500 Jeffery Shooting Thread

Nice shooting.

Here is visible why I stopped doing the BASA shoots.....as I believe the wrong muscle memory is being worked into the use of the rifle.

I quess if someone has a 500 Jeff for fun it is different but if it is used in the field for hunting and backup it is different....

1. If your rifle takes 2, 3 or 4 that is how you should start everytime.
2. Nowhere in the hunt will you be taking a rifle off a table.
3. Reloading on the run is how it happens in the field not once you get to where you decide to take a follow up shot(maybe this was your choice or maybe you where told to only reload when you got there).
4. In this cenario(if your rifle was empty) I would have loaded 1 only so I could get another backup shot into the departing elephant asap not load 2 as the oportunity would have been lost.

I can carry on but I think it can be seen where I am coming from.....

So if I was allowed to start as I would in the field.

1. I would have started with 4 up.
2. 2 shots on first target.
3. 1 shot on departing elephant leaving 1 in mag.
4. Reload on the run so I would have 2 shots availible when I get to the tyre instead of having to reload 2 when I get there......

These shoots are great and are definately good excercise but need to accommodate more realisticly in field use of the rifle instead of what is decided by someone.

Shooting and reloading etc should be the same for all irrespective of double or bolt.

No double could beat a bolt in the first one on the elephant if I started with 4 as the double guy would have to reload twice and the bolt guy only once on the run.......
at least it is good practice. and get's people interested in shooting big bores. So a win all around in my opinion. Competitions can never perfectly replicate a real situation. But I'll take any bet, that on average anyone who scores consistently high on these BASA shoots, will be outshooting any regular PH no matter how much field experience they have.
 
Unfortunately, it's very difficult for us to organize something like that in Europe. The regulations regarding safety on the shooting ranges are very strict. Only military terrain is suitable, but at the moment it is hardly accessible to civilians.
I wonder if an old stone quarry would also make a great option...
 
I wonder if an old stone quarry would also make a great option...

Back where I come from a neighbouring islands pistol club used an old quarry....was there range for many years....lawyer built/ bought a house nearby and had the range shutdown because he complained about the noise....end result club closed as nowhere else for them to move to....
 
@VertigoBE

In Germany as also in France, something like that cannot be organized at the time, but if that can be organized in Belgium, no problem. I stay in Germany near to the border of Luxemburg and therefore Belgium is also not very far. I drive immediately across the border of Belgium with my rifle caliber 500 Schüler and enough ammunition.
 
In Sweden we are allowed to practice shooting on land on which we have hunting rights, so in theory it should be possible to arrange something similar on my own land. The main problem here would be to find enough people with the right interest. It also seems to be quite hard to find targets that are african animals rather then moose, bears and so on...
 
We are also allowed to practice shooting on land where we have hunting rights, but this is limited to control the accuracy of our rifle. An event like the one we are talking about here is a different matter. In my opinion we would find enough people for something like that, but we would have to leave the choice of rifle and calibers to the people and therefore also tolerate smaller calibers. Targets are the least of the problems. You can even draw them yourself.
 
Nice shooting.

Here is visible why I stopped doing the BASA shoots.....as I believe the wrong muscle memory is being worked into the use of the rifle.

I quess if someone has a 500 Jeff for fun it is different but if it is used in the field for hunting and backup it is different....

1. If your rifle takes 2, 3 or 4 that is how you should start everytime.
2. Nowhere in the hunt will you be taking a rifle off a table.
3. Reloading on the run is how it happens in the field not once you get to where you decide to take a follow up shot(maybe this was your choice or maybe you where told to only reload when you got there).
4. In this cenario(if your rifle was empty) I would have loaded 1 only so I could get another backup shot into the departing elephant asap not load 2 as the oportunity would have been lost.

I can carry on but I think it can be seen where I am coming from.....

So if I was allowed to start as I would in the field.

1. I would have started with 4 up.
2. 2 shots on first target.
3. 1 shot on departing elephant leaving 1 in mag.
4. Reload on the run so I would have 2 shots availible when I get to the tyre instead of having to reload 2 when I get there......

These shoots are great and are definately good excercise but need to accommodate more realisticly in field use of the rifle instead of what is decided by someone.

Shooting and reloading etc should be the same for all irrespective of double or bolt.

No double could beat a bolt in the first one on the elephant if I started with 4 as the double guy would have to reload twice and the bolt guy only once on the run.......
I hear you, but I guess we kind of need to avoid ROs getting shot...
Saying this as one of the ROs.

I just got this 500 and have only put 50 or so shots through it, with trying the rapid fire excercise only twice.

However, due to all my previous muscle memory with my 404 and 450, you can see how easily I repeated it with this rifle.

I can load this rifle 3+1, but because of safety reasons on the range we do not allow people to run with loaded rifles nor reload on the run.
And I am still getting used to the 3+1 on this bad boy.

However, when hunting the setup differs, and even there I believe that I have developed sufficient muscle memory that I should be able to put multiple focussed shots if the target allows.

I have been fortunate to hunt a fair amount of dg, as well as numerous bushpig over hounds, and every time I can see and feel the value of these shoots.

I bet many PHes shoot their big game rifles far less than we do, yet clients depend their lives on them.

PS: I firmly believe that red dots are faster for aiming than open sights, and I can promise you this rifle's sights line up like laser beams!
 
@DWB you did excellent with your new rifle on the first time shooting it under pressure it's still a learning curve but out of 97 competitors you came in at 12th!!!
Well done!

I enjoyed shooting two shots with your rifle it definitely has more kick than my 458 lott it pushes back and about a second after that you feel that it has more recoil while the lott slaps and its over.
Would like to do 2 quick shots after each other next time to feel the difference.
 
