450 Rigby vs 458 Lott

[Quaticman]

Now we going to hunt them with Phantom cartridges.....

With reliable rifles and the correct bullet they are not that difficult to stop.

The .500 Rigby exists. It is a necked up .450 Rigby. Do your homework before you make stupid comments which make you sound like a novice.

 

[Tanks]

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I know the Rigby can be loaded hotter than the Lott, but I'm only wanting around 2200fps with a 500 grain bullet.
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Thoughts?

How about a .450 NE? It is close enough to your requirements.

 

[Beck]

I own a Sako Brown Bear in .450 Rigby. It's a beautiful gun, very accurate, and easy to shoot for such a big cartridge. It's a short compact rifle which makes it easy to shoulder should the need arise. I killed a 40" buffalo at 110 yards with this gun, one shot. Couldn't speak any higher of that rifle. Don't know much about the Kimber .458 lott is a nice cartridge. Apparently you can shoot a regular .458 win mag out of a lott in a pinch which is a nice feature

 

[IvW]

The .500 Rigby exists. It is a necked up .450 Rigby. Do your homework before you make stupid comments which make you sound like a novice.

Stupid comments????

Please provide links to the existence of this cartridge......google and my knowledge seems to be a bit behind the times.....

Necked up 450 Rigby that nobody knows about, has no track record, has no factory ammo or reloading components and is suggested for use in a foreign country(African country that is), oh my oh my......another know it all with no clue.....good luck....we are all gonna sell our 458 Lotts, 470 NE, 500 NE, 505 Gibbs, 500 Jeff and jump on this to avoid being novices making stupid comments.....

 

[BeeMaa]

The .500 Rigby exists. It is a necked up .450 Rigby. Do your homework before you make stupid comments which make you sound like a novice.

At the risk of being stupid...

Until a cartridge is standardized by SAAMI (US) or CIP (Europe) , it's a wildcat.
If there is a wildcat cartridge called the 500RIGBY...
It would only available to those with access to the dies and chamber reamer.
If it is a wildcat cartridge, maybe you could provide some information to us about it.

Calling other members "stupid" to prove your point, does exactly the opposite.
Providing some facts with a level of respect...will earn you respect.

 

[Beck]

Side note: The recoil on the .450 is about as much as I can tolerate. Granted I am the idiot who is shooting 500 grain Barnes TSX solids at 2400 fps. I get a little dumber every time I shoot that gun.

 

[TOBY458]

Side note: The recoil on the .450 is about as much as I can tolerate. Granted I am the idiot who is shooting 500 grain Barnes TSX solids at 2400 fps. I get a little dumber every time I shoot that gun.

Probably kills brain cells.

 

[Beck]

And loosens teeth!

Probably kills brain cells.

And Loosens teeth! lol

 

[Tanks]

Side note: The recoil on the .450 is about as much as I can tolerate. Granted I am the idiot who is shooting 500 grain Barnes TSX solids at 2400 fps. I get a little dumber every time I shoot that gun.

I think that has more to do with the fit of the gun than anything else. My .500 MDM elephant load is a 500 grain CEB solid at 2,350 out of a 20" barrel, and I don't have much of an issue.

 

[colorado]

The .500 Rigby exists. It is a necked up .450 Rigby. Do your homework before you make stupid comments which make you sound like a novice.

I've seen articles on the 500 Mbogo wildcat which is a 450 Rigby necked up to .510 caliber. Has Rigby started making cartridges and rifles for it and renamed it?

 

[fourfive8]

I would at least think about availability of ammo and brass?? The Lott may have a more recognizable name so that could have a bearing on future resale?? Both cartridges are fairly comparable balletically with a slight edge to the 450- but is it small and be be only academic. Pretty easy to get a 500 gr bullet to 2200 fps in the Lott without pressure issues. No problem shooting 458 WM in the Lott if needed. The Lott has a lot going for it- hah! no pun Bottom line either one... depends on personal preference. The rifle itself may have something to do with the decision also. I have owned a Sako but not a Kimber. I think the Kimber is closer to a Win 70 in design. But I don't really know what kind of trigger a Kimber has. And there seems to be a "love em or hate em" amongst shooters about both rifles/brands- so who knows? I like Winchester 70s so that may edge me toward the Kimber but not really sure. And of course just add the name "Creedmoor" or "Thor's Hammer" to whichever and feel all fuzzy and smug

 

[Forrest Halley]

You people can do what you want, but I'm not giving up my Lott. The creator may have been a goof ball, but the concept of dual ammunition sources is golden.

I am curious to see what a .500 Rigby looks like. Educate me on something I am unable to find on the interwebs. I am infinitely curious about the weird cartridges rich fools like to play with for the sake of being different. For me it doesn't pass the Midway USA, Natchez, or Graf test.

