.450/400 NE, .404 Jeffery, .416 Rigby/Remington

[Milehighshooter]

Even more to the point, another wildcatter took a blown out 375 and necked it to 416 (Charles haskins maybe?) And instead of adapting it directly Remington used a different parent case (splitting hairs here) and changed a few thousands of an inch of angle and/or length here and there and credited themselves ss the inventors of the 416.

 

[Milehighshooter]

Even the Ruger magnums aren't much different than the Newton cartridges invented 70 some odd years prior.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Even the Ruger magnums aren't much different than the Newton cartridges invented 70 some odd years prior.

I guess it all comes down (for me) to readily available and inexpensive BRASS and DIES. Bullets in the appropriate (common) calibers, powder and primers are universal. Even many rifles in the common calibers are universal, depending on the price and quality one wants to pay. But, they are available. Like the .416 Rigby for example. Twenty years ago (maybe less) in the U.S., it would have been difficult to find a reasonably priced rifle, ammunition or reloading components in this caliber. Now, the Rigby items are everywhere on line. It's easier (with more choices) to find .416 Rigby ammo on line than .375 or .416 Ruger! It's a bit more expensive, but not by a lot if one shops around.

 

[bruce moulds]

coelkhunter,
never quit.
the only stupid question is the one not asked.
we all had to and continue to learn this way, and it is fun and interesting.
bruce.

 

[CoElkHunter]

coelkhunter,
never quit.
the only stupid question is the one not asked.
we all had to and continue to learn this way, and it is fun and interesting.
bruce.

Bruce,
Your right on all of the above. But when I found this AH website a short while ago actually by chance, I really had not much knowledge of any rifle cartridge above my .338WM, and little exposure to DG rifles, calibers and cartridges. Well, except for my idiot hunting buddy and his son who both bought Marlin .45-70s, but haven't hunted with them yet. Anyway, through people like you here on AH, I've learned so much about the ALL the choices of rifles, calibers, cartridges and hunting prospects in Africa, Australia and other places around the world. I believe that MOST hunters in North America, have no clue about what hunting is like, could or might be in other places around the world. Most are focused on their annual deer, pronghorn or elk hunts. Thanks to you and others here on AH, one can experience the dream of that possibility!

 

[Fastrig]

Bruce,
Your right on all of the above. But when I found this AH website a short while ago actually by chance, I really had not much knowledge of any rifle cartridge above my .338WM, and little exposure to DG rifles, calibers and cartridges. Well, except for my idiot hunting buddy and his son who both bought Marlin .45-70s, but haven't hunted with them yet. Anyway, through people like you here on AH, I've learned so much about the ALL the choices of rifles, calibers, cartridges and hunting prospects in Africa, Australia and other places around the world. I believe that MOST hunters in North America, have no clue about what hunting is like, could or might be in other places around the world. Most are focused on their annual deer, pronghorn or elk hunts. Thanks to you and others here on AH, one can experience the dream of that possibility!

Well said...been reading this site daily and learn something every time...wealth of knowledge on here and very grateful to those that share it so freely.

 

[bruce moulds]

well deer, pronghorn and elk hunting is interesting too.

 

[8x68]

All depends on what your definition of "hunting" is, and the capabilities, or physical limitations of the hunter are. It's neat to watch shows that encapsulate the excitement of a DG hunt, or hike in the mountains for Tar, Ibex, or world class ram, but for me I get real emotional when I see a hunter young or old that has physical disabilities or medical challenges take an animal for the first time.

 

[CoElkHunter]

All depends on what your definition of "hunting" is, and the capabilities, or physical limitations of the hunter are. It's neat to watch shows that encapsulate the excitement of a DG hunt, or hike in the mountains for Tar, Ibex, or world class ram, but for me I get real emotional when I see a hunter young or old that has physical disabilities or medical challenges take an animal for the first time.

Yes, taking a young hunter hunting as I have in the past with my son and some of his friends IS the very best! I haven’t yet taken someone hunting who has a disability, but would love to! Dove hunting would be perfect as a start.

