gr Raptors. I tested the 900 gr Solids from 1487 fps up to 2160 fps. The 825 Raptors from 1440 fps to 2201 fps.

I forget the exact weight of the Granite Mt Rifle, but it was at 13-14 lbs, with a 24 inch barrel.

In those days we were not really recoil shy, and I was used to shooting on average 10'000 rounds of Big Bore a year, several hundred each week doing load data, and bullet tech work. The last day shooting the 600 OK I had 22 rounds loaded up, and these happened to be the 2160-2200 fps loads. At the end of that test, I was very pleased I was finished I can tell you. Even I would not have wanted to shoot any at 2400.

At 1800-2000 fps it was not terribly punishing, it was like a big push, and of course there is a huge muzzle flip, or lift. You have to roll with it and let it do its thing, if you try hard to control the recoil and muzzle flip, it would get more punishing. And, recall, all the test work had to be done from the bench, there was no standing test work done, we had to have the closest precision possible to complete the mission, all from the bench.

We conducted other work with other bullets as well. I knew Robert at the time, and he sent several of his designs to be tested as well. If I were designing a bullet today for the 600s, I would go with something like a 700-750 gr Solid and a matching Raptor that would come in at 75 or so gr less. Run them at 2100 or so, and go about my business...........Although they are extremely effective at 1900-2000 fps, which is hi end velocity in 600 NE.

The same friend that sent his rifle down to me to be used in the test work also was a 600 NE fan, later used the bullets at great success for elephant and buffalo.

For me personally, rifles are way too big, too heavy, and I just would not carry that around. Yes, they are effective with the right design bullets, and yes, like everything else, totally useless with the wrong sort of bullet.

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I just posted this over on the same thread for 600 OK in Firearms and Ammo... Was not aware at the time there was another here, so repost same info for any that is interested....

600 OK... (Over Kill) is an entirely different animal from 600 Nitro Express. The only thing they have in common is .620 caliber. Naturally the 600 NE is for the double rifles, and the 600 OK for big bolt guns. 600 NE Rimmed and the 600 OK is a Belted Case.

We have had 3 such rifles here doing test work in past years, the last one was 2011 when we tested the .620 caliber CEB #13 Solids and Raptors. Two were CZs and honestly was not worth the weight in lead. Neither would feed nor function, one had to be single shot feed from the magazine, the other one had to be loaded with the cartridge slid under the bolt, and then put in the gun. Totally Useless POS.

The last one was a very well built rifle on a Granite Mt Action, and it indeed would feed and function properly.........

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600 OK was developed in 2000 by Robert Garnick. It is designed and can supposedly handle 900 gr bullets at 2400 fps. It was not my mission to do any load data, but I used WW 760 for the most part from 150/WW 760 up to 170/WW 760 for the 900 gr CEB Solids and the 825 gr Raptors. I tested the 900 gr Solids from 1487 fps up to 2160 fps. The 825 Raptors from 1440 fps to 2201 fps.

I forget the exact weight of the Granite Mt Rifle, but it was at 13-14 lbs, with a 24 inch barrel.

In those days we were not really recoil shy, and I was used to shooting on average 10'000 rounds of Big Bore a year, several hundred each week doing load data, and bullet tech work. The last day shooting the 600 OK I had 22 rounds loaded up, and these happened to be the 2160-2200 fps loads. At the end of that test, I was very pleased I was finished I can tell you. Even I would not have wanted to shoot any at 2400.

At 1800-2000 fps it was not terribly punishing, it was like a big push, and of course there is a huge muzzle flip, or lift. You have to roll with it and let it do its thing, if you try hard to control the recoil and muzzle flip, it would get more punishing. And, recall, all the test work had to be done from the bench, there was no standing test work done, we had to have the closest precision possible to complete the mission, all from the bench.

We conducted other work with other bullets as well. I knew Robert at the time, and he sent several of his designs to be tested as well. If I were designing a bullet today for the 600s, I would go with something like a 700-750 gr Solid and a matching Raptor that would come in at 75 or so gr less. Run them at 2100 or so, and go about my business...........Although they are extremely effective at 1900-2000 fps, which is hi end velocity in 600 NE.

The same friend that sent his rifle down to me to be used in the test work also was a 600 NE fan, later used the bullets at great success for elephant and buffalo.

For me personally, rifles are way too big, too heavy, and I just would not carry that around. Yes, they are effective with the right design bullets, and yes, like everything else, totally useless with the wrong sort of bullet.

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Well said and great perspective in the interest of the thread , Thank You! ... Beautiful creation none the less!
 

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