 

[fourfive8]

Reason? Hiding in plain sight I think. Most everything has been wildcatted. Me thinks the basic 416 Rigby parent has been wildcatted to most everything possible as well. I also suspect there may be a practical function or head spacing issue with a 500 Rigby wildcat. So even if designed and built as a functional cart for bolt action rifles, it would be an answer for a non-existent question- given the ballistically comparable and proven 500s already out there. .02 cents

 

[Tanks]

... I am infinitely curious about the weird cartridges rich fools like to play with for the sake of being different. ...

Well, here is a web site for the B&M cartridges some of us "rich fools" like to play with to satisfy your curiosity.

B & M Rifles and Cartridges - Home

B&M Rifles And Cartridges - Conway, SC B&M Rifles B&M Cartridges 500 MDM, 50 B&M, 458 B&M, 416 B&M, 9.3 B&M, 50 B&M AK, 50 B&M Alaskan 500 Caliber Rifles, .500 caliber, Michael McCourry

www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com

 

[colorado]

Back to the original question, if it were my choice I would go with the 450 Rigby. You can load it down to 458 velocities and not be near max, or load 550g Woodleighs to 2300 fps, approaching 500 Jeffery, 505 Gibbs power levels. Also the name is sexier lol

 

[michael458]

LOL........... Some things amaze me still..............

I have completed my work for the day, cruising around looking for anything interesting, and stumbled on this page, of this thread, and only because there was nothing else of any interest to even open up. I have not read the thread completely, and I only wish to comment on what seems to be some disdain, or even outright contempt for "WILDCAT" cartridges.

Do keep in mind, that many of your common cartridges you use today, started as "WILDCATS"...............

In addition, keep in mind, those that indulge in such matters are normally the ones who end up with the new discoveries that increase our own successes. Those who dare to look for that better mousetrap! Instead of just being satisfied with the status quo.

Fact is, at one point the 458 Lott was one of those "WILDCAT" cartridges itself. Another point of fact, when I started shooting the 458 Lott, there was no brass available, I had to make it from 375HH. Later I discovered 416 Remington was easier, and actually better brass for pressures and ballistics. Although nothing wrong at all with the 375HH/458 Lott brass, and in fact, I still have it in inventory today.

Later I used some of that same 375HH brass (I had 100s on top of 100s for making other cartridges) to make 416 Remington when it became short and not attainable for a couple of years. Also, made some 470 Capstick out of it too. Another "Wildcat" that I have was 358 STA, and of course you could make that out of 375HH as well, but easier just to neck up 8mm Remington if you could find any.

Seems funny to me that any disdain or contempt for "Wildcats", is spoken on a thread that 1/2 the subject is 458 Lott, a Wildcat from the early 1970s, and only commercialized in 2003 by Hornady.

BTW, the brass I made from 375HH and 416 Remington, is far far superior to that Hornady junk anyway.

Of course I hunted with it, in case you question, and with well over 35 Safaris in various African countries, never once has it been an issue. Can it be? Maybe. For the last 15 years or so I would have the barrels marked with the brass cases I would use, something like this 375HH/458........... And if it were to ever be an issue, its on the barrel, end of story. However, it has never been questioned or even looked at, long as the serial numbers on the firearm match the serial numbers on the permit.

Accept apologies for the hijack, in case I misinterpreted any comments or took any out of context. As stated, I only read the last few posts on this last page only......

 

[Professor Mawla]

Have you considered a .450 Dakota ?

 

[Forrest Halley]

Yes @Tanks I see your RUM based goodness. It's intriguing for sure.

And to @michael458 I realize that I am fond of a wildcat that got adopted by Hornady. Personally I only adopted it myself because the ability to use .458WM too was novel and it appeals to my inner .38/.357. I'm actually not fond of the thumping it gives me, but it's just so powerful that I can't seem to put it down. It's a rush for sure. I'm loading solids this fall for deep woods whitetail. In case I can't see small trees.

 

[michael458]

I'm loading solids this fall for deep woods whitetail. In case I can't see small trees.

Good Man! You never know when those pesky trees want to jump in front of your rifle, when you least expect. Armed properly, with 458 Lott or ANY 458 is just dandy, and loaded with properly designed solids, you are prepared for even larger diameter trees, should they prove to be a issue! HEH, and in my case, they normally jump right in the fray! With 458s and the right sort of solid, you can even do some brush clearing if need be.

 

[Foxi]

why so modest take both
If you would live in Africa take the Lott, try to get the Rigby in Arusha or Bulawayo...........
RSA is not a benchmark for Africa.
RSA is almost Europe with a predominantly black population.
The real Africa is over the border and pragmatism is called for.