 

[Shawn.54]

I can say that taking a disabled kid hunting or fishing is a great thing. My oldest son’s girlfriend has a younger brother who was born without hip joints his legs are just held in place by ligaments and muscle at 12 years old he has had at least 10 major surgeries just to keep him some what moble and when he was diagnosed they figured he would be wheelchair bound by 6-7 years old. The only cure is to wait until he is done growing to give him a double hip replacement. His only saving grace right now is he is a extremely small for his age and he stays active. He has taken two white tail doe with me and is a joy to hunt with. I must say that one doe was shot with a .50 caliber flintlock while he was sitting on a downed log the gun went off and as the smoke cleared I watched as he slid slowly off the log backwards from the recoil. He was only 14”off the ground keep the rifle under control popping asking did I get it did I get it. I told him no I don’t think knowing that the deer was laying dead in it’s track out of his sight. Then I sent him to check the tracks. I don’t know which was more fun helping him or listening to him telling the story of falling off the log. Sharing a hunt with a kid or someone who is disabled is more fun than hunting myself anymore and I always volunteer to work with these hunters. I will say my success has went down but my enjoyment has increased greatly.
Shawn

 

[CoElkHunter]

I can say that taking a disabled kid hunting or fishing is a great thing. My oldest son’s girlfriend has a younger brother who was born without hip joints his legs are just held in place by ligaments and muscle at 12 years old he has had at least 10 major surgeries just to keep him some what moble and when he was diagnosed they figured he would be wheelchair bound by 6-7 years old. The only cure is to wait until he is done growing to give him a double hip replacement. His only saving grace right now is he is a extremely small for his age and he stays active. He has taken two white tail doe with me and is a joy to hunt with. I must say that one doe was shot with a .50 caliber flintlock while he was sitting on a downed log the gun went off and as the smoke cleared I watched as he slid slowly off the log backwards from the recoil. He was only 14”off the ground keep the rifle under control popping asking did I get it did I get it. I told him no I don’t think knowing that the deer was laying dead in it’s track out of his sight. Then I sent him to check the tracks. I don’t know which was more fun helping him or listening to him telling the story of falling off the log. Sharing a hunt with a kid or someone who is disabled is more fun than hunting myself anymore and I always volunteer to work with these hunters. I will say my success has went down but my enjoyment has increased greatly.
Shawn

AWESOME story! Thanks for sharing it! Yes, for those of us who may not have a disability, sometimes we forget how difficult it can be for the disabled to enjoy simple pastimes, i.e hunting for an example. We NEED to be reminded from time to time! Thanks again for this!

 

[Fastrig]

I can say that taking a disabled kid hunting or fishing is a great thing. My oldest son’s girlfriend has a younger brother who was born without hip joints his legs are just held in place by ligaments and muscle at 12 years old he has had at least 10 major surgeries just to keep him some what moble and when he was diagnosed they figured he would be wheelchair bound by 6-7 years old. The only cure is to wait until he is done growing to give him a double hip replacement. His only saving grace right now is he is a extremely small for his age and he stays active. He has taken two white tail doe with me and is a joy to hunt with. I must say that one doe was shot with a .50 caliber flintlock while he was sitting on a downed log the gun went off and as the smoke cleared I watched as he slid slowly off the log backwards from the recoil. He was only 14”off the ground keep the rifle under control popping asking did I get it did I get it. I told him no I don’t think knowing that the deer was laying dead in it’s track out of his sight. Then I sent him to check the tracks. I don’t know which was more fun helping him or listening to him telling the story of falling off the log. Sharing a hunt with a kid or someone who is disabled is more fun than hunting myself anymore and I always volunteer to work with these hunters. I will say my success has went down but my enjoyment has increased greatly.
Shawn

That is awesome!!

 

[Gsxrmike]

The .416 Ruger is probably a great buy and should certainly do a good job on any African game. My biggest concern is traveling to and within Africa with a rather uncommon caliber. If your ammo gets lost in route (sadly not an uncommon occurrence) you can buy replacement ammo in most cities if you are shooting .375 H&H or other common calibers. I’m not sure of your chances of finding .416 Ruger ammo.