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@Mentone Mike .
Danish gun laws are strict and it is illegal to use revolvers and pistol for hunting. A rifle is defined as being at least 60 cm (24") in total length, with a minimum barrel length of 30 cm (12"). If you plan to put a stock on a revolver or pistol with a barrel that is 30 cm = 12 inches then the stock must be non detachable. So a revolver carbine can be approved as long as it is permanently changed with some kind of stock that cannot be removed in the field.
Although Greenland is in some way a part of Denmark, they have their own gun an hunting laws. You may most likely get permission to use a revolver on the Musk ox. If your Contender is 24" overall then at least according to Danish law it will be legal. Danish laws for hunting class 1 game i.e. Red deer , Fallow deer or anything bigger than roe deer must produce at least 2000 Joule (1475 ft/lb) at 100 m , with a minimum bullet diameter of 6 mm (.243 ). Its then up to the "operator" to figure out if his reloaded ammunition will produce the needed power. Factory ammo normally has the power level in joule, printed on the box. In Denmark only ammunition with a max content of 2 % lead is allowed, don`t know about Greenland, but i am quite sure lead is allowed. There are several outfitters in Greenland that do Musk Ox hunts, they will know if your favourite gun is legal.
The lead bullet on the left in your pictures looks identical to the few bullet i have retrieved from African game, as in Eland, Gemsbuck and Giraffe as the largest. They lost a little weight and the sharp edges on the meplat was rounded off some with very little expansion. I actually saw that as an advantage as some of the other guys in this thread has mentioned. If a relatively heavy bullet keeps its meplat and most of its weight, what more could you ask for. I trust that you have a lot of experience and your findings are correct and i will not for a moment argue with you whether the AF is better than a correct hardened cast 350 gr. LFN LBT, because there are thousand of factors that determine how an animal behaves after a "perfect" shot, with the "perfect" bullet. I have been a commercial reloader for many years and i load my ammunition with what the customers want. If asked when lead was allowed, i would recommend the Swift AF. Now that lead is out and we cannot get Swift bullets at all, i tend to recommend Barnes TSX , TTSX or the new Sako Blade. I get a lot of feedback from my customers and the funny thing is that they all have very different opinions on how a specific bullets work. Some say that bullets brand X is useless and the animal ran 200 Yards with at perfect shot and some say that the same bullet killed like lightning but destroyed so much meat that they will never use it again. All with the same bullet and in the same caliber, loaded to the same velocity. What i am trying to say is, that it takes many thousands of real hunting situations before statistics can clearly define which bullet at what speed is the very best.
I would love to try the Swift AF, but i just cant get it. My lead bullet have never disappointed me, but i have on the other hand never shot a buffalo, so i cant say how they will behave on such a beast. In the 460 XVR i will not go for max velocity, maybe a bit over.454 Casull , but rather go a bit heavy.
@michael458
I already have some Peregrine 250 grain expanding copper bullets waiting for me in RSA, together with some Barnes 325 gr. Buster and Barnes 250 gr. XPB that a friendly american guy handed over to my PH in RSA. I will also take some of my home cast bullets along for testing. The Dios Y El Rey Hunting Outfitters & Equipment, seems to be closed for now, but i will try them later. Thanks for the tip. I am a bit pessimistic about getting any US made components in RSA for quite some time, as everyone (gunshops) i have talked to say they just cant get what they want, probably due to all the trouble around the world. No primers no powder no cases to be found right now. I was lucky to secure what i needed about 6 months ago. It took a lot of searching on the internet for available component, most of it was delivered to my PHs local gunshop by courier, from all over the country. Next April i will hopefully put it all together on the reloading equipment, that i set up on the hunting Lodge a year ago.
I will give Dawid a call.
I am now in contact with a Danish bullet manufacturer, who can make me a solid copper bullet with at large meplat and/or a hollow point that will expand some. I cannot test it at 460 velocity as this revolver is in RSA and will not be allowed in Denmark, but only in the Freedom Arms .454
They will most likely be quite expensive as i am probably the only individual here in Denmark that are interested in a revolver hunting bullet for big game.
Any ideas how this bullet should be designed ? I will probably do something similar in shape to a 380 gr. LBT LFN. In copper that will be around 320 gr. i guess.
Please show pictures of your favourite copper revolver bullet in .452. Hollow point or with a meplat.