Nice shooting.

Here is visible why I stopped doing the BASA shoots.....as I believe the wrong muscle memory is being worked into the use of the rifle.

I quess if someone has a 500 Jeff for fun it is different but if it is used in the field for hunting and backup it is different....

1. If your rifle takes 2, 3 or 4 that is how you should start everytime.
2. Nowhere in the hunt will you be taking a rifle off a table.
3. Reloading on the run is how it happens in the field not once you get to where you decide to take a follow up shot(maybe this was your choice or maybe you where told to only reload when you got there).
4. In this cenario(if your rifle was empty) I would have loaded 1 only so I could get another backup shot into the departing elephant asap not load 2 as the oportunity would have been lost.

I can carry on but I think it can be seen where I am coming from.....

So if I was allowed to start as I would in the field.

1. I would have started with 4 up.
2. 2 shots on first target.
3. 1 shot on departing elephant leaving 1 in mag.
4. Reload on the run so I would have 2 shots availible when I get to the tyre instead of having to reload 2 when I get there......

These shoots are great and are definately good excercise but need to accommodate more realisticly in field use of the rifle instead of what is decided by someone.

Shooting and reloading etc should be the same for all irrespective of double or bolt.

No double could beat a bolt in the first one on the elephant if I started with 4 as the double guy would have to reload twice and the bolt guy only once on the run.......
Thanks IVW, great feedback from an outside perspective. Will definitely consider it. Would love for you to come and shoot sometime and have a beer afterwards!

Yes if you view one range and one range only, one could argue all of the above and you are correct 100%. But since you have asked and stated, let us answer your questions.

Style of shooting - BASA teaches on its training days', what someone like Richard Harland spoke about (he was one of founding people as you may be well aware), a different technique that what Deon is using, one which you also advocate for...but let each person kiss his wife the way he wants to.

Shoot itself/Ranges
Each and every shoot is different with 3-5 ranges per shoot - as is each and every hunting scenario.

The lawyer in me - first Caveat - One should remember, you have participants that have never shot a big bore (this is not a rimfire shoot and we can all agree a 375 and bigger is a bit different than a normal 308 recoil wise and how people react to it), you have PH's (like yourself), game rangers, you have people shooting doubles, people with falling blocks, normal magazine rifles etc., people who shoot for competition and people for fun. For each one you need to cater and make it realistic, fun, safe. Then we have liability issues, we cannot, even if that is what happens in the hunting field, have a person come for his first shoot and run with a loaded rifle - we do not know him/her, is he/she proficient or not, a beginner or not? There are other people behind the shooting line that could be in danger.

Also our ranges try and duplicate a hunting scenario (not necessarily the full range from shot 1 to 6, but aspects of it), yes, there are no tables in the field, but I have seen numerous videos where a client takes a rifle from a gun bearer or taking a midday nap and be woken up, or taking a rifle in a hide from the rifle rest, or you get charged and the rifle falls or if that is your hunting style, from the back of the bakkie from the rifle bag/gun storage thing etc.

Also, in an "ideal" hunting world, you only need 1 shot, then we should all do training of shooting 1 shot only. Maybe that was the idea behind a falling block Ruger?

Our rules, and this has been stated numerous time, you can come and shoot the day as you wish, as long as it is safe for all. You do not need to follow the sequence. The the main purpose of the day for all, come and practice and know your rifle, how you and your rifle will work under stress situations.

Just to note for interest, on the range Deon posted. The first 3 shots favoured a magazine hunting rifle. Load 3 (if someone had a double he could also complain for competition purposes "why let them load 3" we can only do 2!"), but that is the point, a hunter with a magazine has the advantage and right to do that. Then the latter part of the shoot was more a "double" type of practice, load 2, shoot 2 and oops, the elephant is still running shoot again. Yes, a magazine guy probably could have loaded 3 but this is where we try and level the playing field and duplicate a hunting scenario for double carry people. For interest, the other ranges was to start with a rifle full (2/3/4/5/6) and then to start the shoot.

We will never win off course, a magazine hunter will always feel we favour double hunting scenarios and vice versa. A PH would always have something to say that it is to "easy" and elephants never run away directly like the target, or stand still for that fact, or there will always be a twig in the way, what about the grass and mopani leaves that you are not duplicating or the warm sun and tsetsi flies, I guess you get the point.

The end result that matters for us, is come and enjoy yourself.

Let's have that beer!
 
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I will join you for a beer (I only drink brannas).....
The main point for me is attack the range with your prefered firearm as you would in the field.....
Doubles could never win simple.....
Hunter, novice or PH makes no difference.....if I start in the fiel with 4 in my 500Jeff that is the way it is......
Furthermore if I backup on leopard I dont use my 500 Jeff I use a 9.3x74R/12ga combo....etc. etc.
.but sure let that be...

Let me know when the next shoot is and we can have a ine on one.....

Me and Mauritz Coetzee(RIP) where founding members.....
 
I will join you for a beer (I only drink brannas).....
The main point for me is attack the range with your prefered firearm as you would in the field.....
Doubles could never win simple.....
Hunter, novice or PH makes no difference.....if I start in the fiel with 4 in my 500Jeff that is the way it is......
Furthermore if I backup on leopard I dont use my 500 Jeff I use a 9.3x74R/12ga combo....etc. etc.
.but sure let that be...

Let me know when the next shoot is and we can have a ine on one.....

Me and Mauritz Coetzee(RIP) where founding members.....
Now I need to know what a "branna" is... :E Rofl:
 

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