Danish gun laws are strict and it is illegal to use revolvers and pistol for hunting. A rifle is defined as being at least 60 cm (24") in total length, with a minimum barrel length of 30 cm (12"). If you plan to put a stock on a revolver or pistol with a barrel that is 30 cm = 12 inches then the stock must be non detachable. So a revolver carbine can be approved as long as it is permanently changed with some kind of stock that cannot be removed in the field.
Although Greenland is in some way a part of Denmark, they have their own gun an hunting laws. You may most likely get permission to use a revolver on the Musk ox. If your Contender is 24" overall then at least according to Danish law it will be legal. Danish laws for hunting class 1 game i.e. Red deer , Fallow deer or anything bigger than roe deer must produce at least 2000 Joule (1475 ft/lb) at 100 m , with a minimum bullet diameter of 6 mm (.243 ). Its then up to the "operator" to figure out if his reloaded ammunition will produce the needed power. Factory ammo normally has the power level in joule, printed on the box. In Denmark only ammunition with a max content of 2 % lead is allowed, don`t know about Greenland, but i am quite sure lead is allowed. There are several outfitters in Greenland that do Musk Ox hunts, they will know if your favourite gun is legal.
The lead bullet on the left in your pictures looks identical to the few bullet i have retrieved from African game, as in Eland, Gemsbuck and Giraffe as the largest. They lost a little weight and the sharp edges on the meplat was rounded off some with very little expansion. I actually saw that as an advantage as some of the other guys in this thread has mentioned. If a relatively heavy bullet keeps its meplat and most of its weight, what more could you ask for. I trust that you have a lot of experience and your findings are correct and i will not for a moment argue with you whether the AF is better than a correct hardened cast 350 gr. LFN LBT, because there are thousand of factors that determine how an animal behaves after a "perfect" shot, with the "perfect" bullet. I have been a commercial reloader for many years and i load my ammunition with what the customers want. If asked when lead was allowed, i would recommend the Swift AF. Now that lead is out and we cannot get Swift bullets at all, i tend to recommend Barnes TSX , TTSX or the new Sako Blade. I get a lot of feedback from my customers and the funny thing is that they all have very different opinions on how a specific bullets work. Some say that bullets brand X is useless and the animal ran 200 Yards with at perfect shot and some say that the same bullet killed like lightning but destroyed so much meat that they will never use it again. All with the same bullet and in the same caliber, loaded to the same velocity. What i am trying to say is, that it takes many thousands of real hunting situations before statistics can clearly define which bullet at what speed is the very best.
I would love to try the Swift AF, but i just cant get it. My lead bullet have never disappointed me, but i have on the other hand never shot a buffalo, so i cant say how they will behave on such a beast. In the 460 XVR i will not go for max velocity, maybe a bit over.454 Casull , but rather go a bit heavy.
@michael458
I already have some Peregrine 250 grain expanding copper bullets waiting for me in RSA, together with some Barnes 325 gr. Buster and Barnes 250 gr. XPB that a friendly american guy handed over to my PH in RSA. I will also take some of my home cast bullets along for testing. The Dios Y El Rey Hunting Outfitters & Equipment, seems to be closed for now, but i will try them later. Thanks for the tip. I am a bit pessimistic about getting any US made components in RSA for quite some time, as everyone (gunshops) i have talked to say they just cant get what they want, probably due to all the trouble around the world. No primers no powder no cases to be found right now. I was lucky to secure what i needed about 6 months ago. It took a lot of searching on the internet for available component, most of it was delivered to my PHs local gunshop by courier, from all over the country. Next April i will hopefully put it all together on the reloading equipment, that i set up on the hunting Lodge a year ago.
I will give Dawid a call.
I am now in contact with a Danish bullet manufacturer, who can make me a solid copper bullet with at large meplat and/or a hollow point that will expand some. I cannot test it at 460 velocity as this revolver is in RSA and will not be allowed in Denmark, but only in the Freedom Arms .454
They will most likely be quite expensive as i am probably the only individual here in Denmark that are interested in a revolver hunting bullet for big game.
Any ideas how this bullet should be designed ? I will probably do something similar in shape to a 380 gr. LBT LFN. In copper that will be around 320 gr. i guess.
Please show pictures of your favourite copper revolver bullet in .452. Hollow point or with a meplat.
